Your Samsung screen certainly appears more uniform than the LG, judging by the two last pictures.
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Yellow tint on Haswell rMBP 15"
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Your Samsung screen certainly appears more uniform than the LG, judging by the two last pictures.
I probably should of clarified, the white levels seem much more uniform on the LG. When it comes to a black background the Samsung does have an edge because there isn't the color tinting. It's not major in person, they both have a very slight backlight bleed but isn't too noticable in most situations.
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I have a new display problem with strange pixels. It's not stuck pixels; it's not muras; it's a bizarre pattern of pixels. I have attached two photographs below. Has anyone seen this before or can guess its cause? Here are some notes:
— They appear in the lower-left corner
— They are very difficult to see on full white or full black; they are best seen on a dark colour like dark brown or dark blue
— They are fixed relative to the physical display and don't move when I slide horizontally with Mission Control
— I've been using screen cleaning wipes and they started appearing after I started using the wipes; I will stop using the wipes to see if it goes away
— The display is on a 15" Retina MacBook Pro late 2013 Haswell LP154WT1-SJE1 A019 which has a medium degree of overall yellow tint with a yellow blotch in the lower left and a blue region in the lower middle and I run it at 7500 K
— I have not been in to the Genius Bar yet
— I've had this display since November 2013 and I've only noticed it in the past 2 weeks; I'm sure it wasn't there from the beginning
— They don't go away after a reboot
— It's not something physical on the screen; I've tried wiping it off
— I haven't been abusive to the display or hit or damaged it
— They appear in the lower-left corner
— They are very difficult to see on full white or full black; they are best seen on a dark colour like dark brown or dark blue
— They are fixed relative to the physical display and don't move when I slide horizontally with Mission Control
— I've been using screen cleaning wipes and they started appearing after I started using the wipes; I will stop using the wipes to see if it goes away
— The display is on a 15" Retina MacBook Pro late 2013 Haswell LP154WT1-SJE1 A019 which has a medium degree of overall yellow tint with a yellow blotch in the lower left and a blue region in the lower middle and I run it at 7500 K
— I have not been in to the Genius Bar yet
— I've had this display since November 2013 and I've only noticed it in the past 2 weeks; I'm sure it wasn't there from the beginning
— They don't go away after a reboot
— It's not something physical on the screen; I've tried wiping it off
— I haven't been abusive to the display or hit or damaged it
Definitely take that to apple, its not normal. I do find it odd that they just all randomly appeared at once though
I've had three 15" Retinas and a couple 13" Retinas. All three of the 15" are a bit uneven as far a backlighting goes, compared to the 13", probably because there's more room to be uneven. Duh.
I also have been noticing uneven backlighting on a lot of Samsung desktop monitors, some worse than others.
It's a curiosity. If it doesn't interfere with Video, Graphics, entertainment usage, than I don't see what the problem would be (unless i'm overly sensitive)
I wouldn't return anything unless I would be totally comfortable knowing that the tech person at an Apple store would agree with me completely (assuming they are reasonable). All three of the 15" don't fall into this category. However, some of those Samsung desktop monitors are real dogs, which is surprising maybe
I also have been noticing uneven backlighting on a lot of Samsung desktop monitors, some worse than others.
It's a curiosity. If it doesn't interfere with Video, Graphics, entertainment usage, than I don't see what the problem would be (unless i'm overly sensitive)
I wouldn't return anything unless I would be totally comfortable knowing that the tech person at an Apple store would agree with me completely (assuming they are reasonable). All three of the 15" don't fall into this category. However, some of those Samsung desktop monitors are real dogs, which is surprising maybe
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I got my 15 rMBpro fully loaded two month ago, works perfect, no probe with the screen.
Slightly yellow if you compare it to my older non retina, but since you can set temperature in System Prefs. no problems at all.
Love the computer, the best Apple ever produced.
I was lucky to get an iPad Air as well with even screen after two exchanges.
So I keep what I have now for a long time!
My screen is:
Color LCD
LP154WT1-SJE1
DCN352102E4FF0NBH
Color LCD
I got my 15 rMBpro fully loaded two month ago, works perfect, no probe with the screen.
Slightly yellow if you compare it to my older non retina, but since you can set temperature in System Prefs. no problems at all.
Love the computer, the best Apple ever produced.
I was lucky to get an iPad Air as well with even screen after two exchanges.
So I keep what I have now for a long time!
My screen is:
Color LCD
LP154WT1-SJE1
DCN352102E4FF0NBH
Color LCD
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So for the sake of it I'll, post my observations with these screens...I went through 6 replacements and have experienced 6 different screens. Maybe it will add some insight somewhere.
Samsung (had 1 screen)
- White's aren't as white as white as LG (but still really white
- The fonts seem a bit smoother, I haven't heard anyone compare this yet but if I look closely the fonts on my Samsung definitely have an edge
- More vibrant(?)
- Pretty uniform backlight bleed +- small areas
- Bottom right seemed to look a bit dirty/yellow
- In comparison to the LG it appears to have a yellow tint, but standalone you don't notice it
- SLIGHTLY brighter but just about on the same level as the LG screens
- Better viewing angles
LG Screens (had 5)
Surprisingly there was a big range in my LG screens. All of them were the same model too, LP154WT1-SJE1 but generally:
- Whites were whiter
- They have the magenta right hand corner when viewed at a certain angle. Some screens were worse than others
- Some screens had some bad backlight bleed, some didn't
- Contrast is slightly better and colors seem more accurate
Right now on my laptop that is practically flawless, the whites have been the whitest I've seen in any LG or Samsung display. I've attached some photos comparing the two. You can be the judge.
<<Samsung on the left || LG on the right >>
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<< LG on the left || Samsung on the right >>
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ETA - for some reason it makes both screens look a bit duller than what they are, sorry that's my camera.
When did you buy your most recent 15-inch Haswell? Do you think the screens' issues are fixed by now?
I got this one last week, it has a build date of the 2nd week in January and the display is flawless.
Barney
Thank you for your answer! Did you buy yours from a physical Apple Store, or did you buy it online?
Hi guys, here is my experience:
Hi guys, here is my experience:
Bought my first Macbook Pro Retina in February 2014 (15-inch, 2.6 GHz, 512GB, German keyboard layout). Till today I havent found a single good screen.
I am currently using a Macbook Pro 2011 (non-retina, non-glossy) with an LG Screen that looks amazing in color and contrast and backlight strength.
I went through nine Retina machines all together. They all shipped directly from the chinese vendor to the US. I had amazing help from a shopping assistant at Luvocracy that dealt directly with Apple and took care of the shipping and re-ordering process. Apple sent me a pair of free headphones after the 7th bad screen. I also once had a phone call with a lead service representative at Apple and he pretty much admitted that Apple has no control over the quality of the screen and that this is an ongoing issue.
The main problem is certainly the wide variety of image quality you receive on those screens.
The Samsung screens tend to be more uniform in their backlight support. Sadly they come with a more yellow native-white coloring that makes them hard to be used for graphic design. Grays turn out to me more brownish and reds more orange. You cant really fix this problem by using an external calibration and measuring device and creating a color profile (which I tried). The native white tone cant get any whiter (in this case less yellow) than what the screen offers.
Most of the Samsung screens varied widely how intense those yellowish colors appeared. Some of them were terribly yellow, others were not uniform and more yellow in the top or bottom parts and should in my opinion not be shipped out to customers.
non-uniform Samsung screen. Notice the different grays that look brownish in different areas.
Two of them had LG screens that seem to have much better native-whites. Sadly one of them had a purple area on the top left and a yellowish area in the right bottom. Both did not show any kind of image retention so I assume the latest LG screens (late 2013) dont have this issue anymore.
non-uniform LG screen with strong purple on the top left part and yellow tint in the bottom right area.
The most perfect screen I received was actually an LG screen. Sadly Apple messed up my order to include a 3D graphics card in that Macbook and I had to return it again. It was sad because that screen was truly amazing looking and totally uniform.
I do recommend the LG screens if they are uniform. The whiter native-white ensures better calibration options.
After my 9th return Apple did not allow anymore exchanges and offered a repair instead. I declined since it makes it impossible to return the machine with a full refund in case Apple installs another yellowish Samsung screen that might be ok by their standards but not by mine.
As other folks have described it the problem comes down that you dont have the option to select upfront an LG or Samsung screen. It also doesnt look like there is any good quality control happening on Apple's side in regards to screen quality.
I would not recommend at this time to buy a $2700,- Macbook Pro Retina. Especially if the screen costs more than one grand and is supposed to be the killer feature and big reason to buy it. The Retina display reduces glare while maintaining incredible color and quality. - I may disagree with that statement.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Hi guys, here is my experience:
Bought my first Macbook Pro Retina in February 2014 (15-inch, 2.6 GHz, 512GB, German keyboard layout). Till today I havent found a single good screen.
I am currently using a Macbook Pro 2011 (non-retina, non-glossy) with an LG Screen that looks amazing in color and contrast and backlight strength.
I went through nine Retina machines all together. They all shipped directly from the chinese vendor to the US. I had amazing help from a shopping assistant at Luvocracy that dealt directly with Apple and took care of the shipping and re-ordering process. Apple sent me a pair of free headphones after the 7th bad screen. I also once had a phone call with a lead service representative at Apple and he pretty much admitted that Apple has no control over the quality of the screen and that this is an ongoing issue.
The main problem is certainly the wide variety of image quality you receive on those screens.
The Samsung screens tend to be more uniform in their backlight support. Sadly they come with a more yellow native-white coloring that makes them hard to be used for graphic design. Grays turn out to me more brownish and reds more orange. You cant really fix this problem by using an external calibration and measuring device and creating a color profile (which I tried). The native white tone cant get any whiter (in this case less yellow) than what the screen offers.
Most of the Samsung screens varied widely how intense those yellowish colors appeared. Some of them were terribly yellow, others were not uniform and more yellow in the top or bottom parts and should in my opinion not be shipped out to customers.
non-uniform Samsung screen. Notice the different grays that look brownish in different areas.
Two of them had LG screens that seem to have much better native-whites. Sadly one of them had a purple area on the top left and a yellowish area in the right bottom. Both did not show any kind of image retention so I assume the latest LG screens (late 2013) dont have this issue anymore.
non-uniform LG screen with strong purple on the top left part and yellow tint in the bottom right area.
The most perfect screen I received was actually an LG screen. Sadly Apple messed up my order to include a 3D graphics card in that Macbook and I had to return it again. It was sad because that screen was truly amazing looking and totally uniform.
I do recommend the LG screens if they are uniform. The whiter native-white ensures better calibration options.
After my 9th return Apple did not allow anymore exchanges and offered a repair instead. I declined since it makes it impossible to return the machine with a full refund in case Apple installs another yellowish Samsung screen that might be ok by their standards but not by mine.
As other folks have described it the problem comes down that you dont have the option to select upfront an LG or Samsung screen. It also doesnt look like there is any good quality control happening on Apple's side in regards to screen quality.
I would not recommend at this time to buy a $2700,- Macbook Pro Retina. Especially if the screen costs more than one grand and is supposed to be the killer feature and big reason to buy it. The Retina display reduces glare while maintaining incredible color and quality. - I may disagree with that statement.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
You're right... I hope Apple will solve the issue within the 3-year window while my rMBP is covered by Apple Care. Then I could ask for a screen replacement, maybe.
Out of curiosity, where did the external colorimeter measure the white point in terms of temperature? I'm assuming it's a newer one, at least from the last 3 or so years. Some of the LG panels are colder than sRGB, which isn't really a benefit for graphic design. I think with some of the ones where people feel they're really yellow, they may not be tracking well into the greys. That's why I'm wondering how the white point measured, as it's always measured at full brightness relative to that hardware brightness / backlight setting.
There are yellow LG screens too even if they are uniform. My current rMBP (Samsung screens) beats 12 rMBP I have tested in the Apple store in terms of uniformity, whiteness and backlight bleeding. I'd just say stick with a good screen because Samsung has great screens too.
Btw, there will never be 100% perfect screen in a Retina Macbook Pro. If you want such screens, the price of the rMBP will be higher since only the most expensive screens can offer that. That's also the difference between most consumer screens and high end screens.
The problem with this is we want a Macintosh. Apple is the only company selling notebooks that come with OS X.
So what are our options as Mac owners? Get a MacBook Air or a MacBook Pro. That's it. There is no Pro display option offered by Apple so we are stuck with their Prosumer range of MacBook Pro's which have these horrible screen problems.
If Apple gave us the option to pay like £250 more for a guaranteed perfect display I would pay it but no such option is provided to us.
These quality control issues are the kind of thing that pushes customers away from Apple and back into the Windows world where if one manufacturer releases a crap laptop you can just go to one of the other 100 manufacturers and see what they are offering instead.
Apple really needs to fix this problem.
Sure, happy to answer:
I used an i1DisplayPro http://www.xrite.com/i1display-pro and tried to get it to the white point to D65 (thats about 6500 K, pretty standard) as well as trying to use the native white point as the D65 came out too extreme in the blues due to the yellowish nature of the screen.
I measured the luminance with the highest brightness of the screen as thats the setting I mostly run with when I am working at my office in day-light.
Hope that helps, please let me know if you have any other questions.
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That's correct. As I pointed out 2 of my screens were LG and one of them had yellowish areas. The other one was perfect but Apple screwed up the order and sent me one without a 3D graphics card.
I'd be happy to pay for extra quality testing if I can get a screen that works for my professional life. The only other option you have is to plug-in an external monitor and that makes the purpose of having a laptop kind of obsolete.
I have the same colorimeter. I was just wondering what it read when set to native. I have a couple displays. For reference set to native my 2011 17" macbook pro reads roughly 8000K. If I place it next to either of the other screens, they will look yellow by comparison, but I don't think that's the problem here. I have noticed many of the macbook pro screens don't track as well as I would like from the bright whites into the greyish tones. I was mostly wondering if the white point set to native measured below 6500K or so, or if it was more an issue of greyscale tracking. I've played around with the retina models a bit, but I haven't spent enough time with them. The problem with trying to adjust the white point via software is that the controls for doing so are much too coarse and limiting to produce good results.
This saga is only going to come to an end when:
1) Apple stops using Samsung as a supplier for the screens -- which I suspect is going to happen sooner rather than later, since the two companies seem to really have it out for each other these days
2) Apple moves to IGZO tech in their LCDs. The iPad Air screen is a masterpiece compared to any rMBP 15" screen i've used.
I am keeping my fingers crossed that this happens in the next revision, otherwise... I guess it is on to the XPS15
I agree it would be nice if all displays had perfect uniformity, perfect whites and perfect backlight bleeding. But I'm afraid it would cost more than £250 extra. The rMBP is a mass produced item with mass produced components so I don't see it happening. There doesn't exist a rMBP that has perfect whites, perfect uniformity and perfect backlight bleeding so I wouldn't bother trying to play the exchange game hoping you get one.
The rMBP display is still the best display I have seen on a laptop so far.
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The problem is that it isn't the best display any longer -- take a look at the Dell XPS 15, and prepare to be shocked. Higher resolution. Brighter. More uniform -- and importantly -- their quality control is apparently good, so the screen isn't a total crapshoot. (Of course, windows 8 is awful and the high DPI is wasted on it.)
I have to believe that behind the scenes, Apple is working to rid themselves of their existing LCD suppliers, as it is the suppliers that have caused this issue from the beginning.
This saga is only going to come to an end when:
1) Apple stops using Samsung as a supplier for the screens -- which I suspect is going to happen sooner rather than later, since the two companies seem to really have it out for each other these days
2) Apple moves to IGZO tech in their LCDs. The iPad Air screen is a masterpiece compared to any rMBP 15" screen i've used.
I am keeping my fingers crossed that this happens in the next revision, otherwise... I guess it is on to the XPS15
I read that the iPad Air has serious display issues too. So I'm not sure if IGZO tech is the answer.
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I haven't seen this Dell yet. I hope it does offer better displays and that Apple will respond to it (within 3 years hopefully when I'm going to replace this current machine
). My display is pretty good though but not 100% perfect.
I disagree completely and I have seen better displays on a laptop. It's funny the TN display on my 17" MacBook Pro is more uniform and gets a higher rating than the rMBP screen did when I tested it with a calibrator. I've had five rMBP, all crap screens.
The Dell XPS and the new Razer have screens that are both higher resolution and no complaints about colour reproduction or uniformity on those.
From what we know based on part tear downs Apple pays about $130 for the 15" rMBP display. That's just £76 - I think £250 is more than reasonable (3.3x the cost of the display) to get a good one.
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The Dell XPS 15 screen is truly amazing - much better than the rMBP. But, the rMBP wins in a number other areas. It's a close call between the two, but like you say, if the rMBP was £200 more expensive and had a better screen I would still buy it. That said the rMBP screen is still good. I do not agree with people who say it is crap.
The screen on my refurb 15 inch rMBP - late 2013 model (arrived today via UPS) is superb. No yellowish tint. No ghosting. I am still getting over just how amazing the screen looks. I may have to revise my opinion on the XPS 15 having a better screen. My jaw is still on the floor looking at the rMBP's screen right now.
IGZO isn't a panel type. It isn't an implementation. It's a construction material, and some of the IP on how it might be used is part of what is licensed. There really is no way to make such an assertion at this point.