Yosemite is Beautiful

[smoking monkey]

[*]Apple's own applications from earlier releases are now not compatible at all.

Any chance you could point out those applications or a link to them? Thanks. I'm wondering about pages and Final Cut Pro 7.

 

[n-evo]

Pages works just fine and has been updated for OS X Yosemite.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

Don't know about fcp7, however there are updates and the latest fcp works absolutely fine.

 

[ricede]

FCPro 7 does not work with Yosemite ( at least thats what it said when i installed Yosemite.)

 

[cyb3rdud3]

FCPro 7 does not work with Yosemite ( at least thats what it said when i installed Yosemite.)

At least there is an upgrade available if you want to move to Yosemite

 

[Taz Mangus]

Any chance you could point out those applications or a link to them? Thanks. I'm wondering about pages and Final Cut Pro 7.

I have Pages v4.3 installed on Yosemite 10.10.2 and it is compatible.

 

[Taz Mangus]

I for one am beginning to take very serious looks at alternate operating systems. Yosemite is a bad joke. As one commenter on the App Store described it, she was not impressed with the "nursery school" looks of the OS. I couldn't agree more. But more importantly are the user deficits. I have personally witnessed the following on Yosemite:

1. TextEdit crashing on a text file with the file being nothing more than basic text.
2. Sketchy wi-fi issues, which seems to be system dependent.
3. System Preferences crashing the system for no reason when trying to change boot drives.
4. Some external drives going to sleep, then not waking up. Mavericks had this problem too, but they, for the most part fixed it, but apparently didn't bother migrating the changes to Yosemite.
5. Excessive memory use for no apparent reason.
6. Apple's own applications from earlier releases are now not compatible at all.

That's a limited list, people. I could write more but I'm not interested. The phrase "It just works" has been replaced by "It might work."

The path Apple is following strikes me as one brought to you by Wall Street - you know, the guys that brought the world to near bankruptcy about 7 years ago. Fast gimmicks, fast tricks, and hopefully fast cash and bonuses for people that have probably never spent one single day in their lives producing anything or doing any work, and instead manipulating finances to make a killing. Fear not, however, if their crack-pipe dreams don't succeed and Apple goes down the tube, they get golden parachutes for tens, maybe hundreds of millions of dollars for screwing a company up.

This is the way America seems to do business.

Have you called Apple about the issues you are having with Yosemite? You do get free phone support for Yosemite. I have called them about what I thought was Yosemite issue and Apple helped me resolve the issue.

If it were me I would be on the phone to Apple and open a case for each issue I had with Yosemite. Out of curiosity, did you try a clean install of Yosemite?

I have been using Macs since OS X 10.3 days and Yosemite is by far my favorite OS X. I appreciate the simpler looking GUI. IMO the Yosemite GUI has a fresher look. I have a MacBook Pro installed with Mavericks and frankly when I go use it now the GUI looks outdated compared to Yosemite. I thought I would hate having a 2D dock but it turns out not to be the case. I always found the small white application indicator to be a bit annoying.

 

[Etan1000]

Have you called Apple about the issues you are having with Yosemite? You do get free phone support for Yosemite. I have called them about what I thought was Yosemite issue and Apple helped me resolve the issue.

If it were me I would be on the phone to Apple and open a case for each issue I had with Yosemite. Out of curiosity, did you try a clean install of Yosemite?…

You can't be serious!

"Hello, Apple I'd like to report the fact that I hate the nursery school look of Yosemite and using Yosemite gives me a real headache and eyestrain even after I've applied all the adjustments you suggested in my last call, and all the kludges I've read on the internet, and I've also done a clean install."

"Oh, okay we'll open a support ticket on that and get back to you, and thank you for calling!"

Yeah, right.

 

[Taz Mangus]

You can't be serious!

"Hello, Apple I'd like to report the fact that I hate the nursery school look of Yosemite and using Yosemite gives me a real headache and eyestrain even after I've applied all the adjustments you suggested in my last call, and all the kludges I've read on the internet, and I've also done a clean install."

"Oh, okay we'll open a support ticket on that and get back to you, and thank you for calling!"

Yeah, right.

The OP poster reported the following issues:

I have personally witnessed the following on Yosemite:

1. TextEdit crashing on a text file with the file being nothing more than basic text.
2. Sketchy wi-fi issues, which seems to be system dependent.
3. System Preferences crashing the system for no reason when trying to change boot drives.
4. Some external drives going to sleep, then not waking up. Mavericks had this problem too, but they, for the most part fixed it, but apparently didn't bother migrating the changes to Yosemite.
5. Excessive memory use for no apparent reason.

So, explain to me what your dislike for Yosemite GUI has anything to do with my suggestion to the OP to call AppleCare to look into his reported actual problems. And yes I was serious.

 

[Etan1000]

The OP poster reported the following issues:


So, explain to me what your dislike for Yosemite GUI has anything to do with my suggestion to the OP to call AppleCare to look into his reported actual problems. And yes I was serious.

I was referring to the parts of ZVH's post that you omitted from your quote:

Originally Posted by ZVH
I for one am beginning to take very serious looks at alternate operating systems. Yosemite is a bad joke. As one commenter on the App Store described it, she was not impressed with the "nursery school" looks of the OS. I couldn't agree more.

and

That's a limited list, people. I could write more but I'm not interested. The phrase "It just works" has been replaced by "It might work."

as well as the numerous earlier complaints by many others about visibility of text, difficulties on non-retina Macs due to the change of system font, eyestrain and headaches.

Respectfully,

Etan

 

[Taz Mangus]

I was referring to the parts of ZVH's post that you omitted from your quote:



and


as well as the numerous earlier complaints by many others about visibility of text, difficulties on non-retina Macs due to the change of system font, eyestrain and headaches.

Respectfully,

Etan

"Nursery school" looks, a first world problem.

Respectfully,

Taz

 

[294307]

You can't be serious!

"Hello, Apple I'd like to report the fact that I hate the nursery school look of Yosemite and using Yosemite gives me a real headache and eyestrain even after I've applied all the adjustments you suggested in my last call, and all the kludges I've read on the internet, and I've also done a clean install."

"Oh, okay we'll open a support ticket on that and get back to you, and thank you for calling!"

Yeah, right.

Have you tried f.lux? It can help to reduce the 'whiteness' of your display. By default it only changes the display's colour after the sun sets in your region, but you can change its settings so it makes the screen more comfortable to look at during the day as well. I would suggest you try it to see if it helps you - I use it all the time and I do notice how much more uncomfortably 'bright' my screen's colours are when f.lux is either disabled or set to 'Daylight'.

 

[Etan1000]

Have you tried f.lux? It can help to reduce the 'whiteness' of your display. By default it only changes the display's colour after the sun sets in your region, but you can change its settings so it makes the screen more comfortable to look at during the day as well. I would suggest you try it to see if it helps you - I use it all the time and I do notice how much more uncomfortably 'bright' my screen's colours are when f.lux is either disabled or set to 'Daylight'.

Sounds like a very constructive suggestion.
Thank you! - I will try this.
Best wishes, Etan

 

[zOne31]

I have a 13" MBA 2012 and I think Yosemite is great. I went to the Apple store last week, to kill some time before my movie started, and played around with the Retina Display MBPs and the 5k iMac and all I have to say is that it looks so much better on those computers. I've had my computer for 2.5 years and I'm not one to upgrade frequently but after using it on those displays, I really want to get a Retina Display laptop. I really hope Apple updates their MBA line with Retina Display since that's what I want but I could definitely see myself getting the 13" MBP w/RD instead.

Yosemite has been great and there are definitely still some things that Apple could fix up. I'd like to use darkmode (with f.lux's sunset mode) and I hope that Apple perfects these things in the OS in their next iteration.

 

[Etan1000]

Sounds like a very constructive suggestion.
Thank you! - I will try this.
Best wishes, Etan

As a followup, I tried it but unfortunately it made my screen even more difficult to read.

My problem, shared by many others on these and other Apple boards, is insufficient contrast between fonts and backgrounds.
Reducing the screen brightness only made that worse for me.

But I am grateful for your thoughtfulness in making a constructive suggestion. Many of the remarks made by others towards those of us struggling with fatigue and eyestrain in Yosemite on non-Retina screens are subjected to ridicule and/or impatience by those who "love" it. They treat the changes as if they are just about aesthetics.

Best wishes, Etan

 

[294307]

As a followup, I tried it but unfortunately it made my screen even more difficult to read.

My problem, shared by many others on these and other Apple boards, is insufficient contrast between fonts and backgrounds.
Reducing the screen brightness only made that worse for me.

But I am grateful for your thoughtfulness in making a constructive suggestion. Many of the remarks made by others towards those of us struggling with fatigue and eyestrain in Yosemite on non-Retina screens are subjected to ridicule and/or impatience by those who "love" it. They treat the changes as if they are just about aesthetics.

Best wishes, Etan

Oops, only just saw your reply.

Yes, it is unfortunate isn't it? It is best to ignore those types of people. It was the same situation when people were replying to a news article on MacRumours with outright offensive comments about people who were complaining about dizziness and nausea with the release of iOS 7 with its new animation effects. I wasn't surprised when I heard about the user reports because I too also suffer from vertigo so I can sympathise with what others are saying (although the animations in iOS 7 and above do not personally affect me).

You want to reply telling them how wrong they are, but it's rare it makes a difference. In all honesty, you don't need to become part of the problem and become affected by their negativity.

Sorry to hear f.lux doesn't work for you. Have you managed to find an alternative solution?

 

[BigBear14]

I for one am beginning to take very serious looks at alternate operating systems. Yosemite is a bad joke. As one commenter on the App Store described it, she was not impressed with the "nursery school" looks of the OS. I couldn't agree more. But more importantly are the user deficits. I have personally witnessed the following on Yosemite:

1. TextEdit crashing on a text file with the file being nothing more than basic text.
2. Sketchy wi-fi issues, which seems to be system dependent.
3. System Preferences crashing the system for no reason when trying to change boot drives.
4. Some external drives going to sleep, then not waking up. Mavericks had this problem too, but they, for the most part fixed it, but apparently didn't bother migrating the changes to Yosemite.
5. Excessive memory use for no apparent reason.
6. Apple's own applications from earlier releases are now not compatible at all.

That's a limited list, people. I could write more but I'm not interested. The phrase "It just works" has been replaced by "It might work."

The path Apple is following strikes me as one brought to you by Wall Street - you know, the guys that brought the world to near bankruptcy about 7 years ago. Fast gimmicks, fast tricks, and hopefully fast cash and bonuses for people that have probably never spent one single day in their lives producing anything or doing any work, and instead manipulating finances to make a killing. Fear not, however, if their crack-pipe dreams don't succeed and Apple goes down the tube, they get golden parachutes for tens, maybe hundreds of millions of dollars for screwing a company up.

This is the way America seems to do business.

This has been a real issue for me actually, i've found my Mac having next to no available memory even if i'm only running three applications. It's crazy what a memory hog the OS is. I disagree with the look of the OS though, i love the flatter design.

 

[Taz Mangus]

This has been a real issue for me actually, i've found my Mac having next to no available memory even if i'm only running three applications. It's crazy what a memory hog the OS is. I disagree with the look of the OS though, i love the flatter design.

Yosemite is using the available memory as caching space if there is nothing using the memory. This helps with relaunching of applications. The memory will be released if needed for a higher priority task. Unused memory is wasted memory. Also, if you see swap space, in Activity Monitor, getting large then that would be a problem as that indicates that the OS does not have available memory and needs to use hard drive space.

 

[smoking monkey]

I have just updated my laptop from Mavericks to Yosemite after waiting it out even though I updated my desktop back when 10.10 was first released. I have to say, the difference on the smaller screen feels much bigger compared to when I updated my desktop. It is like a all the heaviness of the old OS was lifted away.

My personal opinion is it's hard to find fault with the new OS now a lot of the bugs have been fixed. I'm loving continuity and the flat, clean look as it helps take away UI fatigue.

Even it if had been ugly, Continuity alone would have made this upgrade worth it. For my usage case, continuity is a game changer.

 

[e93to]

While I prefer UI designs of Snow Leopard and Mountain Lion, I have to say Yosemite's overall design grew on me after spending some time on Yosemite partition. I can't say I love it (yet), but it certainly is stylish, and has its own charm. All apps give the visual appearance of the system's uniform design. And, on subconscious level, the translucent look gives the feeling of smooth operation.. Maybe that's just me though...

Switching back and forth between Snow Leopard, Mountain Lion and Yosemite, things DO look brighter and livelier on Yosemite. On Mountain Lion, there are more colors, which gives a sense of more personalized feel.

However, I would prefer each app to have its own unique design instead of plain white background (Calendar app having leather trim, Note app having torn pages, etc.). These little attributes add to personalities, and it makes identifying apps' windows quickly in Mission Control.

 

[Eithanius]

However, I would prefer each app to have its own unique design instead of plain white background (Calendar app having leather trim, Note app having torn pages, etc.). These little attributes add to personalities, and it makes identifying apps' windows quickly in Mission Control.

That is the problem with Jony Ive... He hated Forstall's skeuomorphic background colors so much that he literally put white on all background as if white makes him holier than thou...

Or maybe he couldn't get enough of white MacBooks and iMacs, now he's plotting revenge by putting white on all things OS X...?

 

[xmichaelp]

I could never go back to the old UI. It's just awful compared to Yosemite. I can't wait until the new UI is completely done though. Apps like FCP and Logic/Garageband still need a flat UI like iMovie.

I hope 10.11 is mostly stability and bug fixing while finishing off the new UI.

 

[grahamperrin]

… 10.11 …

There’s a separate topic:

OS X 10.11 Wishlist

… need a flat UI …

http://www.elischiff.com/blog/2015/4/7/fall-of-the-designer-part-i-fashionable-nonsense

 

[F1Mac]

http://www.elischiff.com/blog/2015/4/7/fall-of-the-designer-part-i-fashionable-nonsense

Regarding your link, I find it somewhat amusing that people in 2015 still refer to OS X guidelines from 15 years ago when they compare them to today's flat world... Imagine in 1999 if we had compared the look of OS 9 to...1984's UI? Things have changed. Steve Jobs also said in 2000 that OS X was to be the Mac's operating system for the next 15 years. Well I wonder what's in store for 2016 Maybe it won't be called "OS X" anymore? Who knows we'll see.

...things have changed - for the better? Hard to say. Is OS X perfect? No but it's pretty damn solid (at least for the few lucky users like me ) - the UI has changed and some of these changes are hard to accept, I can't disagree. But my "Mac OS experience" hasn't changed one bit.

 

[grahamperrin]

… today's flat world …

I should recommend all five parts of the short series (I, II, III, IV, V). I don't expect the readings to change the opinion of people who find Yosemite entirely beautiful, but the writings are thoughtful. The ironies in part V may be lost on some readers …