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cfc

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I have a question for CFC, on your phone when you are picking screens (for walking) and one of the layouts is Graphs and I choose trail map..I do understand it creates a plot of my position as I am walking and if I want to follow the same path back I can see it on the display but what if I deliberately to another path back will I get some sort of warning that I am off course? I do know that Garmin has such a feature.....thanks

The trail map is simply a plot of your route that can be shown as a metric in a cell. It is useful to see an overview of where you have been but is pretty small and so not great for following your route back.

For this it is better to use the proper map, which shows breadcrumbs of the whole trail, making it easy to follow back. Even if you are displaying a screen format without a map then you can always double tap the screen to show the full screen map (unless you have configured double tap to do a different operation).

The off course warning currently only works for GPX routes. So if you load a GPX route into the app then the app will warn you if you deviate from the route (and when you return to it). No-one has asked for an off-route warning where the current workout trail is the route, but I can see how it would be useful. If more people are interested then I may add it.

As @rbart says it is possible at the moment, although you would need to end the workout when you get to half way; then create a GPX route from that workout; and then use that route during a new workout for the trip back.
 

FunkyMagicUK

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You COULD theoretically, if you’re not that bothered about losing a small amount of time faffing around, and if you have your phone with you....run to your extreme point, end the activity, export the GPX, import it as a route, then set it as current route, start a new activity and run back along it with the “off route” alarm enabled!?

Reckon with a bit of practice you could rattle through that whole process in about 39 seconds?

Youd end up with two activities, but you could merge them in Strava easily enough if you wanted some kind of single record of your activity?
 
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Since I had to restore my phone from a backup this past Sunday the breadcrumbs on the watch are black instead of blue. I can't find a setting to change it back. It doesn't look good.

Is this a bug, or was there an update that changed this?
 

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Since I had to restore my phone from a backup this past Sunday the breadcrumbs on the watch are black instead of blue. I can't find a setting to change it back. It doesn't look good.

Is this a bug, or was there an update that changed this?

Sorry, it is a bug in watchOS 6 that happens very rarely. I have tried a few ways to work around it but haven't found one that works yet.

If you restart the app then it should go away. To do this press the side button until the power off menu appears and then press the crown until the app disappears. Note that the big red X that Apple show to allow an app to be removed from the dock does not kill the app off.

If that doesn't work then restart the watch, which will definitely fix it.
 

user1234

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Sorry, it is a bug in watchOS 6 that happens very rarely. I have tried a few ways to work around it but haven't found one that works yet.

If you restart the app then it should go away. To do this press the side button until the power off menu appears and then press the crown until the app disappears. Note that the big red X that Apple show to allow an app to be removed from the dock does not kill the app off.

If that doesn't work then restart the watch, which will definitely fix it.

That did the trick! ??
 
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diba

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The fact that the battery went from about 80% down to 10% and shutdown within minutes is a separate issue non related.
But my question is about a way to recover the file that was written while I was running. I'm used to Garmin or other electronic device, after you reboot, the activity is just right there and you can just resume, or the file is in the list of activity and you can just find it.
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Had this issue twice, once some months ago, and just yesterday. Any idea why this happens? Placing the watch on the puck loaded in 20 min up to 70%. This did not change after taking from the puck for hours first time. Yesterday same, restarted after 2 hrs and ended up with 80% and regular behaviour.
 

bp328i

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Very new to the app and loving it so far, I have barley scratched the surface of the options. I'm curious about one thing, with no place to enter your weight how does the app determine calories?

Edit: after searching and the post below I see it's being pulled from health. Just for some reason on a run I do almost nightly my calorie count was much lower using WOD than when I use other apps, my Fitbit or even my Galaxy Watch.
 
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cfc

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Very new to the app and loving it so far, I have barley scratched the surface of the options. I'm curious about one thing, with no place to enter your weight how does the app determine calories?

Edit: after searching and the post below I see it's being pulled from health. Just for some reason on a run I do almost nightly my calorie count was much lower using WOD than when I use other apps, my Fitbit or even my Galaxy Watch.

As @diba says the app uses the calorie estimates provided by Apple's Health system. These are calculated from the heart rate so please check what your heart rate looked like on that run. It could be there was an issue with the heart rate sensor that indirectly affected calories as well.
 

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Are any other workoutdoor users uploading their runs to Strava? I'm seeing really spiky pace and cadence displayed in Strava and was wondering if it was just me or not?

This is from a run using WOD last night

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This is a run from the apple app on Sunday

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rbart

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Apple app produces smoother results that look cleaner, WOD is more "raw".
But at the end, the average speed, distance ... is similar
 

NME42

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Which app do you use for uploading your Apple workouts to Strava?

I just uploaded a run from Apple workouts to runalyze using RunGap and by far it does not look as smooth as your workout. A lot spikier I would say which I think is normal.
 

NME42

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Just checked some runs on Strava and the charts there look all very smooth. As I am currently in the process of leaving Strava, I only use it as a secondary data store that is synced automatically from Garmin Connect which I am also in the process of leaving ;-).

My data source is always Apple Health and I supply runalyze and Garmin Connect with RunGap from there. So my theory that Apple Health is doing the smoothing is not valid.

This is my run from today in runalyze (the wild fluctuations are auto pauses):
https://runalyze.com/shared/7d8uj
 

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Interesting, and were those smooth runs done with WOD?

With WOD and Apple Workouts. And just checked: did some runs with iSmoothRun and Strava smoothes them also.

But again: also synced from Apple Health via RunGap. Do not know who does what kind of smoothing or so in between. Could be a real difference if a run is synced directly from WOD to Strava.
 

kitenski

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With WOD and Apple Workouts. And just checked: did some runs with iSmoothRun and Strava smoothes them also.

Cheers, do you have any recent runs with WOD that synced "smoothly" with Strava? Trying to work out with the WOD author if it's my watch or something else. Do you have any smoothing turned on in WOD?
 

NME42

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Cheers, do you have any recent runs with WOD that synced "smoothly" with Strava? Trying to work out with the WOD author if it's my watch or something else. Do you have any smoothing turned on in WOD?

Checked back about 2-3 weeks and all pace graphs in Strava look smoother than in runalyze.
But guess your setup is doing something differently than my overly complex environment: WOD->Apple Health->RunGap->Garmin Connect->Strava.
Never synced directly from WOD as Strava is as mentioned only a secondary or tertiary data sink for me, will be left by year end and RunGap is my central distribution tool as I am recording workouts from other sports with a variety of apps and devices besides WOD.

Do not think this is your watch.
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An example how Strava smoothes...

Seems I did not check the pace graph from this particular run from iSmoothRun in runalyze:

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2019-11-29 14_31_13-Lauf am Morgen _ Lauf _ Strava.png


But as this is the WOD and not iSmoothRun, I stop now.

Forgot: cadence graphs from my AW are independent from which app I produce them are awful. Typically they alter between two values or stay at one value for minutes. No idea what the AW is producing there. But I do not care too much about this metric.

Edit 2: fiddled with runalyze settings on training view (there are plenty) and with the correct settings it can also smooth out the terrible iSmoothRun pace chart.
 
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NME42

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As my heel injury is now more or less gone, I want to start with a little tempo training to get back to shape.

Tried to program my first interval schedule with WOD and need some help.

Basic workout (30-20-10):

1) Warmup until I press interval button
2) Jog 30 seconds
3) Steady 20 seconds
4) Fast 10 seconds
5) Repeat 2) 5 times
6) Jog 2 mins
7) Repeat 2) 3 times
8) Cooldown

Did not manage to nest the intervals. Is this not possible (yet)?
 

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You can repeat groups of intervals but only to one level of grouping. If you mean repeating a group of steps, within which one or more of the steps is also a group, then the app does not yet allow that. Sorry about that. If enough people ask then I will add it in the future.
 
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NME42

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Thanks for the info. Yes, I helped myself and manually created a repeating block of intervals. As it was only three repeats, the effort was ok.

Nicer though would be to nest intervals in intervals. I do a lot of these types especially in fartlek workouts, e.g. stairs/pyramids, etc.

Would be cool to find other users to support this too. Not highest priority but good to have. Garmin has this in their interval editor and it is pretty useful.

Two levels of nesting is enough IMHO. In case somebody is interested, Pete Pfitzinger does a lot of these workouts with multiple sets of intervals in his Advanced Road Racing book.
 
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cfc

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Addition: if it is easier to implement, a copy/paste option for intervals could be a good variant also.

You can effectively copy an interval by making it the default for that type of interval. So for example if you have a particular set-up for warm ups then you can configure it for one warm up and then tap the "Make Default" button in the top right and the next time you create a warm up it will have the same duration, target, screen configuration etc.

It isn't quite a copy function but it does allow you to copy intervals (although it doesn't allow you to copy a whole group).
 
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