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Burnsey

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Jul 1, 2007
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Last time I was really on the MBP forum was back with the Santa Rosa MBPs were introduced with the then new LED displays in 2007. Big thread on yellow screens. This time I'm looking to upgrade and back again, and what do you know, another big thread on yellow tinted displays.

How is this still an issue?

I'm looking at getting a 13inch rmbp this time, do they suffer from this issue as well?

BTW the machine I have in my sig has been problematic from the start. Un-uniform backlight, display buzzing, fans buzzing, graphics card randomly died, now the mic has randomly died. Granted it's been close to 8 years, but man...
 

N3ILA

macrumors member
Sep 5, 2013
43
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Pleasant Prairie, WI.
I believe the reason why some of us are having issues with either yellow blotches, tinge, tint or any thing that's overly yellow where it shouldn't be is due to the yellow phosphor coating.

How LEDs Produce White Light
Conventional Method 2: The Phosphor Method

The Phosphor white method produces white light in a single LED by combining a short wavelength LED such as blue or UV, and a yellow phosphor coating. The blue or UV photons generated in the LED either travels through the phosphor layer without alteration, or they are converted into yellow photons in the phosphor layer. The combinations of the blue and yellow photons combine to generate white light. In some modules, the yellow phosphor is remote.

Phosphor white offers much better color rendering than RGB white, often on a par with florescent sources. Phosphor white light is also much more efficient than RGB white. Because of its superior efficient and color rendering (typically Ra70 to 85), phosphor white is the most commonly used method of producing white light with LED's. Whilst color rendering is good in the pastel shades, the spectral density is not close to daylight and there are problems rendering the more saturated colors such as red (R9). Read more about this in the section on color rendering

In a typical phosphor white manufacturing process, a phosphor coating is deposited on the LED die. The exact shade or color temperature of white light produced by the LED is determined by the dominant wavelength of the blue LED and the composition of the phosphor.

The thickness of the phosphor coating produces variations in the color temperature of the LED. Manufacturers attempt to minimize the color variations by controlling the thickness and composition of the phosphor layer during manufacturing.

Over time, the blue die and the yellow phosphor will degrade. This results in the delivered light shifting in color. It will also produce unexpected colors if the device is operated at a different current or operating temperature.

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MacBook Pro Retina Display Teardown

Just with the phosphor coating in mind in my opinion could be the cause of the two issues below.

Uniform screen but overly yellow - phosphor coating is too thick

Bottom half of screen yellow while the top portion is uniform - Could be caused by many things.

  1. Phosphor coating is too thick on a few of the leds, leading to yellow blotches.
  2. Phosphor coating not covering the entire led.
  3. Yellow stains on one of the diffuser or prism films.

more info about LEDs and the phosphor layer

Some snippets of info from the above link

Color quality is determined by the amount of phosphor and its distribution over the LED

Phosphor coating and remote phosphor technologies are aiming for less binder and more uniformity by spraying phosphor with minimal binder on die surface or optics surface. The thin phosphor layer thus is formulated on die or optics.

Achieving uniform spray thickness is a key challenge.

In spraying processes the silicone/binder/solvent/phosphor combination is typically a low viscosity (<100 cps) mixture. The chemistry challenge is to keep the phosphor dispersion in suspension and in a uniform mixed. Special conformal coating spray applicators with a combination of process techniques and masks provide the uniform coatings.

Even more info about Light emitting diodes aka LEDs
 
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ThisIsNotMe

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Aug 11, 2008
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Been using my rMBP for a couple of weeks and didn't see any issues.
Had to boot up my oMBP to grab a file and instantly saw the 'coolness' of the display vs how warm the rMBP display is.

Ugh! Back to the Apple Store....worse than the DMV.
 

Shmanky

macrumors regular
Jul 26, 2005
245
7
Toronto
Been using my rMBP for a couple of weeks and didn't see any issues.
Had to boot up my oMBP to grab a file and instantly saw the 'coolness' of the display vs how warm the rMBP display is.

Ugh! Back to the Apple Store....worse than the DMV.

Can you post a photograph? Are you returning it because it's warm?
 

SimonFi

macrumors newbie
Oct 27, 2013
27
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Hi guys,

Apples "quality" is really driving me crazy. I bought a 15" rMBP back in late October and got one with a creaking case. So I called Apple and they sent me a new machine. Unfortunately the case of that one was even worse. It was literally impossible to pick it up without hearing a very loud clicking/creaking.
All two machines had a perfect(!) display.

After complaining about Apples low quality premium priced products they assured me to send me a new one which will be checked before it leaves factory. And here it is. No creaking, pretty solid case... BUT half of the display has a greenish tint (maybe that's what some people here call backlight bleeding?).

How would you guys proceed? There is no way for me to sent this machine in for repair since it is my main computer which I make my living with. I also don't want to play the case lottery anymore.
But I also can't accept a crappy screen for 3000€...

Is there a way to get a screen repair at a local Apple store within a few hours on a Saturday? That would basically be the only option I have.

My second question would be if Samsung still makes the "good" screens? My first two machines had both Samsung displays (which were perfect). This one has a LG display...

P.S.: What apple is doing to their "pro" customers is really annoying. I really think this was my last apple computer :(

Simon
 

fpsphil

macrumors member
Nov 30, 2008
94
1
Im still on the fence wether to return mine or not, my machine has 0 creeks but the yellowed display, not sure if i want to trade off one or the other, might keep using it for a week to see how it feels after that, maybe ill get used to the yellow and just move on with life like i did on my 09 27inch iMac
 

Quu

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Apr 2, 2007
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Received my 5th unit this afternoon and this one seems good. The screen has no visible yellowing anywhere and the whole display temperature appears perfect with whites that are white. No shifts towards yellow at all.

The screen has no dark shadows, no backlight bleeding, no yellowing, the case has no creaking, the keyboard is fine, the lid is perfectly centred to the base, no blemishes in the case at all.

I have to admit the excitement of getting one is totally destroyed due to all the problems I've had to go through to get what was advertised but I am satisfied with this unit.
 

Baadshah

macrumors 6502
Sep 14, 2008
283
0
Copenhagen
Received my 5th unit this afternoon and this one seems good. The screen has no visible yellowing anywhere and the whole display temperature appears perfect with whites that are white. No shifts towards yellow at all.

The screen has no dark shadows, no backlight bleeding, no yellowing, the case has no creaking, the keyboard is fine, the lid is perfectly centred to the base, no blemishes in the case at all.

I have to admit the excitement of getting one is totally destroyed due to all the problems I've had to go through to get what was advertised but I am satisfied with this unit.

Good to hear that you finally got a perfect version. What is the fifth letter? Want to buy one, but is scared of getting yellow screen or l creaking.
 

Quu

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Apr 2, 2007
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Good to hear that you finally got a perfect version. What is the fifth letter? Want to buy one, but is scared of getting yellow screen or l creaking.

The 5th letter of my serial code? It is V.

Also I just wanted to note that none of the five units I received ever had the creaking base. So based on that in my opinion that issue is not as widespread as the yellowing. But you know your mileage may vary maybe I just got lucky.
 
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Shmanky

macrumors regular
Jul 26, 2005
245
7
Toronto
Received my 5th unit this afternoon and this one seems good. The screen has no visible yellowing anywhere and the whole display temperature appears perfect with whites that are white. No shifts towards yellow at all.

The screen has no dark shadows, no backlight bleeding, no yellowing, the case has no creaking, the keyboard is fine, the lid is perfectly centred to the base, no blemishes in the case at all.

I have to admit the excitement of getting one is totally destroyed due to all the problems I've had to go through to get what was advertised but I am satisfied with this unit.

I'd like to see some data about the screen like comparison photographs or colour uniformity measurements using a calibrator.
 

Quu

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Apr 2, 2007
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Btw here is the code of my panel: LP154WT1-SJE1

This appears to be an LG. For me my 1st model was an LG, yellow. The other three I had were Samsung. This new LG has the whitest whites of all the ones I received. A lot whiter than any of the Samsungs.

I would do colour tests but I sold my Spyder4Elite after I returned my last notebook. I could take a photo with my iPhone 5 but I really don't feel those tests are accurate.
 

Shmanky

macrumors regular
Jul 26, 2005
245
7
Toronto
Btw here is the code of my panel: LP154WT1-SJE1

This appears to be an LG. For me my 1st model was an LG, yellow. The other three I had were Samsung. This new LG has the whitest whites of all the ones I received. A lot whiter than any of the Samsungs.

I also have a LP154WT1-SJE1 and it's very yellow and muddy around the edges. I find that you can't assume anything about whether or not a screen will be yellow based on its model number. I've seen yellow Samsungs and yellow LGs; and white Samsungs and white LGs. The only question is whether image retention is exclusively an LG problem.
 

Quu

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Apr 2, 2007
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I also have a LP154WT1-SJE1 and it's very yellow and muddy around the edges. I find that you can't assume anything about whether or not a screen will be yellow based on its model number. I've seen yellow Samsungs and yellow LGs; and white Samsungs and white LGs. The only question is whether image retention is exclusively an LG problem.

No I know, I've said that plenty of times in this thread that the display panel doesn't matter with regards to the yellow tint issue.

But I don't have any image retention on this model. Not yet anyway. ;)
 

Shmanky

macrumors regular
Jul 26, 2005
245
7
Toronto
No I know, I've said that plenty of times in this thread that the display panel doesn't matter with regards to the yellow tint issue.

But I don't have any image retention on this model. Not yet anyway. ;)

Does your Apple logo on the cover glow pure white or is there any pink?
 

tubbymac

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Nov 6, 2008
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The screen has no dark shadows, no backlight bleeding, no yellowing, the case has no creaking, the keyboard is fine, the lid is perfectly centred to the base, no blemishes in the case at all.

Congrats, sounds like my previous 2012 model. Nearly perfect in every way. My 2013 isn't bad, but the case creak is irritating. What really bugs me is that I have a "smear" or "dark shadow" area about 1/3 the way into my screen from the left. It's near the bottom and I have to avoid looking at anything color critical in that area when doing Photoshop, etc. I need to scroll everything to a different part of the screen if I want it unblemished from the smear.

I really don't have the time to go through 5 replacements though. I am really hoping Apple has tightened up their quality assurance by the time I can get to an Apple Store.
 

Sketchr

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Jun 15, 2009
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the yellow screen problem is what is keeping me from pulling the trigger on the 15 inch version with dgpu :(

Received my 15 inch model with no yellow. I returned the first one due to a significant dent in the bottom right out of box. But that one was also white. Both had/have Samsung screens.
 

fpsphil

macrumors member
Nov 30, 2008
94
1
quick question for you guys, what was the manufacture week on ur guy's laptops, I've decided to take mine back and I'm going to ask for the highest production week serial number they have in the back
 

samuelk0814

macrumors member
Feb 14, 2011
81
3
Btw here is the code of my panel: LP154WT1-SJE1

This appears to be an LG. For me my 1st model was an LG, yellow. The other three I had were Samsung. This new LG has the whitest whites of all the ones I received. A lot whiter than any of the Samsungs.

I would do colour tests but I sold my Spyder4Elite after I returned my last notebook. I could take a photo with my iPhone 5 but I really don't feel those tests are accurate.

Could you post a pic of your screen... I know it's not accurate but still
 

everfangomanga

macrumors member
Jul 12, 2008
59
0
Osaka, Japan
After a few days of playing around with mine, I definitely noticed the yellow tint. It's completely uniform though and I don't notice it unless I am comparing it side by side with another monitor, or have been using another monitor for a long time and switch back to the rmbp. I think I'm gonna keep it though because everything else is top notch.
 

Starfyre

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Nov 7, 2010
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Btw here is the code of my panel: LP154WT1-SJE1

This appears to be an LG. For me my 1st model was an LG, yellow. The other three I had were Samsung. This new LG has the whitest whites of all the ones I received. A lot whiter than any of the Samsungs.

I would do colour tests but I sold my Spyder4Elite after I returned my last notebook. I could take a photo with my iPhone 5 but I really don't feel those tests are accurate.

If you go to macrumors on your iPhone 5 and put the screen side by side with your new Macbook Pro, can you tell a difference between the "warmness" of the whites?
 

Quu

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Apr 2, 2007
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If you go to macrumors on your iPhone 5 and put the screen side by side with your new Macbook Pro, can you tell a difference between the "warmness" of the whites?

I can and I would say that the iPhone is slightly warmer. In-fact every display I have is slightly warmer than the 15" rMBP. This wasn't the case with my other rMBP that I returned.

Needless to say I'm really happy with this one. Doesn't have any dead pixels or backlight bleeding either. But then I'm usually lucky in that regard my iPad Air doesn't have backlight bleeding or bad pixels either.
 

Jerz

macrumors regular
Dec 21, 2013
144
299
Boston, MA
I can and I would say that the iPhone is slightly warmer. In-fact every display I have is slightly warmer than the 15" rMBP. This wasn't the case with my other rMBP that I returned.

Needless to say I'm really happy with this one. Doesn't have any dead pixels or backlight bleeding either. But then I'm usually lucky in that regard my iPad Air doesn't have backlight bleeding or bad pixels either.

pic please ty
 
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