Yellow tint on Haswell rMBP 15"

[Quu]

Sorry, missed that. I have actually seen that gradient (yellow on left) on the LG panels. The Samsungs I've seen (including mine) don't seem to actually have that issue (just a vertical angle temperature shift). The vertical shift is less concerning since you can just find the best tilt angle to minimize it, like on a TN panel with the gamma shift.

Mine is yellow on the right. My left side is perfect.

Honestly these displays are all over the place but I have seen perfect displays with no colour shift at all. One in-store and one that my friend has (2012 Ivy Bridge rMBP) both of those look fabulous.

I'm confident I'll be able to get a good one.

 

[illian]

Mine is yellow on the right. My left side is perfect.

Honestly these displays are all over the place but I have seen perfect displays with no colour shift at all. One in-store and one that my friend has (2012 Ivy Bridge rMBP) both of those look fabulous.

I'm confident I'll be able to get a good one.

I'm pretty sure mine got worse

man this sucks...

 

[aiyaaabatt]

I'm pretty sure mine got worse

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man this sucks...

eww, that bottom left portion is pretty bad.

I would 100% return that. I've already returned 2 macbook retina's. Apple takes them back without even asking why I want to return them.... so it would be no problem at all to do an exchange or return.

 

[illian]

eww, that bottom left portion is pretty bad.

I would 100% return that. I've already returned 2 macbook retina's. Apple takes them back without even asking why I want to return them.... so it would be no problem at all to do an exchange or return.

Yes indeed...need to call them tomorrow. But it is always a hassle, because during the day no one is home for delivery and pick up.

Maybe I can keep mine until the new one arrives to make sure I can still keep it if the new one is even worse

 

[Quu]

I'm pretty sure mine got worse

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man this sucks...

That is terrible and exactly how mine looked but with the yellow on the opposite side. My advice is return it and get a new one, do not settle for that you will not forgive yourself later on.

 

[nilnova]

Hi, new poster here, but not a new Mac user. I haven't had a MacBook Pro in years though.

Since the Retina refresh announcement I've been reading and trying to catch up on what's what. I was dismayed to see that there seem to be some issues with the retinas: yellow tint and ghosting. I read those topics but hoped I would not suffer from it. After swaying back and forth on what model to get, I got the base 2.0/8gb/256gb version.

Sure enough, I have the yellow tint problem. It's in the lower left, like a lot of other folks. It seemed subtle at first, so I was initially thinking I'd live with it. But the more I used it, and especially with white backgrounds (so much of the web, and document edit windows, etc) it just seemed either to get worse or to nag at me more and more. It's like that lower left area seems smudged and dirty, in comparison to the top center, which looks pristine. It's not just that it's a yellow tint, the brightness is also slightly dimmer there.

I will try and take it back but I am not sure if I should try an exchange, try the upgraded version, try a BTO, or even scrap the idea altogether. I got mine from Best Buy. Does anyone know how good they are about returns? From what I'm reading here Apple doesn't give any fuss but I'm worried that if I end up having to return a few to get a good machine I may run into issues.

 

[gothamm]

Hi, new poster here, but not a new Mac user. I haven't had a MacBook Pro in years though.

Since the Retina refresh announcement I've been reading and trying to catch up on what's what. I was dismayed to see that there seem to be some issues with the retinas: yellow tint and ghosting. I read those topics but hoped I would not suffer from it. After swaying back and forth on what model to get, I got the base 2.0/8gb/256gb version.

Sure enough, I have the yellow tint problem. It's in the lower left, like a lot of other folks. It seemed subtle at first, so I was initially thinking I'd live with it. But the more I used it, and especially with white backgrounds (so much of the web, and document edit windows, etc) it just seemed either to get worse or to nag at me more and more. It's like that lower left area seems smudged and dirty, in comparison to the top center, which looks pristine. It's not just that it's a yellow tint, the brightness is also slightly dimmer there.

I will try and take it back but I am not sure if I should try an exchange, try the upgraded version, try a BTO, or even scrap the idea altogether. I got mine from Best Buy. Does anyone know how good they are about returns? From what I'm reading here Apple doesn't give any fuss but I'm worried that if I end up having to return a few to get a good machine I may run into issues.

best buy will return it 100%

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best buy will return it 100%

would you mind posting a pic of the screen?

 

[Arid]

My first one was on the bottom left, the second's entire screen was tinted. Both Samsung displays. I returned it for a 13" and couldn't be happier!

 

[Guy Mancuso]

Yuk, they look really bad. Sorry about this.

 

[nilnova]

best buy will return it 100%

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would you mind posting a pic of the screen?

I'll give it a go. Haven't don't this before so bear with me.

The one with the crosshair in the center shows the area where the panel looks good. The 2nd one with the crosshair in the lower left is where the panel looks yellowy and dimmer.

Maybe it looks subtle, but it stands out more and more when you surf through websites with white backgrounds, in particular. Even sites which have color it seems a little dimmer in that lower left area.

Sadly I don't think these pictures can't really capture it very well. I did my best but I'm not a photog.

 

[aiyaaabatt]

My first one was on the bottom left, the second's entire screen was tinted. Both Samsung displays. I returned it for a 13" and couldn't be happier!

If the entire screen has a uniform "warm" color, you can increase the white-level via calibration.

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That effect is an issue of viewing angle. IPS panels do have some color temperature and brightness shifts from viewing angle (some more than others), and in this case it's definitely angle-related. I'm not saying there aren't monitors with actual temperature shifts you could see or measure with a meter (I saw a 13" at the Apple store when I picked up my 15" that clearly had this), but what I'm seeing in those shots is angle-related.

Notice how the Air on the left has its "bright spot" closer to the right side of the screen, while the MBP's is closer to the left? If the camera is moved that should change, as seen in the shot with only the MBP. Even when looking straight on different points on the screen are at different angles relative to your eyes, so you can actually see this effect in normal usage (though it's less pronounced than on a camera obviously). To see an extreme example, compare looking at your screen from above with looking at it from below (tilt it way back). It should tend to go cool from below and warmer from above.

The Samsung panels are often described as having more angle-based color shift, but the LG panels are still producing reports of IR unfortunately.

On a more general note I hope everyone knows that even the best LCD panels have significant variances all over them. If you actually take a meter to a panel you'll see that brightness and color temperature bounces around all over the place (I can even explain a trick that allows you to see the variance "blobs" with your eyes, but I won't do it because it could cause display OCD overload for some members).

An actual "perfect" LCD panel costs thousands of dollars (closer to 10 than 1), and they're usually only used in extremely accuracy-sensitive fields.

Let me take time to quote Atomic Walrus. His post is 100% spot-on and should put some of our inbred "OCD" nature in check.

 

[Atomic Walrus]

I'm pretty sure mine got worse

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man this sucks...

Could you change the angle and take some more pictures (from above, from below)? I'd like to see how/if it shifts as the angle changes.

Just taking some pics of mine, which has some angle shift but not any major permanent temperature shift I can detect, yours does seem more serious. Hard to tell really considering how different the pictures can come out though.

 

[gothamm]

I think I really lucked out with my new 2.3/512/16gb


Perfectly even backlighting (well maybe not perfect but as good as its going to get) and no signs of discoloration. I'll post it if anyone wants to use it as a reference.

EDIT: btw, my panel model is LP154WT1-SJE1.

its an LG

 

[Guy Mancuso]

One thing folks can do is try and calibrate some of the yellow out to at least get rid of the the overall tint of the panel. You'll still have the light falloff no question to those affected screens but it at least won't look as bad color wise. It will look more like shading without the ugly yellow attached to it. Now if really bad certainly return it. But I would at least try that and see how you feel about it. The warmer the color tone the worst it will look overall. Try to get it back to more white.

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I think I really lucked out with my new 2.3/512/16gb


Perfectly even backlighting (well maybe not perfect but as good as its going to get) and no signs of discoloration. I'll post it if anyone wants to use it as a reference.

EDIT: btw, my panel model is LP154WT1-SJE1.

its an LG

This looks at least better since we are not seeing the yellow color. Still a little falloff in brightness.

 

[aiyaaabatt]

One thing folks can do is try and calibrate some of the yellow out to at least get rid of the the overall tint of the panel. You'll still have the light falloff no question to those affected screens but it at least won't look as bad color wise. It will look more like shading without the ugly yellow attached to it. Now if really bad certainly return it. But I would at least try that and see how you feel about it. The warmer the color tone the worst it will look overall. Try to get it back to more white.

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This looks at least better since we are not seeing the yellow color. Still a little falloff in brightness.

Fall-off is due to IPS angle shift. If he were to shift his angle to the left, the left side would appear brighter than the right side, and visa-versa.

 

[Guy Mancuso]

Fall-off is due to IPS angle shift. If he were to shift his angle to the left, the left side would appear brighter than the right side, and visa-versa.

Absolutely what I suggested would not eliminate the problem of falloff. The problem is its being compounded with bad color and makes it look worse. This is not a fix for the panel overall light levels. Only a new panel would do that hopefully. The bad yellow color though makes the root issue much worse looking.

 

[jabbr]

Here's my 13"

there are a couple yellow blotches in the bottom half of the screen and a weird blue halo around the webcam area. These flaws don't go away with tilting.

 

[Kariya]

This is one of the reasons i haven't considered stepping down to the 13" Retina.

This is the eyesore i'm currently waiting to return back to Apple. Its a Samdung A022.

 

[Hemlis]

Here's my 13"

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there are a couple yellow blotches in the bottom half of the screen and a weird blue halo around the webcam area. These flaws don't go away with tilting.

I notice the blue halo in my display as well, although not as pronounced as yours. What macbook/display model do you have?

 

[jabbr]

I notice the blue halo in my display as well, although not as pronounced as yours. What macbook/display model do you have?

this is a 2.4/8GB/256GB model with an A018 display, apparently manufactured week 48 of 2012.

 

[illian]

Could you change the angle and take some more pictures (from above, from below)? I'd like to see how/if it shifts as the angle changes.

Just taking some pics of mine, which has some angle shift but not any major permanent temperature shift I can detect, yours does seem more serious. Hard to tell really considering how different the pictures can come out though.

Here you go:

I'm afraid that my replacement could be the same or worse

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This is one of the reasons i haven't considered stepping down to the 13" Retina.

This is the eyesore i'm currently waiting to return back to Apple. Its a Samdung A022.

Looks the same on mine...can you tell us if your replacement is any better when you get it? thx

 

[AirThis]

I'm pretty sure mine got worse

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man this sucks...

Yeah, you should send it back. It looks pretty extreme. Hope you get a good one in return.

 

[toneLA]

Thoughts? It's an LSN - Samsung.

 

[gothamm]

Thoughts? It's an LSN - Samsung.

looks great. very slight uneven backlighting but that is to be expected. There is no such thing as a perfectly backlit screen. basically the same as my screen (See post above).

 

[toneLA]

looks great. very slight uneven backlighting but that is to be expected. There is no such thing as a perfectly backlit screen. basically the same as my screen (See post above).

I think it also has to do with my camera focusing right in the middle. I manually clicked on the center to focus. Such a gamble though. And reading MR doesn't help a bit!