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Apps WorkOutDoors: New workout features
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Hello, would you have any tips about reducing the oscillation of the pace measurement for running?
I observe a lot of oscillations when analysing the pace graph from my activities on intervals.icu. Below is an example of an interval session.
It is less visible on the Worktoutdoors app, though the curve looks too "curvy" (in theory it should have more of a trapezoidal profile like the power curve above).
Here is my setup:
-Apple Watch Ultra 2
-Activity uploaded to Strava and Strava synced to intervals.icu
-Pace & Distance Settings:
I was thinking of lowering of disabling smoothing completely, but any suggestions are welcome.
I observe a lot of oscillations when analysing the pace graph from my activities on intervals.icu. Below is an example of an interval session.
It is less visible on the Worktoutdoors app, though the curve looks too "curvy" (in theory it should have more of a trapezoidal profile like the power curve above).
Here is my setup:
-Apple Watch Ultra 2
-Activity uploaded to Strava and Strava synced to intervals.icu
-Pace & Distance Settings:
I was thinking of lowering of disabling smoothing completely, but any suggestions are welcome.
The smoothing only affects the current pace, whereas the graphs use the distance and time. There isn't a way to control the smoothing of the pace generated from those values.
Smoothing for pace graphs is subjective. The smaller the smoothing window then the more susceptible it is to rogue values, but the more responsive it is to changes in pace. So the window generally needs to be smaller when using alternating fast/slow intervals than for 'normal' workouts. WorkOutDoors uses a compromise but may try to do something more clever in the future if enough people request it.
However this doesn't affect how it looks in other systems. How are you exporting to intervals.icu? Generally a FIT file from the app is best. If you go via Apple's Health system then the distances only update when Apple sends them to the app, which is every few seconds rather than every second. So the distance could stay the same for a couple of seconds and then suddenly jump. intervals.icu may not be smoothing that out like WorkOutDoors does.
If you export a FIT file from WorkOutDoors then it interpolates the distances between the updates from Apple, so it doesn't show the same distance from one second to the next and then jump suddenly.
Another option is to switch WorkOutDoors to use GPS for distance, because the GPS system updates every second. This won't make a difference in the current version of the app because Apple's workout system will still store its own distances every few seconds. However the next version of the app will overwrite Apple's distances with the GPS distances and therefore will be smoother for apps that read the data from the Health system.
If you would like to try the beta for the next version with the change then please contact me at info@workoutdoors.net
I hope that helps. Apologies for the excessive detail!
Once every few occasions, I get kicked off "map-only" mode back to main menu and my route gets de-loaded, creating the need to reload and set up the route again.
Not sure how or why this happens.
(Sometimes I have screen lock enabled, other times I don't; it seems to happen regardless.)
Does this happen to anyone else?
Not sure how or why this happens.
(Sometimes I have screen lock enabled, other times I don't; it seems to happen regardless.)
Does this happen to anyone else?
Hi. This may have been answered already, but I cannot find it.
Downhill skiing - how do I only track the downhill and not the lift km? I tracked the skiing using Workoutdoors, someone else did it track with the Apple app and we have a difference of 20km because of the ski lifts.
I do have the ski lift detection enabled.
Anything else I can change?
Thanks!
Downhill skiing - how do I only track the downhill and not the lift km? I tracked the skiing using Workoutdoors, someone else did it track with the Apple app and we have a difference of 20km because of the ski lifts.
I do have the ski lift detection enabled.
Anything else I can change?
Thanks!
Do you use any other apps whilst using WorkOutDoors in map-only mode? WatchOS will sometimes kill off an app to make room for other apps (or sometimes even for a notification). If an app is running a workout session then it has priority and is therefore usually protected from being killed off, but WOD doesn't run a workout when in map-only mode.
So if you are running other apps (especially a workout app) and they use a large amount of resources then watchOS may kill off WorkOutDoors if it is in map-only mode.
The app shows the total distance but if you change Map to Intervals in the iPhone app then the app shows the details of each run, along with a totals line at the bottom.
Something Garmin just released that would be great to add is a cut off time for waypoints. Could be very useful for races.
Hi, sad news today…
Tried to start WOD on my AW Ultra 2 with 26.4 beta 2 and… NO WAY!
It crashed at start, I’ve rebooted the watch and… NO WAY!
Are you working on it? Thanks from a WOD beta tester!
Tried to start WOD on my AW Ultra 2 with 26.4 beta 2 and… NO WAY!
It crashed at start, I’ve rebooted the watch and… NO WAY!
Are you working on it? Thanks from a WOD beta tester!
Another beta tester mentioned this. He fixed it by going back to the release version and then back to the beta.
In both cases just install over the previous version. Don't uninstall it first.
Something similar happened for a couple of beta testers with the previous watchOS update so I am hoping it is TestFlight related rather than an issue with the WOD beta.
The app crashed yesterday during a hike. I was following an route. Fortunately the file was completely recovered.
If that would happen to me during a running competition I would be not so amused. How can I help to identify the error?
If that would happen to me during a running competition I would be not so amused. How can I help to identify the error?
The only known crash is if you double tap your fingers. Apple changed something which caused that to crash recently. Would that explain it?
I fixed it in the code a while ago (by changing the size of the hidden window that intercepted it) so it should be ok in the next version.
Does WOD handle track mode? I did my first track workout with WOD today since track mode was implemented by Apple.
There was no indication that a track was detected, and no possibility to chose lane. However the resulting GPS track appears to follow the track suspiciously close for it to be GPS only. Is there something happening behind the scenes here or is that just wishful thinking?
There was no indication that a track was detected, and no possibility to chose lane. However the resulting GPS track appears to follow the track suspiciously close for it to be GPS only. Is there something happening behind the scenes here or is that just wishful thinking?
As far as I know Apple don't make any aspect of track mode available to third party apps.
However I have also noticed that the GPS is particularly good on oval tracks, both visually and in terms of the accuracy reported by watchOS to the app. So my guess is that Apple is using its track database behind the scenes to improve GPS accuracy when it detects that you are running on a track.
Philoustetou
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Same issue for me. Resolved by uninstall from my awu2 and reinstall from the iPhone (you need to reinstall settings, screens and profiles)
Sorry you needed to reinstall settings. As I mentioned in my reply if you had installed the release version over the beta (without uninstalling anything) and then installed the beta again then you wouldn't have needed to resend the settings from the phone.
I think it is a TestFlight issue because there are no crash logs when the app fails to start. But I am slightly nervous and won't be releasing that beta to the App Store! There is a new beta incoming which has been built with the latest development environment.
As an aside the reason for the long gap between betas is because I have done a lot of work on activity types. This work won't be in the next version but I wanted to make sure that the next version will be forwards compatible with that following version. This is because Apple often seem to install only the iPhone app and not the watch app when you update so I wanted the next watch app to be compatible with the following iPhone app.
The activity type improvements include many new types which map to Apple's types (e.g. MTB, trail running, dog walk etc), which take the total to over 100 activity types. It will also include the ability to create your own activity types that map to Apple's types and can have their own settings.
That's great news about the improvement to activity types. Does this mean that multiple WOD activity types (with their own alerts / screens) can be mapped to the same Apple activity type? I currently manually change alerts depending on the type of run I'm doing (easy vs workout vs race) so will be helpful if could just select an activity type and have these settings but they still save as an outdoor run.
BrianGGG
macrumors member
Even stranger, i did not yet upgrade to 26.4 but WOD decided it would not start for me yesterday. I uninstalled and reinstalled on watch and fixed the problems.
As has happened before in my WOD history, i could not recover my settings and i have had to reset them manually. Setting my alerts back is particularly painful.
wOD is possibly my most useful app in history, but i have lost settings before and this is my least favorite feature.
Storing settings in iCloud would be a welcome enhancement if that ever got to the top of release candidates.
If you reinstall the watch app or unpair the watch from the iPhone then watchOS does not preserve the app's data for some reason. I don't know why because it wouldn't be difficult to provide an option to store it in iOS.
However you can send the settings from the WorkOutDoors phone app to the watch. To do this go to the Settings tab and tap Storage & Transfer. Then tap Send Current Watch Settings or Send Yesterday's Watch Settings.
You can also send Screens and Interval Schedules from that screen. Routes and Workouts need to be sent individually because they can be very large.
BrianGGG
macrumors member
I did make use of these features. Some helped some did not. For example I did not have to worry about my Screens or some options.
However, even after send current/yesterday I had to re-establish my alerts and the list of workout types on the main screen.
I just don’t understand … isn’t this what iCloud is perfect for ?
iCloud is on my to-do list but not high on the list. Sorry. It is popular when new watches are released but otherwise I get far more requests for custom activity types, which is what I am working on now, and improved interval schedules, which are next on my to-do list. Mirroring live data to the iPhone screen is also much more popular.
I will get around to it one day, but I am partially holding fire because it is very fiddly to implement on the watch because "iCloud Drive" is not yet available on watchOS:
Can iCloud Drive be used on watchOS?
When I try to use FileManager.default.ubiquityIdentityToken on watchOS it always returns nil. This works just fine on iOS and macOS and it is the recommended way to check whether iCloud Drive is
iCloud Drive allows apps to have a directory in the app that is replicated across all devices using that app. Without it the app needs to do a lot of fiddly manual synchronisation. And I really don't want to do that when Apple might make iCloud Drive available on watchOS in the future.
I am not optimistic that they will add iCloud Drive, but I do tend to slightly deprioritise features that Apple may make easier to implement in the future. For example translation into other languages is another feature that is requested far more than iCloud support but which I am holding fire on for several reasons, one of which is that Apple may make it much easier in the future.
The live translation feature in the AirPods Pro 3 makes me hope that some sort of auto-translate may come to apps in the future. It may not be completely automatic but there is a good chance that multi-language support could become a lot easier to implement.
So I don't want to spend a lot of time on iCloud support and language translation now when there are more requested features which are less likely to become easier to implement in the future.
BrianGGG
macrumors member
iCloud is on my to-do list but not high on the list. Sorry. It is popular when new watches are released but otherwise I get far more requests for custom activity types, which is what I am working on now, and improved interval schedules, which are next on my to-do list. Mirroring live data to the iPhone screen is also much more popular.
I will get around to it one day, but I am partially holding fire because it is very fiddly to implement on the watch because "iCloud Drive" is not yet available on watchOS:
Can iCloud Drive be used on watchOS?
When I try to use FileManager.default.ubiquityIdentityToken on watchOS it always returns nil. This works just fine on iOS and macOS and it is the recommended way to check whether iCloud Drive isstackoverflow.com
iCloud Drive allows apps to have a directory in the app that is replicated across all devices using that app. Without it the app needs to do a lot of fiddly manual synchronisation. And I really don't want to do that when Apple might make iCloud Drive available on watchOS in the future.
I am not optimistic that they will add iCloud Drive, but I do tend to slightly deprioritise features that Apple may make easier to implement in the future. For example translation into other languages is another feature that is requested far more than iCloud support but which I am holding fire on for several reasons, one of which is that Apple may make it much easier in the future.
The live translation feature in the AirPods Pro 3 makes me hope that some sort of auto-translate may come to apps in the future. It may not be completely automatic but there is a good chance that multi-language support could become a lot easier to implement.
So I don't want to spend a lot of time on iCloud support and language translation now when there are more requested features which are less likely to become easier to implement in the future.
I can't argue with your logic here. I only wish for this feature once or twice per year. Improving the app is rightly much more popular.
Hi - new user here. I am a member of CityStrides community, where people try to run as many streets as possible in a certain city or geographical area. Which means many of my routes try to cover as many streets as possible and get quite complicated - out-and-backs and loopbacks are common. Navigation on such routes is always a bit of an issue. I used to just check a map on my phone from time to time but recently tried WayOutDoors and its turn-by-turn navigation with audio alerts is a big improvement. But one problem that I noticed is waypoint alerts on loopback routes. If my route goes through the same street twice, and there is a turn I want to take the second time but not the first time, the alert is triggered both times. My guess is it is triggered based on proximity and not on the waypoint order. Not a huge problem but it means that I cannot rely on audio alerts 100% and occasionally have to check the map, which is not that convenient when you are running. Is there a way around this - either through app settings or some other clever solution?