So YosemiteRevert will switch the system font? And it doesn't make things unstable?
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Yosemite looks terrible!
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So YosemiteRevert will switch the system font? And it doesn't make things unstable?
I think it also does that along with other restorations. But I first used the Schreiberstein solution to switch the system font:
https://github.com/schreiberstein/lucidagrandeyosemite
It works great!
But I had to switch from Safari to FireFox because Apple hardwired their d*mn system font into Safari.
I think YosemiteRevert does it too while doing other things, but when I installed YosemiteRevert I had already used Schreiberstein.
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Really? It looks like Linux alright. Blech. I'd want either an older OSX theme or even a OS9 classic theme (window gadget wise), but to each their own. I'm tempted to try Yosemite with Flavours, but I really don't want to take the chance Yosemite is still awful. I suppose I could try it on external backup drive or something, but even that takes time to undo again. I suppose I won't have a choice some day. I keep hoping the "next" version of OSX will fix the worst problems. I skipped Lion and didn't miss it.
Try it on an external drive maybe? You might not find it as awful as you think in terms of functionality and performance. I know your position regarding the UI, and that's fine
The OS itself is far from being awful though. YMMV Try it on an external drive maybe? You might not find it as awful as you think in terms of functionality and performance. I know your position regarding the UI, and that's fine
You know, with all the people asking others to try Yosemite on an external drive...? Yosemite is already a slouch on disk-based drives no...?
Yosemite UI = awful... External disk-based drive performance = awful.
End result = DISASTER...!
Might as well ask them to buy a new Mac. They'll be locked on Yosemite indefinitely (probably until end of this year). And you'll be doing Apple a favor...
I take it from this that Yosemite is reverting the patch solution that I seem to remember Microsoft used. Hastily throw out a badly designed piece of software then patch, patch, patch it.
No thanks.
Try it on an external drive maybe? You might not find it as awful as you think in terms of functionality and performance. I know your position regarding the UI, and that's fine
Reading and lurking in the background after I gave up trying to get Yosemite fixed I usually agree with most of what you say but I have to dispute you on this one. Maybe it's equipment stupidity (dinosauritis?) but my iMac just barely made the cut to be able to get Yosemite which means even if the next OS fixes everything they screwed up unless I buy a new computer I'm now permanently stuck with this trash OS.
The functionality of my Mac going from Mavericks to Yosuckity is like going from an F-1 car to a Pinto with a blown motor. OK it's old and on it's last leg, I admit it, so F-1 may be a stretch. But on every previous OS I had on it including Mavericks there was never any speed issues and very rarely would it lock up. Now that I have Yosemite on it? Constant freezing and locking up. Constant pop up saying the finder or something has gone unresponsive. Anything I load now takes 2-3 times as long to open and load. Not counting the 5-10 minutes I sit and watch the lovely XXXXX has gone unresponsive message.
And that's if it loads at all. There's many times I need to load things 2-3 times because it will crash while unresponsive during loading or during use. It's at the point now where as soon as I boot up the computer the first thing I do is bring up the force quit box so I can kill something that goes unresponsive for too long because I know it's going to crash. This has been happening right from the install. I've re-installed Yosemite and same issues.
And forget having more than 1 thing open at once. Up to and including Mavericks I could have multiple browsers, Audacity, OpenOfiice, iTunes, Messaging, Thunderbird, notes, reminders, calendar, and anything else open to do my work on the computer. Now if I can get to 2 things open at once without one or both locking up and crashing I buy a lotto ticket because it's a fortunate night.
Again maybe it's the age of the computer that plays into it. But never have I had issues like this. It's definitely more than just terrible looks for the UI which by themselves are reason enough for anybody to skip this turd and stay with Mavericks. But it also runs terrible too. But as you say YMMV. I'm sure those sparkly new retina screens don't have the performance issues like mine.
There's also the option of partitioning the internal drive. Perhaps only a minority are comfortable with that procedure.
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Aah that sucks! My experience is really the opposite, even on my older Mac Pro. I was going to say backup your files and do a clean install, but you've probably done that already.
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Etan
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I think I may have confused you by not providing more information when referring to YosemiteRevert. It is NOT a patch from Apple. It is a small piece of software from a young man who is smarter than the current design genius at Apple. See:
https://sites.google.com/site/appleclubfhs/downloads/yosemiterevert-info
Etan
I bought & installed YosemiteRevert, and combined with cdock, it's fixed some of the most irritating bits.
It's too bad that Apple's attitude is "you'll take it and you'll like it," not caring that some people want the appearance to be something other than what Apple has decided we want. (Those wretched sky blue, flat folders, ugh.) I guess we're all supposed to "think the same" now, not "think different."
It's too bad that Apple's attitude is "you'll take it and you'll like it," not caring that some people want the appearance to be something other than what Apple has decided we want. (Those wretched sky blue, flat folders, ugh.) I guess we're all supposed to "think the same" now, not "think different."
I'm unclear as to what you mean. Could you elaborate?
I installed it, and found the aesthetics reversion pleasing, not to mention satisfying in the sense of defying Jony Ives' imposition of the kindergarten look.
In addition, and more important than aesthetics, the return of the system font to Lucida Grande, whether done by this app or by Schreiberstein's solution, definitely relieved a portion of my vision fatigue.
Etan
*SIGH*
Still no bold font option in OS X Yosemite 10.10.4 beta. Maybe in 10.11?
Regardless, I'm forced to update to Yosemite. I'll probably update with 10.10.4 and may do a clean install to help avoid any issues. More and more software is being developed Yosemite-only. Office was one, Ulysses is another (and looks to be the writing app I've been waiting for), and Yosemite has received some security patches that Mavericks and earlier won't.
It's just kind of sad. Apple's lost that fun aspect in my eyes. Now that I know the benefits of OS X, I wouldn't want to switch back to Windows, but as a new buyer, I doubt I'd would have made the switch to a Mac with things in their current state (Yosemite's missteps and W10's home runs).
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What did you use cDock for? Make the 3D dock return?
Still no bold font option in OS X Yosemite 10.10.4 beta. Maybe in 10.11?
Regardless, I'm forced to update to Yosemite. I'll probably update with 10.10.4 and may do a clean install to help avoid any issues. More and more software is being developed Yosemite-only. Office was one, Ulysses is another (and looks to be the writing app I've been waiting for), and Yosemite has received some security patches that Mavericks and earlier won't.
It's just kind of sad. Apple's lost that fun aspect in my eyes. Now that I know the benefits of OS X, I wouldn't want to switch back to Windows, but as a new buyer, I doubt I'd would have made the switch to a Mac with things in their current state (Yosemite's missteps and W10's home runs).
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I bought & installed YosemiteRevert, and combined with cdock, it's fixed some of the most irritating bits.
It's too bad that Apple's attitude is "you'll take it and you'll like it," not caring that some people want the appearance to be something other than what Apple has decided we want. (Those wretched sky blue, flat folders, ugh.) I guess we're all supposed to "think the same" now, not "think different."
What did you use cDock for? Make the 3D dock return?
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I think I may have confused you by not providing more information when referring to YosemiteRevert. It is NOT a patch from Apple. It is a small piece of software from a young man who is smarter than the current design genius at Apple. See:
https://sites.google.com/site/appleclubfhs/downloads/yosemiterevert-info
Etan[/QUOTE]
Thanks for that clarification.
I think I may have confused you by not providing more information when referring to YosemiteRevert. It is NOT a patch from Apple. It is a small piece of software from a young man who is smarter than the current design genius at Apple. See:
https://sites.google.com/site/appleclubfhs/downloads/yosemiterevert-info
Etan[/QUOTE]
Thanks for that clarification.
That's a potentially serious concern.
Please, can you give an example of a vulnerability that remains in (say) Mountain Lion after a fix for Yosemite?
I, too, felt that sadness (mixed with peaks and troughs of other emotions) for a few months. Traverse, I know that you're somewhat into the Apple ecosystem; at least, you have an iPad.
Until a few weeks ago I had a first generation iPhone – refurbished, gifted to me. Recently I chose to destroy it (the reasons are personal, unrelated to Apple) and a few days later there came a realisation that I'm simply, happily, a Mac user – not an Apple ecosystem participant. I make rare/sporadic purchases from the iTunes Store but none of those tie me to an ecosystem. The repellence of Yosemite continues to drive me away from Apple's idea of what an ecosystem should be.
Last weekend I performed some general housekeeping on the Mac, preparing for a replacement notebook. Seeing things so strictly separated on iCloud, I took the opportunity to move all documents (not all data) from
~/Library/Mobile Documents
away from the flatness of iCloud, to more integrated and flexible areas of local storage. Documents in subdirectories of ~/Documents and so on. A logical, user-friendly approach to filing. Refreshingly simple.
I'll never choose a switch to Microsoft Windows, but I am continuing the gradual walk away from Apple, and these steps feel effortless.
From the linked post, just one consideration, with emphasis:
"system requirements do not include Apple's installer for Mavericks."
If not Apple open source, then what was the origin of the resources for the apparent reversion?
If it can be believed this article highlights a potentially serious security vulnerability that won't be patched in versions below OS X 10.10.0. Even worse is that this brings up the concern of what other vulnerabilities will silently remain unpatched in earlier versions of OS X due to apples aggressive update cycle.
I am too deep into Apple's ecosystem to make a quick switch now. I have a Mac, iPhone, iPad, and Apple TV. The thing is, i bought each device for the device, not the ecosystem. Aside from iTunes purchases (which work fine in Windows) I only recently embraced iCloud to its fullest potential.
The thing for me is, I just like Apple's device and (mostly) software better. The little things keeps me with OS X (font rendering, scrolling in unselected windows, etc.). Perhaps the biggest issue for me is that I have a substantial amount of money invested in Mac-only software (or software that has a better Mac equivalent) which makes switching a pain.
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You know, with all the people asking others to try Yosemite on an external drive...? Yosemite is already a slouch on disk-based drives no...?
Yosemite UI = awful... External disk-based drive performance = awful.
End result = DISASTER...!
I've booted (non-Yosemite of course) from my external backup before and it wasn't a "disaster". It's still USB3. My internal drives are disk-based, but RAID0. I think some people are spoiled by SSD drives. Unfortunately, their storage capacity is typically too small to the point of unusable for any media based application without spending a small fortune. I have 5GB of storage; I don't know what that would cost in SSD or if there's even a way to do it.
In any case, IF I were testing Yosemite with an external drive, how hard is it to simply ignore the disk based aspects in terms of testing something? Do people think using an OS is loading up the application folder and then their home folder and then they go to bed and get up and do the same thing the next day? That's not how I use my computer.
Buy a new Mac??? Why would someone need to buy a new Mac just to try Yosemite?
I bought & installed YosemiteRevert, and combined with cdock, it's fixed some of the most irritating bits.
It's too bad that Apple's attitude is "you'll take it and you'll like it," not caring that some people want the appearance to be something other than what Apple has decided we want. (Those wretched sky blue, flat folders, ugh.) I guess we're all supposed to "think the same" now, not "think different."
Actually, I don't think they want you to "think" at all. Just buy buy buy.
The article says "For users running OS X 10.10, 10.10.1, or 10.10.2, a patch for this bug is included in Security Update 2015-004."
At this point I'm so frustrated with Ive and his wonderful decisions to destroy iOS 7/8 and Yosemite that I'm ready to say the same thing. And I'm only 38.
I agree.
Yosemite is so bad I am considering switching to Linux if 10.11 isn't better...
I just hope everyone who is not happy with Yosemite has left feedback at https://www.apple.com/feedback/ i think we only remotely stand a chance of a better looking UI if they are get a HUGE amount of feedback.
Whilst Yosemite has very slowly grown on me, I'm not 100% happy, and Mac OS 10.9 gives me a smile every time i use it. I'm hoping for refinement in the GUI, but I'm hoping even more that we get skins in Mac OS 10.11 and iOS 9, then we could all go back to the 10.9 and iOS 6 look if we wanted.
Whilst Yosemite has very slowly grown on me, I'm not 100% happy, and Mac OS 10.9 gives me a smile every time i use it. I'm hoping for refinement in the GUI, but I'm hoping even more that we get skins in Mac OS 10.11 and iOS 9, then we could all go back to the 10.9 and iOS 6 look if we wanted.
I enjoyed your simple comment, "Skip this turd and stay with Mavericks." if the new OS Yosemite does not get up and running with good acceptance, I plan on heading back to MS 10 when my Mavericks is no longer functional. Sad to see Apple back stepping when they had such a good product. Just my take and opinion.
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