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Carlanga

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I don’t think Mac apps on the iPad or merging macOS and iPadOS aren’t ever going to be a thing, and Windows 10’s tablet mode provides a very good reason for keeping the two OSes separate. If people really expected Mac apps on the iPad (or even the iPhone), then, of course, they were going to be disappointed. The experience would be disappointing if they did!
Why would the experience be disappointing? Mouse vs touch support is the only real difference atm. Win tablet mode sucks because it didn’t run full windows. Arm win sucks as well in terms of virtualization etc. Apple killed it w Rosetta 2. I own a win rt and still works, but so limited. IMO MBA will go the way of the dodo in 2gens.
 

jcshas

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Looks like there are some pretty cool features coming to iPad OS this fall which I'm eager to try on my 2020 12.9 IPP, but I'm still super happy I decided to pick up an M1 MacBook Air vs. upgrading to the M1 IPP.
 

Kylo83

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Looks like there are some pretty cool features coming to iPad OS this fall which I'm eager to try on my 2020 12.9 IPP, but I'm still super happy I decided to pick up an M1 MacBook Air vs. upgrading to the M1 IPP.
What’s cool, widgets and App Library
 
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Deliro

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Interesting thought. I'm a retired S/W & H/W engineer and I had 175 engineers on the team I was leading on a complex system development and I've thought about how difficult my job would be under lockdown.

For everyone hating on Apple and the lack of exciting changes just take a moment to consider the radical shift we’ve had to face in major facets of our lives. Work. Personal. The fear and uncertainty early on in the pandemic.

With all that shifting your workforce to a work from home model is a major shift and productivity would suffer as adjustments are made. Remember employees at apple are human beings, not robots. They didn’t just keep the GO mode work mindset on. There was probably quite a bit of downtime.

Apple was equipped better than most companies for this type of shift. Others not so much. Working from home required an investment and infrastructure changes to accommodate this new way of doing things. Companies scrambled and pivoted often.

So there is little surprise that output this year is down and “underwhelming”. Again these are people not robots.
 

muzzy996

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Feb 16, 2018
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Universal control demo had me excited briefly . . reminded me of Symless Synergy at first . . then I snapped back to reality - as a corporate employee in my line of work, no matter how many features/functions Apple adds to iOS/iPadOS/MacOS there is no way I will ever move away from needing to work within a Windows environment. I will never be able to seamlessly interact with iOS devices from within windows etc. Unless Apple embraces the fact that not everyone can move over to Apple's ecosystem and start developing applications/APIs to bridge the gap, their market share will continue to be limited to those who can. This fact doesn't mean that I won't purchase Apple devices, but it does dull the shine of certain features for someone like myself.

I'm excited for some of the things iPadOS 15 will bring but unless it bogs down my 2017 12.9" iPP I don't know if I need to upgrade my hardware just yet.
 
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kc9hzn

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Why would the experience be disappointing? Mouse vs touch support is the only real difference atm. Win tablet mode sucks because it didn’t run full windows. Arm win sucks as well in terms of virtualization etc. Apple killed it w Rosetta 2. I own a win rt and still works, but so limited. IMO MBA will go the way of the dodo in 2gens.
Design language, mostly. Touch works entirely different than a mouse cursor, click targets need to be considerably larger on a touch screen based device, contextual menus and drop down menus don’t make sense in a touch context, either. Plus, macOS is very much a legacy way of designing and structuring interactivity that doesn’t make sense on a device that doesn’t include a mouse by default. That’s the thing, an iPad bundled with a mouse is just a laptop with a virtual keyboard, while an iPad without a mouse by default is something else entirely. The iPad is increasingly a device that lets you use a keyboard, a mouse, a stylus, if it makes sense for your current task but not require you to carry them if you don’t need it for the task. Mac apps on iOS would require a mouse, they’re not designed for touch. If they were designed for touch, they would already be iPad apps. It seems what people on MacRumors seem to want is just a touch screen Mac (sans keyboard), but (despite liking Macs), I actually like that the iPad isn’t a Mac.
 

Deliro

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You only need idea people to be together at most. Coders/testers/etc work from their own computer so the only difference is being in their more relaxed clothing at home.
I’m a coder. I work with very large teams. The notion that efficient coding is done by folks zoned in at home is not applicable for all types of environments. When you have multiple engineers working on say a game engine and submitting and checking in code it does help to have those working on the same product physically accessible or within earshot. Not saying you can’t have conf or video calls going, but that just brings another layer.

Sure a siloed coder working on their own project it doesn’t really matter.
 

Flabasha

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Dec 21, 2011
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We can now make and submit apps directly from iPad now. It may or may not be the full blown xCode we were hoping for (we'll have to wait for actual reviews on the final version this fall to see where it lands), but that's a huge step forward.


Let's see...Face ID, USB C, bezel less design, 5G, need I go on?
Eh, as the owner of both a 2017 and 2020 iPad Pro, I’d say they’re extremely similar. The newer model is smaller, but Face ID sucks compared to the fingerprint sensor. User experience is exactly the same for me, except the added hassle of Face ID.
 

zakarhino

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If they really wanted to make a pro statement they should have announced a full blown Xcode, Final Cut, or Logic Pro X port for iPadOS instead of whatever mods they've made to Swift Playgrounds.
 

angus99

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Oct 12, 2011
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At the BARE MIMIUM full screen display on an external monitor. IF they gave us that, a lot of the noise you are hearing now would go away. That alone is half way to a desktop replacement in a tablet form.
+1 full screen support and proper file management was all I was really after, thunderbolt port seems pointless with out these features. If Samsung can do this with inferior hardware, why can’t apple. Some better office apps would also be a bonus.
 
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macphoto861

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So we can put a brave face on it. But the reality is that the M1 Ipad exists basically because of economies of scale in chip production - rather than they had any special plans that would need it. Otherwise, why not make an A series X chip.
Why add the RAM then?
 
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251920

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With these "innovations" even the regular iPad 2020 will b sufficient! All that power in the Pro's and no real way 2 use it.((
 

kc9hzn

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I’m a coder. I work with very large teams. The notion that efficient coding is done by folks zoned in at home is not applicable for all types of environments. When you have multiple engineers working on say a game engine and submitting and checking in code it does help to have those working on the same product physically accessible or within earshot. Not saying you can’t have conf or video calls going, but that just brings another layer.

Sure a siloed coder working on their own project it doesn’t really matter.
I do QA, and even we could stand to benefit from being co-located again. It’s so much easier to ask the person two desks over about something than it is to shoot them an IM or email that they might miss.
 
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childu

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Well that was…disappointing.
Agreed. I’ve been following every Apple event since 2010.
This is easily one of the most, if not the most, pathetic event ever. Basically they have nothing to add to the software at this stage.
Tim’s voice was so depressed I thought that the part where he started speaking was still part of the “joke” introduction. He couldn’t fake how unimpressed he was.
 
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Slartibart

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Any of these Ken would have been nice. We got none. Granted many of these wouldn't need/exploit the M1/*GB+ RAM but the last 4 certainly would need the extra horsepower as would the pro apps and virtualization.

-External display support- extend not just mirror and scale to monitor
-clamshell mode with external monitor
-Ability to force all iCloud Drive documents/folders to be downloaded to iPad (like they are on Mac for offline use)
-Ability to manage iTunes library (add music, change tags, etc.) (being able to run Mac Music app would work as well)
-Better Files app (show copy/move progress)
-Interactive widgets anywhere on screen
-OS support for virtualization software (e.g. parallels)
-OS support for running Logic Pro
-Better external device support (external webcams for example)
-Better OS audio capabilities (multiple apps playing audio at once)
-Precise cursor mode (instead of round circle)
-"Activity Monitor" like OS process manager
-Bootcamp support to boot iPad Pro into Big Sur (disabling touchscreen - requires mouse/keyboard)
-Ability to run Mac OS apps (require mouse/keyboard)
-Floating window (even if you can't resize)
-Real multitasking / running background apps
Oh, oh… I like solve!!! It’s a Mac! Right?
 

Never mind

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Oct 25, 2018
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For everyone hating on Apple and the lack of exciting changes just take a moment to consider the radical shift we’ve had to face in major facets of our lives. Work. Personal. The fear and uncertainty early on in the pandemic.

With all that shifting your workforce to a work from home model is a major shift and productivity would suffer as adjustments are made. Remember employees at apple are human beings, not robots. They didn’t just keep the GO mode work mindset on. There was probably quite a bit of downtime.

Apple was equipped better than most companies for this type of shift. Others not so much. Working from home required an investment and infrastructure changes to accommodate this new way of doing things. Companies scrambled and pivoted often.

So there is little surprise that output this year is down and “underwhelming”. Again these are people not robots.
Oh please……….
 

Joniz

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Sep 21, 2017
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Would’ve thought they would’ve at least bumped up the app RAM usage, since giving an app 5GB on 6GB devices seems to work okay, so why not increase for iPads with 8 or freakin’ 16GB?
 

Slartibart

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Aug 19, 2020
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Apple can market the iPad as a computer replacement all they want but its clear after today they see its operating system as just a blown up tweaked version of the iPhone.
tweaked version = with the ability to code and deploy iOS/iPadOS apps while offering almost complete Pencil support. +
 
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