Other Would you rather have Touch ID under the screen or Face ID?

[flameproof]

That's not accurate.



Neither is that.

1.) You are aware that fingerprints are still used as police evidence. They are quite unique. I presume you refer to cutting of a finger. This is true. But you may consider also a face-id unlock with a gun pointed at you.

But this is not the point, for a lost or stolen phone, is either system is good enough and neither you can crack.

2.) Fingerprint needs dedicated hardware. Face-id you can do with a cam.

I wonder why Apple didn't do both on the expensive devices.

 

[throAU]

FaceId 100%. Having a job where I work with my hands, touchid is hit or miss(mostly miss) so FaceId has been wonderful. When sitting at my desk at home I have my X on a wireless charging stand so I have no problem with the phone unlocking when I need to use it without picking it up. When the phone is on a bar top or table, I always pick the phone up to use it or check notifications so people around me don’t try and snoop

Sounds like a use case for the watch. For the cost of an iPhone X you could have had an 8 plus a watch. And then not even have to walk over to where your phone is.

But hey... that's just me...
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It’s difficult to say as I’ve not seen Touch ID under the screen working on any phone yet. For now I use and like Face ID. Apple have made it clear they are done with Touch ID

Is that why they added it to the Mac??


Oh wait. Given their level of care for the Mac, you're probably right.

 

[BugeyeSTI]

Sounds like a use case for the watch. For the cost of an iPhone X you could have had an 8 plus a watch. And then not even have to walk over to where your phone is.

But hey... that's just me...
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Is that why they added it to the Mac??


Oh wait. Given their level of care for the Mac, you're probably right.

Being an auto mechanic, watches and hand jewelry is a no go... Plus, I didn’t want an iPhone 8, I wanted a new design and refused to pay $800 for a phone that looks and feels just like my iPhone 6S

 

[Shanghaichica]

Sounds like a use case for the watch. For the cost of an iPhone X you could have had an 8 plus a watch. And then not even have to walk over to where your phone is.

But hey... that's just me...
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Is that why they added it to the Mac??


Oh wait. Given their level of care for the Mac, you're probably right.

That was in 2016. Last year when they introduced Face ID they basically said that Touch ID was inferior.

 

[apolloa]

I haven’t gone defensive I just expected the childish response - like the one above.

I don’t need to prove what has already been proven, just because I haven’t proven it first hand doesn’t make it not true. You’re just being obstinate.

So you are claiming that Mac Rumors is obstinate and childish then, read this sites rules before insulting other members, if you don’t want to abide by this sites forum rules like everyone else, don’t post here:

http://macrumors.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/201327723-MacRumors-Rules-for-Appropriate-Debate?mobile_site=true

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[The-Real-Deal82]

Samsung Note 9 may be launching today with a fingerprint sensor under the screen. They are still not caught up to Apple's Face ID but some have lamented the loss of Touch ID. I would stay with the iPhone regardless but a fingerprint sensor imbedded in the glass would be great to have in addition to Face ID.

It looks like TouchID is still popular among tech enthusiasts then. I’ve seen less participants in polls used for national statistics.

 

[bushman4]

Apple would be smart to offer both on an iPhone this would certainly appease the masses
If AR was in full swing then people might favor Face ID. But since full AR
Implementation is at least 5 years away
Probably more people don’t appreciate
Face ID

 

[throAU]

That was in 2016. Last year when they introduced Face ID they basically said that Touch ID was inferior.

No, they said they couldn't make it work properly under the screen.

 

[Shanghaichica]

No, they said they couldn't make it work properly under the screen.

They haven’t admitted they were ever pursuing Touch ID under the screen. They are trying to say that Face ID was always their plan.

 

[44267547]

No, they said they couldn't make it work properly under the screen.

False. That was never said at all. Dan Riccio (Senior VP of Hardware engineering) from Apple stated the following and debunked what you’re saying based information on the following quotes:

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2017/10/31/apple-never-worked-on-rear-inscreen-touch-id/

“I heard some rumor that we couldn’t get Touch ID to work through the glass so we had to remove that. When we hit early line of sight on getting Face ID to be as good as it was, we knew that if we could be successful we could enable the product that we wanted to go off and do and if that’s true it could be something that we could burn the bridges and be all in with. This is assuming it was a better solution.


“Dan Riccio said Apple “spent no time” creating a rear Touch ID sensor or one integrated into the screen itself because it decided to go all in with the Face ID system.”

 

[throAU]

I should have used "said" in air quotes as per the person i was quoting.

Of course they didn't "say" that, because it would be a marketing faux pa.

 

[flameproof]

That was in 2016. Last year when they introduced Face ID they basically said that Touch ID was inferior.

That's just sales talk and doesn't mean anything. They also said finger is best, but now there is pen for iPads, they said iPhone 4 screen size is best, now there are bigger screen iPhones, they said LTE isn't mature, now all iPhone have LTE.

 

[44267547]

That's just sales talk and doesn't mean anything. They also said finger is best, but now there is pen for iPads, they said iPhone 4 screen size is best, now there are bigger screen iPhones, they said LTE isn't mature, now all iPhone have LTE.

I don’t think you understood @Shanghaichica post. What she was saying, is that touch ID is not really part of Apples future, as Face ID _is_there future. Its Not saying that touch ID isn’t relevant or necessary, it’s just Apple changed the biometric security for moving forward to something that they believe is more secure.

 

[flameproof]

I don’t think you understood @Shanghaichica post. What she was saying, is that touch ID is not really part of Apples future, as Face ID _is_there future. Its Not saying that touch ID isn’t relevant or necessary, it’s just Apple changed the biometric security for moving forward to something that they believe is more secure.

Yeah, this is their problem. Limiting choices and force their believe what they believe is better on users. Truth is, face id is cheap and doesn't need special hardware. But IMHO in that price range they should do both and let users choose. Best is always having choices.

 

[russelljg]

I don’t think you understood @Shanghaichica post. What she was saying, is that touch ID is not really part of Apples future, as Face ID _is_there future. Its Not saying that touch ID isn’t relevant or necessary, it’s just Apple changed the biometric security for moving forward to something that they believe is more secure.

Or more likely.......moving forward to something that they could get to work with the design of the phone.

 

[MEJHarrison]

Yeah, this is their problem. Limiting choices and force their believe what they believe is better on users. Truth is, face id is cheap and doesn't need special hardware. But IMHO in that price range they should do both and let users choose. Best is always having choices.

That's three times now in this thread that you've talked about FaceID being cheap and not needing special hardware. I think you need to go back and learn some more about Apple's implementation of FaceID. It's pretty clear from reading your posts that you don't understand the technology at all. You seem to be confusing it with other vendor's versions of "unlock with your face", but it's nothing like those.

 

[MarkX]

So you are claiming that Mac Rumors is obstinate and childish then, read this sites rules before insulting other members, if you don’t want to abide by this sites forum rules like everyone else, don’t post here:

http://macrumors.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/201327723-MacRumors-Rules-for-Appropriate-Debate?mobile_site=true

Rules:

1. Sources. If you claim that something's a fact, back it up with a source. If you can't produce evidence when someone asks you to cite your sources, we may remove your posts. If you started the thread, then we may remove or close the thread.

Whilst I may need to familiarise myself with the rules I did not mean to insult you. If stating the truth upset you then that’s nothing to do with me .

 

[steve62388]

1.) You are aware that fingerprints are still used as police evidence. They are quite unique. I presume you refer to cutting of a finger. This is true. But you may consider also a face-id unlock with a gun pointed at you.

But this is not the point, for a lost or stolen phone, is either system is good enough and neither you can crack.

2.) Fingerprint needs dedicated hardware. Face-id you can do with a cam.

I wonder why Apple didn't do both on the expensive devices.

No, I’m not talking about removing fingers. It wouldn’t work anyway, TouchID needs a live finger https://www.engadget.com/2013/09/16/why-a-disembodied-finger-cant-be-used-to-unlock-the-touch-id-se/

I’m considering FaceID more secure because the chances of a random person unlocking with TouchID is 1 in 50,000, whereas FaceID is 1 in 1,000,000. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_ID

As other posters on the thread have already mentioned, you keep saying FaceID is cheap because it’s just a cam (and you have said it here as well). It’s not. https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-face-id-truedepth-how-it-works/

I don’t think you understand how TouchID or FaceID works.

 

[Newtons Apple]

Just make dam sure my biometrics are not all over the Internet.

Too late. If you carry a cell phone every day your privacy has already been greatly compromised.

 

[CTHarrryH]

Wonder how many people who voted for Touch-ID actually have an X with Face-ID or just voting on the basis of what they think or heard

 

[dk001]

Wonder how many people who voted for Touch-ID actually have an X with Face-ID or just voting on the basis of what they think or heard

Wonder how may have tried them side by side?
This could be broken down a lot of different ways but in the end it makes a small difference. Most of this is personal opinion / perception.

 

[Bpa260]

Touch ID here. Just sold my X. Back to SE, iPad mini 4 combo. Too many situations where i couldn't get into my phone without looking at it

 

[Thor_1]

Face ID. It takes away the conscious effort of unlocking your phone. Just swipe up and you're in.

There is zero effort using Touch ID. My phone is unlocked and ready for use as soon as it's out of my pocket.

 

[Appleaker]

They aren't mutually exclusive, but if I had to have one purely for unlocking the phone, Touch ID would be better in terms of speed and ease of use (i.e. not having to look at the phone).

 

[blaine07]

For as much as these devices are costing now a days I don’t see why we don’t have both