Apps WorkOutDoors: New workout features

[cfc]

Yes and no.

The sensor is connected with ANT+ to my Wahoo. But I connect to WOD first then I switch the Wahoo on.

But did works fine since the last few months. That was not the problem.

Have you tried rebooting the watch? Unpair first, then reboot and then re-pair.

If that doesn't help then try a short test workout (over 1 minute) where it fails to connect and then send the wkt file for that workout to info@workoutdoors.net and I will take a look. As usual, to do this tap the Export buttons 3 times quickly.

 

[atempone]

Hi Ian, is there any ability to export the summary workout data to a CSV file or similar? I’d like to drop each workout into a spreadsheet for later analysis. Don’t need the route data or anything like that, just those headline data points that are shown on the workout screen/tabs. Or is that data prepared on the fly each time you open the workout, and so never held as permanant data? TIA.

 

[cfc]

Hi Ian, is there any ability to export the summary workout data to a CSV file or similar? I’d like to drop each workout into a spreadsheet for later analysis. Don’t need the route data or anything like that, just those headline data points that are shown on the workout screen/tabs. Or is that data prepared on the fly each time you open the workout, and so never held as permanant data? TIA.

Sorry, that isn't possible. The ability to export summary data is only requested every year or so, and is therefore low on my priorities.

The headline metrics are available in Apple's Health system so you may find an app that can export summaries from there. Although I don't know of such an app so if you do find one then please let me know.

 

[atempone]

Sorry, that isn't possible. The ability to export summary data is only requested every year or so, and is therefore low on my priorities.

The headline metrics are available in Apple's Health system so you may find an app that can export summaries from there. Although I don't know of such an app so if you do find one then please let me know.

Will do, but so far I’ve not found anything that is fit for purpose. Can‘t access anything useful via the Fitness app on a workout by workout basis. There might be an angle with exporting all data from the health app, but if that works not sure I want to do that each and every time just to strip out one/a few workouts each time.

Guess its back to manual data entering.

Ummm…. Just literally had thought which might be slightly better……Take a screenshot of the workout page. Open the image, highlight the data metrics, copy (relying on Apples OCR to convert) and then paste into something appropriate (perhaps straight into spreadsheet). First quick test pasting into Notes does seem to give some reasonably accurate text. Not the best/ideal workflow but may be better than manual.

[Edit: nah, thinking this is too clunky and too much tidying up of the data needed]



HNY.

 

[cfc]

Will do, but so far I’ve not found anything that is fit for purpose. Can‘t access anything useful via the Fitness app on a workout by workout basis. There might be an angle with exporting all data from the health app, but if that works not sure I want to do that each and every time just to strip out one/a few workouts each time.

Guess its back to manual data entering.

Ummm…. Just literally had thought which might be slightly better……Take a screenshot of the workout page. Open the image, highlight the data metrics, copy (relying on Apples OCR to convert) and then paste into something appropriate (perhaps straight into spreadsheet). First quick test pasting into Notes does seem to give some reasonably accurate text. Not the best/ideal workflow but may be better than manual.

[Edit: nah, thinking this is too clunky and too much tidying up of the data needed]



HNY.

You may find that it is possible by using a third party system (e.g. Strava or one of their competitors). Maybe there is a way to export from one of them in a format that you can use.

 

[applefanboy21]

Are you using the latest version of watchOS (v10.2)? There were swimming distance issues with earlier versions of watchOS 10, which Apple fixed in 10.2.

Hi - Thanks for this. I have just checked and yes, I am on watchOS 10.2. I think it updated a couple of weeks ago.

 

[cfc]

Hi - Thanks for this. I have just checked and yes, I am on watchOS 10.2. I think it updated a couple of weeks ago.

In that case there probably isn't anything the app can do about it. WatchOS has always had a variable delay when reporting swimming laps and distances to third party apps and I have never worked out a way around it. Sorry about that. Usually waiting works but the time required varies a lot.

 

[longhilljohn]

Thanks for the reply. 251 pages - yes took a bit of time and had to break it into manageable chunks, 5 pages at a time. But to be honest way too many posts about where is AOD, and now navigation, but your repeated patience in reply comes through in spades. Sainthood there!!

No problem about an iPad version, I completely understand. If it is on the long term/never never list then that is good enough for me. I did have to laugh at myself even asking for it, given that the watch screen is even smaller than the iPhone.

For tired eyes--if I'm understanding your goal is identical iPad content to what the app currently offers on the iPhone-- have you considered mirroring your display? Broadcasting the display of your iPhone to your iPad may be an elegant solution, and is pretty easy once you know how to do it. You could theoretically even build an iOS shortcut/automation to do it automatically for you when you launch the WOD app on the phone but now we are getting beyond my skillset. Anyway, in case you aren't already aware of this feature, check out -

Use AirPlay to stream video or mirror the screen of your iPhone or iPad - Apple Support

Share what's on your device's screen to your Apple TV, AirPlay-compatible smart TV, or Mac.

support.apple.com

 

[Akrapovic]

Hi Ian, is there any ability to export the summary workout data to a CSV file or similar? I’d like to drop each workout into a spreadsheet for later analysis. Don’t need the route data or anything like that, just those headline data points that are shown on the workout screen/tabs. Or is that data prepared on the fly each time you open the workout, and so never held as permanant data? TIA.

‎Health Auto Export - JSON+CSV

‎TL;DR Health Auto Export is a universal app for iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, and Mac that automates health data exports. It securely syncs data over iCloud and doesn't collect or store personal information. The app offers widgets and allows you to export workouts and health data in CSV or JSON...

apps.apple.com

Will this do what you're after?

 

[atempone]

For tired eyes--if I'm understanding your goal is identical iPad content to what the app currently offers on the iPhone-- have you considered mirroring your display? Broadcasting the display of your iPhone to your iPad may be an elegant solution, and is pretty easy once you know how to do it. You could theoretically even build an iOS shortcut/automation to do it automatically for you when you launch the WOD app on the phone but now we are getting beyond my skillset. Anyway, in case you aren't already aware of this feature, check out -

Use AirPlay to stream video or mirror the screen of your iPhone or iPad - Apple Support

Share what's on your device's screen to your Apple TV, AirPlay-compatible smart TV, or Mac.

support.apple.com

Thanks but I don’t think it is possible to mirror an iPhone screen to an iPad but if you know the steps to achieve this with WOD i’d be all ears.

 

[atempone]

‎Health Auto Export - JSON+CSV

‎TL;DR Health Auto Export is a universal app for iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, and Mac that automates health data exports. It securely syncs data over iCloud and doesn't collect or store personal information. The app offers widgets and allows you to export workouts and health data in CSV or JSON...

apps.apple.com

Will this do what you're after?

Thanks - looks like it might have potential. Need to find a 7 day gap now to test the free version properly before committing

 

[atempone]

Thanks but I don’t think it is possible to mirror an iPhone screen to an iPad but if you know the steps to achieve this with WOD i’d be all ears.

However one can mirror an iphone to a Mac. I can work with that as likely only need on an ad hoc basis. Thanks for the mirroring suggestion - can’t believe I’d overlooked that.

 

[j0hnmerrick]

Hello and best wishes. Do you know if there are any issues with altitude gain (D+) in the latest version of watchOS? In my recent outings, the altitude gains recorded by the Apple Watch (D+ values) seem erratic (e.g., 400m according to the altimeter vs. 30m deducted - via GPS - by Strava or Runalyze). I thought it might be due to a sudden change in atmospheric pressure, but there was no thunderstorm during my run, just rain. Strange altitude readings usually occur when I'm running along the Loire River.

More generally, do you find the altimeter to be reliable during a run? In my area, it's flat, and the altitude gain recorded by the watch is often too high.

 

[cfc]

Hello and best wishes. Do you know if there are any issues with altitude gain (D+) in the latest version of watchOS? In my recent outings, the altitude gains recorded by the Apple Watch (D+ values) seem erratic (e.g., 400m according to the altimeter vs. 30m deducted - via GPS - by Strava or Runalyze). I thought it might be due to a sudden change in atmospheric pressure, but there was no thunderstorm during my run, just rain. Strange altitude readings usually occur when I'm running along the Loire River.

More generally, do you find the altimeter to be reliable during a run? In my area, it's flat, and the altitude gain recorded by the watch is often too high.

Are you using the watchOS always on altimeter (Settings / Other Settings)? That can do strange things, which is why it is not the default. Otherwise the app uses the barometer for relative altitude.

 

[j0hnmerrick]

Yes, I have activated the 'always-on' option. Do I understand correctly that you do not recommend using it?

 

[cfc]

Yes, I have activated the 'always-on' option. Do I understand correctly that you do not recommend using it?

It seems erratic for some people, which is why it is not the default. My guess is that Apple prioritise an accurate absolute elevation over accurate ascent/descent values. They seem to recalibrate occasionally in order to get an accurate absolute elevation, but this recalibration increases the ascent and descent numbers. This is just a guess though.

I have left it in as an option in case Apple change it in the future. However I don't recommend using it unless necessary, which is mentioned in the iPhone app settings, but not the watch app settings, so I probably need to mention it there too.

When the always on altimeter is disabled then the app uses the barometer for relative elevation and the GPS for a base absolute elevation. This base is set at the start, so make sure that you wait for a good GPS signal before starting if you want accurate absolute elevations. To do this wait for 5 blue bars in the top left of the screen.

If you don't get a good GPS at the start and the absolute elevations look off during a workout, then wait for a good GPS signal and then pause and resume. This makes the app re-calibrate by setting the base elevation to the GPS elevation at the time of resuming.

 

[longhilljohn]

However one can mirror an iphone to a Mac. I can work with that as likely only need on an ad hoc basis. Thanks for the mirroring suggestion - can’t believe I’d overlooked that.

Yeah maybe not iPhone to iPad, but you've got the "big picture" (haha). Lots of great bigger screen options. Suppose you could even mirror to a smartTV (some need an AppleTV, some have built in airplay support... i think!). -Cheers

 

[keeper]

Has WOD taken over my watch?
Ive noticed if I use the Apple open walk next time I check my watch WOD is running and records the walk?
I only use WOD for tracking and uploading rides to Strava, all walks I just want to use the default Apple app.

Any ideas?

 

[testcard]

Possibly this:
iPhone Settings > Health > Data Access & Devices > WorkOutDoors and see what WOD can read.

 

[cfc]

Has WOD taken over my watch?
Ive noticed if I use the Apple open walk next time I check my watch WOD is running and records the walk?
I only use WOD for tracking and uploading rides to Strava, all walks I just want to use the default Apple app.

Any ideas?

I have never heard of that before. Third party apps like WOD can't start themselves. Have you maybe got an Ultra with the action button configured to start WOD? Maybe you accidentally pressed the action button?

 

[keeper]

I have never heard of that before. Third party apps like WOD can't start themselves. Have you maybe got an Ultra with the action button configured to start WOD? Maybe you accidentally pressed the action button?

No i’ve seen it a few times, I’ll create a new face and see if it still happens, but today i started the apple app which counted down and off we went..l

 

[cfc]

No i’ve seen it a few times, I’ll create a new face and see if it still happens, but today i started the apple app which counted down and off we went..l

So you started a walk in Apple's app and saw it countdown, but somehow when you looked later WOD was running a walk workout? I have no idea how that could happen. Sorry.

Maybe reboot the watch. That often fixes strange problems, although that one is a really strange problem!

 

[Cave Dweller]

The screen being active for 21% is very high and definitely explains the battery usage, especially if you only started with 65% battery and finished with about 10%. I know that kayakers who don't disable raise to wake generally only get a couple of hours with pre-Ultra watches, which is consistent with what you got with 55% of an Ultra charge.

Raise to wake and touching the screen will still activate it, even if water lock is enabled. Disabling raise to wake should help if it is the motion that is causing the screen activation, but if it is a wet sleeve constantly tapping the screen then I don't know how to avoid that. As far as I can remember no-one has ever mentioned that before from a battery point of view. I suspect it is one of those issues that are hard to get around with a touch screen watch.

Turns out that it’s nothing too sinister. I got a new pair of cycling gloves and they come up further and are nudging the Digital Crown. I would be nice if I could do without gloves, but they are required for miserable and wet old Blighty. Simple solution is strap the watch higher on the wrist or change the orientation setting and strap it on upside down.

 

[cfc]

Turns out that it’s nothing too sinister. I got a new pair of cycling gloves and they come up further and are nudging the Digital Crown. I would be nice if I could do without gloves, but they are required for miserable and wet old Blighty. Simple solution is strap the watch higher on the wrist or change the orientation setting and strap it on upside down.

That would explain it. I usually fold the back of my glove in on itself to avoid it rubbing against the watch, but that is only possible with some gloves.

 

[mws1986]

This is more of a request for a feature to maybe add one day (or maybe it already is and I missed it). Is there a way to handle indoor treadmill runs the same way Coros does? Coros Treadmill

The two main things i would like to see is:

Manual Speed​

Select this option if using a treadmill. You will need to manually adjust the speed on the watch each time you adjust the speed on the treadmill.

Indoor Run distance and pace calibration​

COROS watches support calibration on Indoor Run workouts. The calibration range is up to +/ - 25% of the distance recorded by the watch.