They don't dim as quickly as CCFL, but in my experience they still dim over time. LG manufactures the vast majority of IPS panels. It actually surprised me to see Samsung come up with the rmbps.
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Yellow tint on Haswell rMBP 15"
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They don't dim as quickly as CCFL, but in my experience they still dim over time. LG manufactures the vast majority of IPS panels. It actually surprised me to see Samsung come up with the rmbps.
The thing is, is there a single one Retina Macbook which doesn't have this problem? I replaced my screen 3 times, I'm now eligible for a machine replacement, but I don't know if it's worth. Maybe I'll get a worse unit with other issues.
As my rMBP is the early-2013 one, maybe they'd send me a late-2013 model, but it's not guaranteed as they may still have some early-2013 refurbs for exchanging. In my case, the better scenario would be they giving me a late-2013 model with a discrete gpu (probably with a yellow-tinted display). The worst case would be getting a refurb early-2013 model with a worse screen and perhaps other issues.
If colors matter to you, return it while you can.
I owned a 2012 15" rMBP which had a perfect (Samsung) screen. Decided I wanted a 13" model and ended up going through five models - all A018 screen and all had image retention. I then decided to go with a 15" model so ordered the base model from Apple. Came with A022 screen and screen was fairly even but did not seem as sharp as my 2012 model, so I returned it and ordered the 15"/2.3/16/512 after speaking with Apple (was told better chance of less issue with screen).
I received it on Friday, and it had an LG screen (week six 2014 build). Immediately, I noticed how dim and yellow the display was and arranged to return it (getting collected tomorrow). The rep on the phone wanted me to take a replacement, but I requested a refund.
Decided to purchase the same model locally and I am happy to say that the screen is very good (Samsung screen). I put the LG and Samsung models side-by-side on Friday night and there is a HUGE difference. The Samsung is brighter and whiter compared to the LG. I calibrated the LG to get similar colours of the Samsung, but the screen dimness and yellow is still noticeable.
Anyway, I'm keeping the model with the Samsung screen.
I received it on Friday, and it had an LG screen (week six 2014 build). Immediately, I noticed how dim and yellow the display was and arranged to return it (getting collected tomorrow). The rep on the phone wanted me to take a replacement, but I requested a refund.
Decided to purchase the same model locally and I am happy to say that the screen is very good (Samsung screen). I put the LG and Samsung models side-by-side on Friday night and there is a HUGE difference. The Samsung is brighter and whiter compared to the LG. I calibrated the LG to get similar colours of the Samsung, but the screen dimness and yellow is still noticeable.
Anyway, I'm keeping the model with the Samsung screen.
Do the Apple people say anything when you complain about image retention or yellowing? Do they say it's normal?
No, they usually say that it is either a rare issue or they haven't heard of it before or apologise that I am returning yet another computer.
I can relate, the Samsung screens do seem a bit whiter and more vibrant than the LGs imho. For the late 2013's. I'm getting a replacement which will more than likely LG so I'll be sure to post comparison shots but there is definitely a difference.
I really don't think we can make generalizations about the brands. I've had 4 displays and I've looked at many other displays. Sometimes the Samsungs are brighter and whiter than LG; sometimes LG is brighter and whiter than Samsung.
(Oh hey, I remember you) Could very well be true. But I went through 5 replacements and all the LGs looked kind of similar. I only had 1 Samsung and it seemed to hit the sweet-spot. But of course I have to get a new screen because of the rubber separating. -.- You can't win.
Rubber separating? I haven't heard of this problem. What is it? The rubber around the edge of the display? It's coming off?
Yes the actual rubber gasket is misaligned and loosening. https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1704822/
It's also sagging. A genius confirmed it as a defect.
at least there is no more ghosting on those revised displays but yellow tint is still there.
I personally only use retina screen when travelling. At home, it is hooked up to Eizo display and I keep dark Spotify window open on it as the second display.
Otherwise, I always see that right hand side of the screen is "more yellow" than the other half but.....this laptop is too good to not to have it
I personally only use retina screen when travelling. At home, it is hooked up to Eizo display and I keep dark Spotify window open on it as the second display.
Otherwise, I always see that right hand side of the screen is "more yellow" than the other half but.....this laptop is too good to not to have it
at least there is no more ghosting on those revised displays but yellow tint is still there.
I personally only use retina screen when travelling. At home, it is hooked up to Eizo display and I keep dark Spotify window open on it as the second display.
Otherwise, I always see that right hand side of the screen is "more yellow" than the other half but.....this laptop is too good to not to have it
I always say that in USA, if a rMBP had a black and white display, it would be still worth buying because $2000,00 is really cheap. The very same model costs around $3700 in Brazil and around $2800 in Europe. So, I think that`s the reason why americans are more relaxed about Apple`s display quality: a Retina Macbook is damn cheap in US, so if it was a displayless device it would be still worth buying.
Had Apple change the display on my third replacement. Came back with about 40 percent red'ish from the right corner towards the center, and 30 percent yellowish from the right corner towards center. In contact with the senior engineer about options. I might just take a refund and wait for Broadwell unless they have some genius solution.
Oh, I also bought an iPad Mini Retina with the same problem, now I have to get that replaced too.
Apple's quality control is getting horrible.
Oh, I also bought an iPad Mini Retina with the same problem, now I have to get that replaced too.
Apple's quality control is getting horrible.
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Trade-off Question for Everyone (White/Even Screen with Bleed)
I've already posted pictures of my display earlier in the thread, but now I want to get the community's suggestion as to whether or not to stay with what I have in hand.
Current Macbook: 15 inch Retina Late 2013 Base
Pros: little to no yellow tint, very white, very bright, relatively even
Cons: Backlight Bleed (See Pic).
Important note: I got this mac at a discount from the newegg ebay selloff a month ago for a "New" mac:
Normal Price before tax from Apple: $1999
My Purchase Price after tax: $1699
The question is, would you accept the backlight-bleed based on the lower price and lack of yellow tint....or....get involved in the exchange/repair loop that people seem to be going through?
As for my own opinion, I definitely notice the backlight bleed and it @$#% me off when I'm watching youtube or netflix, however, based on what everyone else seems to be going through and a few comments that there are no good screens, I'm starting to think I should just hold on to what I have.
Thanks all!
I've already posted pictures of my display earlier in the thread, but now I want to get the community's suggestion as to whether or not to stay with what I have in hand.
Current Macbook: 15 inch Retina Late 2013 Base
Pros: little to no yellow tint, very white, very bright, relatively even
Cons: Backlight Bleed (See Pic).
Important note: I got this mac at a discount from the newegg ebay selloff a month ago for a "New" mac:
Normal Price before tax from Apple: $1999
My Purchase Price after tax: $1699
The question is, would you accept the backlight-bleed based on the lower price and lack of yellow tint....or....get involved in the exchange/repair loop that people seem to be going through?
As for my own opinion, I definitely notice the backlight bleed and it @$#% me off when I'm watching youtube or netflix, however, based on what everyone else seems to be going through and a few comments that there are no good screens, I'm starting to think I should just hold on to what I have.
Thanks all!
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I'd keep it. I'm assuming you have an LG screen and almost all of them have a bleed like that with the slight color tint. Trust me it could be A LOT worse. The yellow tint is nightmare.
I haven't seen any of the 2013s up close apart from those in the Apple Stores. I have seen several 2012 models. Anyway the likelihood of zero backlight bleed is low. I'm curious is it noticeable at normal brightness levels? There's no way the blacks are that bright when you view them normally.
Keep it. You won't get any better, or maybe you will after 15 replacements. it's insane but retina clearly has problems now.
Don't star at the display looking for imperfections - simply use it. It's fantastic machine but the screen
Keep it. You won't get any better, or maybe you will after 15 replacements. it's insane but retina clearly has problems now.
Don't star at the display looking for imperfections - simply use it. It's fantastic machine but the screen
Thanks! I'm glad you said that. I think I'll be keeping it and dealing with the screen. I figure for a bright and white screen, the $300+ I saved on the post tax ticket price should pay for a little discomfort caused by the bleed. I guess 80% of my time is looking at a white screen, i.e. Excel, Access, Mail etc.
I think it's crazy. The whole reason for getting a model with the retina display, is BECAUSE of the display. If the display then has variations of colours/warmth it's in my perspective a defective screen. Get a refund and wait till they solve this problem - that's what I am doing. And I have the exact same issue as you with my screen (read above).
Had it replaced. No more gradual yellow tint towards the bottom. Now, unremarkable ghosting.
I'm keeping it. I am sure there's no perfect screen, only unobservant buyers.
Hi Psychedelia, if I purchased from newegg, I'm guessing the Apple Store won't give me money back, probably just a repair or replacement. In your situation, did the apple genius ppl recognize the screen bleed as defective or did they try to tell you that your screen was within spec and you had to argue with them?
Keep it. You won't get any better, or maybe you will after 15 replacements. it's insane but retina clearly has problems now.
Don't star at the display looking for imperfections - simply use it. It's fantastic machine but the screen
There is a lot of fantastic laptops -- despite the screen. I think people buy a Retina Macbook because of the screen and not despite it.
Not really, there is no more classic MacBook pro without retina display so even if you don't like, you've got to buy it if you are looking for 15" macbook pro.
I didn't buy it for display, but to have desktop power within the laptop chassis. I'm using external Eizo screen anyway.
If it wasn't the screen I would've bought something like a cheaper Dell Inspiron equipped with a 750M GPU and even upgrading it with a SSD and 16GB ram it would be still way cheaper than a rMBP. Another option would be a Lenovo y510p, equipped with dual 750M GPUs (actually I need more GPU/CUDA power than CPU).
The screen was mainly a hobby bonus because I like editing pictures. I still take pictures with analog cameras, scanning them later on my Nikon film scanner. Paying an extra tax for a Retina display was a real money wasting to me.