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nilnova

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Oct 30, 2013
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Sure enough, I have the yellow tint problem. It's in the lower left, like a lot of other folks. It seemed subtle at first, so I was initially thinking I'd live with it. But the more I used it, and especially with white backgrounds (so much of the web, and document edit windows, etc) it just seemed either to get worse or to nag at me more and more. It's like that lower left area seems smudged and dirty, in comparison to the top center, which looks pristine. It's not just that it's a yellow tint, the brightness is also slightly dimmer there.

Ok, I've done a bit more testing with my unit. I've discovered that it depends on how I look at the screen that gives a yellowy/warm band that runs horizontally across the screen. I can mitigate this by tilting the screen back. When sitting upright in bed with it on my lap, I have to have it opened all the way back for it to look best. When sitting at a desk I have to do the same, but in that scenario it is particularly awkward. The top of the screen in that orientation is tilted too far back so it feels weird, like looking at the Star Wars opening crawl. ;) But tilt the screen forward a bit again to make the orientation more natural and the yellowy band is back.

Also, even when I have it in the "sweet spot", there is still definitely a little splotch/smudge in the lower left in particular. It's not huge, but it's noticeable.

<sigh> I was set to take it back but now I don't know if I am being too picky or not. I don't like tilting the screen so far back, I'm more used to using screens in a more upright orientation. But if I take it back I could get a worse unit.

Decisions, decisions...

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Ok I read the Atomic Walrus post aiyaaabatt quoted in more depth and yeah, it seems like that describes my situation pretty well. I just don't like the yellow shift though, but if this is normal maybe I am being too picky. Thing is my crappy TN desktop monitor doesn't exhibit this behavior so I'm not used to this situation. But I like whites to be white. <sigh>
 
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illian

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Jan 13, 2008
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Porsche-City, Germany
Ok, I've done a bit more testing with my unit. I've discovered that it depends on how I look at the screen that gives a yellowy/warm band that runs horizontally across the screen. I can mitigate this by tilting the screen back. When sitting upright in bed with it on my lap, I have to have it opened all the way back for it to look best. When sitting at a desk I have to do the same, but in that scenario it is particularly awkward. The top of the screen in that orientation is tilted too far back so it feels weird, like looking at the Star Wars opening crawl. ;) But tilt the screen forward a bit again to make the orientation more natural and the yellowy band is back.

Also, even when I have it in the "sweet spot", there is still definitely a little splotch/smudge in the lower left in particular. It's not huge, but it's noticeable.

<sigh> I was set to take it back but now I don't know if I am being too picky or not. I don't like tilting the screen so far back, I'm more used to using screens in a more upright orientation. But if I take it back I could get a worse unit.

Decisions, decisions...

Edit:
Ok I read the Atomic Walrus post aiyaaabatt quoted in more depth and yeah, it seems like that describes my situation pretty well. I just don't like the yellow shift though, but if this is normal maybe I am being too picky. Thing is my crappy TN desktop monitor doesn't exhibit this behavior so I'm not used to this situation. But I like whites to be white. <sigh>

Maybe call apple for a replacement and tell them you want to keep your current macbook until your new one arrives. You could compare both and set the one back which looks worse ;)

I'll try that now. Good luck
 

Macguy76

macrumors regular
Feb 9, 2011
130
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Texas
That happened to me 2 months ago on my 2012 Retina. Had the screen burn and took it to , where they replaced the display after it failed the it testing at the store.

Took it home and realized that the replacement screen had the burn in also,that made editing video a nightmare. As I had it for 14 Months, but had AppleCare, they swapped it out for a completely new 15" retina MacBook and all was fine.

Just got a new 15" Crystalwell and 13" Haswell and have not noticed any issues with the displays so far....

These products are hard to manufacture to 's standards, so I understand that they may have some issues. I feel lucky that I have not, for the most part. In the end, I am glad that Apple has made it right in my case.
 

nilnova

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Oct 30, 2013
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As for me, I decided to take mine back. I took the opportunity to upgrade to the dGPU SKU at the same time. So far it looks much better. Panel is an LG whereas the old one was Sammy. Hopefully no image retention but I'm not going to go out of my way to try and produce it.
 

Atomic Walrus

macrumors 6502a
Sep 24, 2012
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Ok, I've done a bit more testing with my unit. I've discovered that it depends on how I look at the screen that gives a yellowy/warm band that runs horizontally across the screen. I can mitigate this by tilting the screen back. When sitting upright in bed with it on my lap, I have to have it opened all the way back for it to look best. When sitting at a desk I have to do the same, but in that scenario it is particularly awkward. The top of the screen in that orientation is tilted too far back so it feels weird, like looking at the Star Wars opening crawl. ;) But tilt the screen forward a bit again to make the orientation more natural and the yellowy band is back.

Also, even when I have it in the "sweet spot", there is still definitely a little splotch/smudge in the lower left in particular. It's not huge, but it's noticeable.

<sigh> I was set to take it back but now I don't know if I am being too picky or not. I don't like tilting the screen so far back, I'm more used to using screens in a more upright orientation. But if I take it back I could get a worse unit.

Decisions, decisions...

Edit:
Ok I read the Atomic Walrus post aiyaaabatt quoted in more depth and yeah, it seems like that describes my situation pretty well. I just don't like the yellow shift though, but if this is normal maybe I am being too picky. Thing is my crappy TN desktop monitor doesn't exhibit this behavior so I'm not used to this situation. But I like whites to be white. <sigh>

There's a weird trade off here, which is that LG's panels don't seem to be as bad about this. But they might have IR (have we actually seen this on the current version or not? I can't tell based on what I've been reading so far). Samsung's panels never demonstrated IR, even last year, but seem to be much worse about angle shifts.

Actual color temperature gradients (not angle-dependent) are a different issue. You get that on any LCD panel, some better some worse. Even my 27" cinema display has a slightly warmer area on one side (but it has less angle-based shift than my new Samsung rMBP panel). So does my 17" 2010 MBP, which is a TN panel.

I have no idea if IGZO improves on any of this as I've never actually seen one in person who heard its angle-shifting behavior described. I know it's rated for a lower viewing angle, but that might just be in terms of actual brightness.
 

Quu

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Apr 2, 2007
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There's a weird trade off here, which is that LG's panels don't seem to be as bad about this. But they might have IR (have we actually seen this on the current version or not? I can't tell based on what I've been reading so far). Samsung's panels never demonstrated IR, even last year, but seem to be much worse about angle shifts.

I dunno about this, we don't have any wide spread evidence only what we ourselves are reporting. Mine was an LG and it looked just as bad as that earlier posters who has a Samsung. I don't think the display makes a different where uniformity and yellow tinting is concerned to be honest.
 

zOlid

macrumors regular
Original poster
Jun 13, 2013
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Am I the only one that is actually hoping for a LG screen?
Seems like most of you are dead set on getting a Samsung, but I haven't seen any evidence that the new "rev 2" LG screens have IR.
And the LG screens have much clearer whites then the Samsung does.
The Samsung i absolutely not bad, and to yellow, it's a very faint overall tint.

But now thats not the issue i have, it's a yellow area in the lower left corner.

I'm for sure hoping for a LG screen, but if i get a Samsung with a even really faint yellow tint, I would be totally fine with that.

I would not like IR of course, but I can't find real evidence of IR on the "rev 2" LG screens, more then some very isolated report about it.
 

Atomic Walrus

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Sep 24, 2012
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I dunno about this, we don't have any wide spread evidence only what we ourselves are reporting. Mine was an LG and it looked just as bad as that earlier posters who has a Samsung. I don't think the display makes a different where uniformity and yellow tinting is concerned to be honest.

I thought yours was a static tint though, right? I was talking about the angle shift, which is mostly a vertical thing (it's like the TN gamma shift but with white temperature). I could be wrong as I haven't seen a huge sample (just mine and whatever I look at in the Apple store), but I felt like the LGs I've seen had less angle-based shift. Actual static shift is just... it's all over the place on all of them.
 

zOlid

macrumors regular
Original poster
Jun 13, 2013
249
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I thought yours was a static tint though, right? I was talking about the angle shift, which is mostly a vertical thing (it's like the TN gamma shift but with white temperature). I could be wrong as I haven't seen a huge sample (just mine and whatever I look at in the Apple store), but I felt like the LGs I've seen had less angle-based shift. Actual static shift is just... it's all over the place on all of them.

There shouldn't be a angel shift really.
I have none what so ever, except in extreme angles.
So if you do have a yellow "band" or tint in a corner or such. And not, a even slight yellow tint over the whole screen.
Then your screen has some kind of issue imho.
 

Quu

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Apr 2, 2007
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I thought yours was a static tint though, right? I was talking about the angle shift, which is mostly a vertical thing (it's like the TN gamma shift but with white temperature). I could be wrong as I haven't seen a huge sample (just mine and whatever I look at in the Apple store), but I felt like the LGs I've seen had less angle-based shift. Actual static shift is just... it's all over the place on all of them.

I'm just saying that both types of displays suffer from a yellow tinting if you get a bad one. It's not exclusive to Samsung's while IR is exclusive to LG's. There are some people who got Samsung displays with IR too if the posts on Apples support board are to be believed.
 

Kariya

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Nov 3, 2010
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I have no idea if IGZO improves on any of this as I've never actually seen one in person who heard its angle-shifting behavior described. I know it's rated for a lower viewing angle, but that might just be in terms of actual brightness.

Apparently IGZO has IR issues too
 

JPizzzle

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Oct 30, 2008
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here's my third and probably final attempt at a replacement-It seems good in person-but maybe i'm going blind from all these white screens.

Thoughts??
 

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gothamm

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Nov 18, 2007
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here's my third and probably final attempt at a replacement-It seems good in person-but maybe i'm going blind from all these white screens.

Thoughts??

if it doesnt bother you and you have to looked it over with a fine toothed comb to see any flaws, then you should keep it. I see a little bit of yellow all along the bottom of the screen but that could be due to the where the camera is focused.
 

N3ILA

macrumors member
Sep 5, 2013
43
3
Pleasant Prairie, WI.
I received the 2.3GHz 15-inch Crystal Well MacBook Pro as a replacement for too many repairs on my previous 2.7GHz 2012 cMBP which was only two months old. I do not expect a perfect MacBook Pro but I do expect some quality control. I would have expected this with Compaq but not Apple, just saying...

1st Replacement Samsung A022-

Had yellow tinge on the lower left and the whole right side of the display. Also, the left side of the display assembly when closed did not touch the top case of the MacBook Pro which left a small gap where as the right side the the opposite. The display glass on the left same area where it did not close all the way there where small jagged scratches which would light up blue when I shined flashlight light on them. Display didn't calibrate well and overall warm in general. Display also did not get that bright

2nd Replacement Samsung A022-

Same yellow tinge lower left and mid to lower right while it was faint was still annoying. Display calibrated to a more natural white and the screens brightness was a lot better but the tinge remained.

3rd Replacement Samsung A022-

Yellow tinge lower left and right side worse than the previous two. Text was really blurry. One side of the trackpad was excessively deeper when pressed. Display assembly was not aligned and the top case bottom panel creaked when picked up.

4th Replacement Samsung A022-

Yellow tinge lower left and right side. When I would close the display and then open it again doing so produced a thin band of vertical lines on the left side of the screen about 1/4th of an inch wide which would then fade after a min.

5th Replacement LG A019 (Current)-

Faint yellow right middle lower side. I turned off the preference to automatically adjust screen brightness which seems to have helped a little or maybe it’s just wishful thinking. Case and trackpad are perfect. One of the pentalobe screws on the bottom panel is really rough and looks like it's almost stripped. Basically the head of the screw now looks like an allen screw instead of the pentalobe screw.

(Restated) I do not expect a perfect MacBook Pro but I do expect some quality control. I would have expected this with Compaq but not Apple, just saying...
 

mandk

macrumors newbie
Oct 28, 2013
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Simply checked mine, it seems slightly color shift from top to bottom. I have no idea caused by angle or something else. it reminds me when retina ipad first came out, same issue. How hard it can be to make a paper white screen for $3000 worth laptop, apple?:confused::confused::confused:
 

JPizzzle

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Oct 30, 2008
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if it doesnt bother you and you have to looked it over with a fine toothed comb to see any flaws, then you should keep it. I see a little bit of yellow all along the bottom of the screen but that could be due to the where the camera is focused.

Here's a pic of the bottom area-
 

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gothamm

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Nov 18, 2007
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Simply checked mine, it seems slightly color shift from top to bottom. I have no idea caused by angle or something else. it reminds me when retina ipad first came out, same issue. How hard it can be to make a paper white screen for $3000 worth laptop, apple?:confused::confused::confused:

very hard. this is new tech that'll take a few years to refine.
 

gothamm

macrumors 6502a
Nov 18, 2007
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Here's a pic of the bottom area-

tbh it looks great. a great majority of the screens are just fine. its the ones that have the problems that are likelier to voice their concerns. Enjoy your laptop and dont think about it again.

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Wow 5 returns already and still haven't found a good one?

he is either the unluckiest person or the most anal person who will never be satisfied. My bet is on the latter.
 

JPizzzle

macrumors 6502
Oct 30, 2008
325
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tbh it looks great. a great majority of the screens are just fine. its the ones that have the problems that are likelier to voice their concerns. Enjoy your laptop and dont think about it again.

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Gotham, thanks for the reply. I do want to make sure that there isn't a yellow tint before I get comfortable. I don't want to regret buying a 3k+ laptop just to make myself feel better. So by all means if people feel that there is an issue, I'd prefer to hear it rather than not. It's just tough for me to evaluate without another retina next to me. Thanks!!
 

toneLA

macrumors regular
Jun 28, 2013
113
0
Beverly Hills, CA
Update :

So it turns out I must have been on something when I looked at my screen and thought it was perfect the other day. I also used it in conjunction with my external display since the day I got it. I was also using it at full brightness but under normal settings, especially at night, I can clearly see that the entire bottom half of my screen is yellow.

Calibrating using the OSX-app doesn't help, since the top part remains whiter. It's actually quite visible on safari where it looks like a gradation from top to bottom with a near perfect straight line across where the temperature changes.

I am furious about the ordeal because I've gone through 2 MacBook Airs over wi-fi issues and a faulty iGPU displaying pixelated grey boxes all over the screen. This was right after they were announced at WWDC. I am now terribly frustrated that yet again, another model launches and something as BASIC as a screen goes through their quality controls without being flagged. Please, they use machines that photograph iPhone 5/5S parts to match them perfectly down to the nanometer and you want me to believe there is no way for them to detect yellow-screens? It's also not like IR issues and yellow tints were reported yesterday. The rMBP has been subject to these both since day 1 in '12. They advertise a laptop with the best screen on the market, yet they have 2 different manufacturers for the retina panel and both screens respond differently. That's borderline false advertising.

During the whole process with the Airs, the genius bar associate made me feel like a complete idiot saying it had to do with my internet connection when obviously it was a known issue and I was connected to their latest 802.11ac Airport Extreme at home. When he was successful at re-creating the issue and the connection completely dropped, he mentioned 'bottleneck' of their routers claiming it had to do with the store full of customers using wi-fi. (At this point, we're seriously a sandwich short of a picnic.)

At 2600 dollars, I now see red. :mad: My former 15-inch early 2013 had the best freaking screen ever. I don't care what people say about LG being crippled with IR, mine never showed any signs of it. Blacks were crisp, whites were pure, a true joy to work on as an Architect/Designer using CAD, Photoshop and InDesign all day.

Obviously, in total Beverly Hills condescending fashion, the genius guy tells me that it's 'within specs' and that 'he can't see.' If by 'within specs' he means that it's totally acceptable to deal with a screen that's half 'polluted' I am not gonna be the kind of guy to drink their f* Kool-Aid anymore. That's my job to look at colors all day - I've been using macs for 12+ years. Why? Because of the usual exceptional color reproduction. I know when a screen looks like 'pee' or 'snow.' I don't need a 19 y.o. kid to tell me whether or not I am right or wrong about that particular aspect of my computer. Give me a lesson about RAM or i7 performance all you want, just don't talk about what my eyes see.

He finally proceeded to tell me that 'they would make an exception and do a display replacement once, that if the second screen was also not of my liking I'd have no other choice than to basically suck it.' - keep in mind, I'm within my 14-day return period, it's not like they are doing me any favor. I ended up refusing.

First of all, for a brand spanking new machine, there is no way they are gonna start tinkering with the hinge and move parts around. I'd feel uneasy about it in 2 years, I certainly don't want to deal with this non-sense at day 5 of ownership. I see this like a car. When you start moving things around, opening, fixing, repainting and changing parts, that's when things go seriously wrong. If I had no choice in 2 years, I'd obviously agree. But today, absolutely not. I don't want to end up stuck with a laptop that's potentially gonna squeak when it just rolled out of the factory line. That happened on a unibody white MacBook when they replaced my display back in the days. The whole assembly ended up misaligned and you could see a difference in gaps once the lid was closed on each side of the back hinge. I just thought that there was a better way to calibrate it than at home and they could help. I was obviously wrong.

Second, I wanted to escalate the issue to their customer service. They heard about me over my Air issues during the summer and thought it was only fair to let them know about how this tool at the store handled it. Off I went and dialed their 1-800 number.

I briefly spoke to the first tech associate to explain the issue but asked to be transferred to a senior advisor. He connected me and there goes the polite rampage. I went through all of the details, from the Airs to the old unibody MacBook, to my former rMBP, the disparity between Samsung and LG panels and how their genius people can sometimes be the most arrogant and useful people.

I said that there was absolutely no way I'd have the panel replaced and that I'd be asking for a full refund to wait it out for a second. If this is their first batch, I don't want to be the one to deal with this BS so they can get feedback for the future customers.

After listening to my feelings about the whole thing, the supervisor mentioned that they are indeed aware of quality issues with the panels they use. (Hello, it's been 1.5 years at this point.) They are requiring every store nationwide to proceed with 'captures' when it pertains to the late 2013 rMBP screen - whether it's IR or yellowing. That's when you wonder why the idiot I dealt with didn't follow the internal instructions.

I was told to return my unit and mention the issue as to make sure to put it aside so it can be sent back to their engineering teams in Northern CA.

And for the FIRST time in history, I was offered financial compensation for the ordeal I've been going through and that's documented under my Apple ID for the 2 Airs and this one.

So I will hold on for a second to re-purchase it. It seems that they are working on it and I refuse to look at a Samsung screen. LG is a better counter part and its color reproduction way more accurate. I still do not understand why Apple thinks it's ok to have 2 manufacturers presenting such differences to the naked eye. It's a class action lawsuit waiting to happen.

I will post pictures later tonight once I get a hold of a better camera than my iPhone 5.

Moral of the story, we're paying customers. We have the right to get what's advertised and what we've paid for. Speaking to senior advisors always seems to be a viable option and we should let no one tell us that it's ok to have yellow spots or darker corners on a 2600 dollars piece of tech. Perfection doesn't exist but for such a price tag, it should be freaking close to being flawless. If I wanted to go cheap and I didn't care about what I spend 7 hours a day looking at, I'd buy an HP.

Hope this bit of news about the capture helps you guys. We can only wish they really look into it and ditch Samsung for good.
 
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Kariya

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Nov 3, 2010
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I think sadly chances of getting a decent screen and few and far between. There are A LOT of A022 (Samsung) screens this revision...especially if you get the stock top end model. Also, unlike previous generations, getting an LG screen doesn't automatically mean a non-yellow tinged screen.

Both display models can be just as bad or as good as each other. Opting for a 13" model won't help you either since they're primarily supplied by LG and are all but likely to slap you with IR down the road.

I'm currently managing mine with a 7500k calibration profile which makes it usable. But i intend to try again for a replacement next week.
 

Jeanloup

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Oct 25, 2012
109
0
I'm really pissed of against Apple. I need to buy a new computer and the 13" rmbp would be perfect for me. I really want to buy it and I have been using a crappy PC laptop waiting for the release of the haswell revision in the hope that Apple would have done quietly something to get ride of the IR problems and of course they haven't .... I have been following and reading every reviews and topics about IR on pretty much everything and as far as i know if i buy the computer i want i will have IR. My only hope of not having the issue is getting a 15" model which I do not want. It is way too big for me and I don't need the extra power so that would pain me to spend so much cash on something I don't really want. When I'll buy a computer I'll get Apple Care anyway but as there is only defective 13" screens for the moment it is useless. Apple would just replace (if they agree to replace the screen and not try to screw me with their IR test) my screen with another faulty LG. Aside from this issue I know the computer is great and my reason / common sens is preventing me from buying one ... Don't know what to do anymore. I don't trust on Apple solving the problem anytime soon ... :(
 
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N3ILA

macrumors member
Sep 5, 2013
43
3
Pleasant Prairie, WI.
tbh it looks great. a great majority of the screens are just fine. its the ones that have the problems that are likelier to voice their concerns. Enjoy your laptop and dont think about it again.

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he is either the unluckiest person or the most anal person who will never be satisfied. My bet is on the latter.

I believe in doing something right the first time. My father has an Lenovo laptop there is no issue with the display. My uncles laptop id a dell no issue with the display. My Samsung 23' F2380 cpva monitor while crushes the blacks a little bit has no bleed and no yellow patches. I have been rather unlucky with this whole ordeal with apple. I took my previous cmbp to an apple store to have the display replaced. while in their possession the top case was dented the store called me and told me what happened and said they will replace it. The display was replaced with a samsung still same issue and when I inspected their work done inside of my macbook pro a few screws were semi stripped and two screws were missing from the logic board. So it was then sent to a repair depot was replaced with an lg screen and had no issue was perfect. the repair depot replaced my samsung 840 pro ssd even though it was quoted on the work order that it was a third party should I have put the original back in yes of course but it was my backup drive now. Before this my original macbook pro was so badly damaged by a tech at an apple store that apple authorized a replacement even though I purchased it from MacMall. The powerbookg4 I purchased in 03 was perfect nothing wrong with it at all. Manufacture spec or not yellow blotches are unacceptable especially when they are not seen on the stores display model (period)
 
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