Apps WorkOutDoors: New workout features

[kplunk]

Will do, but so far I’ve not found anything that is fit for purpose. Can‘t access anything useful via the Fitness app on a workout by workout basis. There might be an angle with exporting all data from the health app, but if that works not sure I want to do that each and every time just to strip out one/a few workouts each time.

Guess its back to manual data entering.

Ummm…. Just literally had thought which might be slightly better……Take a screenshot of the workout page. Open the image, highlight the data metrics, copy (relying on Apples OCR to convert) and then paste into something appropriate (perhaps straight into spreadsheet). First quick test pasting into Notes does seem to give some reasonably accurate text. Not the best/ideal workflow but may be better than manual.

[Edit: nah, thinking this is too clunky and too much tidying up of the data needed]



HNY.

I haven't been on for a while so have been reading some earlier questions. This is an iPhone Fitness/Health export app I read about on a Strava Forum. I've not tried it so cannot vouch for it but it may help.

‎Health Auto Export - JSON+CSV

‎TL;DR Health Auto Export is a universal app for iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, and Mac that automates health data exports. It securely syncs data over iCloud and doesn't collect or store personal information. The app offers widgets and allows you to export workouts and health data in CSV or JSON...

apps.apple.com

 

[j0hnmerrick]

Hello
When I do a split/interval workout with my aw's native app, I have a custom workout created in the Apple workout app.
But if I do a split/interval workout with a WOD, there's no custom workout on the fitness app.
Is this a limitation of the Apple api?

and congratulations again on the application.

 

[cfc]

Hello
When I do a split/interval workout with my aw's native app, I have a custom workout created in the Apple workout app.
But if I do a split/interval workout with a WOD, there's no custom workout on the fitness app.
Is this a limitation of the Apple api?

and congratulations again on the application.

Apple added intervals recently (watchOS 10) and I haven't revisited the WOD interval code since then so it doesn't yet store the interval data in their Health system. I will add that in the future but there are higher priorities at the moment. Sorry about that.

I plan to add schedule import / export via FIT files at some time and I will look at integrating with Apple's Health system at that time.

 

[kplunk]

That is good to hear! When people ask for the "remaining" metrics to work for a route then I usually suggest setting the fixed distance as a workaround. However to be honest I can't remember actually trying it myself, so I am glad that it was reasonably accurate for you.

If anyone else wants to try this then tap the circular icon with 3 dots that is shown to the right of the activity name. Then select "Fixed Length" in the menu that appears, and then "Set Distance". If you set the distance to the total distance of the selected route then you should see reasonable values in the "Distance Remaining" and "Time Remaining" metrics.

Note that this method does rely on you following the route exactly, whereas that won't be necessary when I have coded it properly.

As a matter of interest how is the 'time remaining' data field calculated? is it 'remaining distance' / 'current average pace' for the workout or is it calculated another way?

The other metric I've discovered and have been using as a hiking watch field is the 'distance +/- target pace' shown in meters as red or green. It's a useful visualisation when hiking between time critical points (like getting to a bothy in daylight). If anyone wants to use it set your target pace (say 3.5 mph) in the settings option then the data field will show you how many meters you are ahead or behind your schedule. If you are ahead it is shown green and if you're behind it's shown red. Very important to know when you need to get on with it!

 

[cfc]

As a matter of interest how is the 'time remaining' data field calculated? is it 'remaining distance' / 'current average pace' for the workout or is it calculated another way?

The other metric I've discovered and have been using as a hiking watch field is the 'distance +/- target pace' shown in meters as red or green. It's a useful visualisation when hiking between time critical points (like getting to a bothy in daylight). If anyone wants to use it set your target pace (say 3.5 mph) in the settings option then the data field will show you how many meters you are ahead or behind your schedule. If you are ahead it is shown green and if you're behind it's shown red. Very important to know when you need to get on with it!

Yes, the remaining time is calculated from the remaining distance and the average pace so far. When I have implemented the "remaining" metrics for routes then the remaining time will also take into account ascent/descent (although I haven't decided exactly how yet).

Glad that you like the target pace function. This will be promoted to the "..." menu in the next version, along with routes. So you will be able to start a workout by selecting a route or a target pace.

If you select target pace then you will be able to choose from simply entering either a pace or speed, or entering both a time and a distance (e.g. 45 minutes for 10k). There will also be an option to compare pace (and other metrics) against previous workouts. I have got a bit sidetracked by this and am currently making it a bit more functional than it probably needs to be...

 

[jon08]

WOD has been one of my favorite apps on AW/iPhone for years. It's been indispensable on my hiking trips first and foremost.

I regret to say that after 6 years of using AW & WOD, I finally caved in, bit the bullet and decided to get a Garmin Epix Pro 47 mm to replace my AW 7 45 mm. It's mostly due to battery life concerns for longer hikes + daily charging nuisance with faster battery degradation on AW. I also wanted something more robust (with Sapphire glass). (I could've gone with an AW Ultra but somehow I found it heavy and not much of a battery improvement + I'd probably still have to charge it every other day instead of every day for daily usage).

I would like to use this opportunity to say that while I really like the Epix Pro's form factor and battery life, WorkOutDoors is just so much better than Garmin's somewhat outdated-looking TopoActive maps. Garmin is not bad per se, but WOD's Thunderforest maps really offer better detail on the map than TopoActive, look more aesthetically pleasing to the eye in terms of both map and metrics presentation, plus you can see more at a glance from a lesser zoom than on Garmin. Also, although Garmin's 47 mm is a quite much bigger/bulkier watch, it actually seems to offer LESS screen real estate than my AW 45 mm due to thicker bezels, which is again a bit disappointing.

So once again, kudos to Ian for the amazing work on WorkOutDoors app, which in my opinion is the BEST outdoor watch app on any platform. I will really miss it. I wish I could get Thunderforest maps or some similar alternative on Garmin now instead of the default TopoActive maps. For example, I really miss now not being able to see Peak names with their elevation during hiking, which WOD so nicely displays. (Btw, if Apple somehow figure out the crappy battery issue and are able to improve it to 4-5 days, I'll most likely still be switching back to AW in the future).

PS.: I plan to do more testing and some side-by-side comparison of Garmin vs. AW hiking maps/data and will post here for anyone interested. For now, here's just a screenshot of post-workout (I "blurred out" some of the details for privacy reasons), where you can also see how WorkOutDoors' presentation of post-workout data + hiked route at a glance simply outshines Garmin Connect badly. It's not even close! Look at all the details you can see in WOD vs. Garmin Connect. (To see more in depth data in Garmin Connect you'd then need to tap on 'Stats'). Also, It's totally ridiculous to see that Garmin uses Apple/Google maps to display your post-workout route when they could just use Mapbox or any other render of OpenStreetMap, rather than crappy Google/Apple Maps (which are anything but Outdoor), for a much more detailed hiking data.

PSS.: Is there any way to export a workout from Garmin Connect into WorkOutDoors on iPhone? Would be really nice, since I have a collection of all my hikes up until now in WOD...and as mentioned above, the hiked route looks much better in WOD.

 

[testcard]

I bought an Ultra 2 a couple of weeks ago and tried out WOD for the first time. Previously I used my Garmin Instinct Solar for recording hikes. I've been gradually exporting all my hikes as GPX files from connect.garmin.com to my iMac, into iCloud Drive, and then navigating to the relevant file on my iPhone, importing into WOD and syncing with the app on my Ultra. Works flawlessly.

 

[cfc]

WOD has been one of my favorite apps on AW/iPhone for years. It's been indispensable on my hiking trips first and foremost.

I regret to say that after 6 years of using AW & WOD, I finally caved in, bit the bullet and decided to get a Garmin Epix Pro 47 mm to replace my AW 7 45 mm. It's mostly due to battery life concerns for longer hikes + daily charging nuisance with faster battery degradation on AW. I also wanted something more robust (with Sapphire glass). (I could've gone with an AW Ultra but somehow I found it heavy and not much of a battery improvement + I'd probably still have to charge it every other day instead of every day for daily usage).

I would like to use this opportunity to say that while I really like the Epix Pro's form factor and battery life, WorkOutDoors is just so much better than Garmin's somewhat outdated-looking TopoActive maps. Garmin is not bad per se, but WOD's Thunderforest maps really offer better detail on the map than TopoActive, look more aesthetically pleasing to the eye in terms of both map and metrics presentation, plus you can see more at a glance from a lesser zoom than on Garmin. Also, although Garmin's 47 mm is a quite much bigger/bulkier watch, it actually seems to offer LESS screen real estate than my AW 45 mm due to thicker bezels, which is again a bit disappointing.

So once again, kudos to Ian for the amazing work on WorkOutDoors app, which in my opinion is the BEST outdoor watch app on any platform. I will really miss it. I wish I could get Thunderforest maps or some similar alternative on Garmin now instead of the default TopoActive maps. For example, I really miss now not being able to see Peak names with their elevation during hiking, which WOD so nicely displays. (Btw, if Apple somehow figure out the crappy battery issue and are able to improve it to 4-5 days, I'll most likely still be switching back to AW in the future).

PS.: I plan to do more testing and some side-by-side comparison of Garmin vs. AW hiking maps/data and will post here for anyone interested. For now, here's just a screenshot of post-workout (I "blurred out" some of the details for privacy reasons), where you can also see how WorkOutDoors' presentation of post-workout data + hiked route at a glance simply outshines Garmin Connect badly. It's not even close! Look at all the details you can see in WOD vs. Garmin Connect. (To see more in depth data in Garmin Connect you'd then need to tap on 'Stats'). Also, It's totally ridiculous to see that Garmin uses Apple/Google maps to display your post-workout route when they could just use Mapbox or any other render of OpenStreetMap, rather than crappy Google/Apple Maps (which are anything but Outdoor), for a much more detailed hiking data.

PSS.: Is there any way to export a workout from Garmin Connect into WorkOutDoors on iPhone? Would be really nice, since I have a collection of all my hikes up until now in WOD...and as mentioned above, the hiked route looks much better in WOD.

Congrats on the new Epix Pro! It's a shame that you won't be able to use WOD any more, but many thanks for your kind words about it.

In terms of importing workouts into the app, that isn't possible. If I allowed that and there were problems then people would expect me to investigate problems with the app that generated the workout data, which I don't want to do. Sorry about that.

 

[vapilot]

I am

It's mostly due to battery life concerns for longer hikes + daily charging nuisance....

I started using WOD with my AW Ultra too. Eventually, I ended up with a Garmin because while the ultra was fine for a few days with no exercise, a workout or two makes it last one or two days. Now I usually workout with both because I love the features on each and neither is a complete solution.

 

[Bacasable]

You could set up an interval schedule with a repeat of fast/slow intervals with manual durations. Then when you change from ascending to descending (or vice versa) then you could start a new interval (maybe using the action button on the Ultra).

If you have separated a workout into fast and slow intervals then after the workout you can look at the averages for all fast intervals and the averages for all slow intervals by going to the iPhone app and changing Map to Intervals. At the bottom of the screen will be two lines showing the totals/averages for Fast and Slow.

http://www.workoutdoors.net/Intervals.html

Hi CFC this Sunday I try your advice about to tack trails intervals.

Thank you for all it works great.

One thing I don’t understand is if i don’t set 1000 repeat for interval « ascending/descending », the. After the only one repeat I get black screen for new interval.
Doesn’t matter because I set 1000 repeat.

 

[Bacasable]

Something odd you maybe already know about, the symbol « ” » is not really understand in the app.

What to do about it ?

 

[estesbubba]

I regret to say that after 6 years of using AW & WOD, I finally caved in, bit the bullet and decided to get a Garmin Epix Pro 47 mm to replace my AW 7 45 mm. It's mostly due to battery life concerns for longer hikes + daily charging nuisance with faster battery degradation on AW. I also wanted something more robust (with Sapphire glass). (I could've gone with an AW Ultra but somehow I found it heavy and not much of a battery improvement + I'd probably still have to charge it every other day instead of every day for daily usage).

I went from a AW7 to the Ultra 2 and also noticed it felt heavy but after a few days felt totally normal. The battery life is way better than the AW7. Sleeping with the AW7 my battery would be ~80% in the morning and with the Ultra 2 it's ~95%.

 

[Dovales]

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Something odd you maybe already know about, the symbol « ” » is not really understand in the app.

What to do about it ?

I also have this "problem" here. I have experience this for a long time.

 

[cfc]

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Something odd you maybe already know about, the symbol « ” » is not really understand in the app.

What to do about it ?

Yes, some characters do appear strangely at times. Sorry about that. Fixing it is on my to-do list so I will get around to it one day.

 

[Bacasable]

Yes, some characters do appear strangely at times. Sorry about that. Fixing it is on my to-do list so I will get around to it one day.

It’s all what I wanted to heard, thank you

 

[dynamike]

I accidentally deleted a workout (workout and data) in Apple fitness (as shown the in pic). The workout was logged via WOD and I still have it on WOD. But I cannot find a way to import it back to fitness, is there a way to do so?

 

[NME42]

I accidentally deleted a workout (workout and data) in Apple fitness (as shown the in pic). The workout was logged via WOD and I still have it on WOD. But I cannot find a way to import it back to fitness, is there a way to do so?

Don't know if there is a way only with WOD.
If you have either RunGap or HealthFit you could easily export from WOD to RunGap/HealthFit and then sync to Apple Health. Not sure if you can do that without a subscription in RunGap, but it is worth a try.

 

[cfc]

Don't know if there is a way only with WOD.
If you have either RunGap or HealthFit you could easily export from WOD to RunGap/HealthFit and then sync to Apple Health. Not sure if you can do that without a subscription in RunGap, but it is worth a try.

The app uses Apple’s workout system, which automatically creates the workout in Apple’s Health system as you perform it, so there is no way to send a workout from the app afterwards.

However you could export the workout from the app in a FIT file and then use a third-party app such as HealthFit to load that file into the Health system:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/healthfit/id1202650514?mt=8

 

[dynamike]

The app uses Apple’s workout system, which automatically creates the workout in Apple’s Health system as you perform it, so there is no way to send a workout from the app afterwards.

However you could export the workout from the app in a FIT file and then use a third-party app such as HealthFit to load that file into the Health system:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/healthfit/id1202650514?mt=8

Don't know if there is a way only with WOD.
If you have either RunGap or HealthFit you could easily export from WOD to RunGap/HealthFit and then sync to Apple Health. Not sure if you can do that without a subscription in RunGap, but it is worth a try.

Thanks both and great advise! Ended up working this out with rungap.

 

[Bacasable]

You could set up an interval schedule with a repeat of fast/slow intervals with manual durations. Then when you change from ascending to descending (or vice versa) then you could start a new interval (maybe using the action button on the Ultra).

If you have separated a workout into fast and slow intervals then after the workout you can look at the averages for all fast intervals and the averages for all slow intervals by going to the iPhone app and changing Map to Intervals. At the bottom of the screen will be two lines showing the totals/averages for Fast and Slow.

http://www.workoutdoors.net/Intervals.html

Why don’t get a screen on the watch with buttons to select the interval ?

 

[cfc]

Why don’t get a screen on the watch with buttons to select the interval ?

That is possible too. You can customise a screen with the New Interval button and tap that when you want to move to the next interval.

 

[javataco]

That is possible too. You can customise a screen with the New Interval button and tap that when you want to move to the next interval.

I never knew we could map a button on a screen - love the idea.

 

[Bacasable]

That is possible too. You can customise a screen with the New Interval button and tap that when you want to move to the next interval.

As far i understand « New interval » doesn’t mean to select between 2 or 3 type of interval, just pass to the next interval.

 

[cfc]

As far i understand « New interval » doesn’t mean to select between 2 or 3 type of interval, just pass to the next interval.

Sorry, I didn't realise that you literally meant selecting between several possible interval types. That is not possible. Interval schedules are created in advance; you can't effectively create them during a workout. Interesting idea though.

 

[myphotoyear]

Great app! Is it expected WorkOutDoors workouts don’t count for Apple Fitness awards and challenges?

This is for walking workouts which didn’t count for this months challenge, nor did they register for 7-workout week award, I had to revert to Apple Workout for them to count.