Yosemite looks terrible!

[Choctaw]

Well, I am happy with what I have got. I won't bother to download or install Yosemite. I am in my mid-70s, and will just hope this computer lasts long enough to see me through until I abandon the internet for good.

Dude/Dudett I have a few more years on you thats all. At 74 my next birthday my take on the world is somewhat dim. All that texting, all that electronic craziness, groups of people jumping up and down applauding silly nothingness. What happened to rational value, things that just plain worked and did not need changing.

No need to abandon your computer, if it still feels good and your up to it, then fight out another round or two. Time is not on our side after 70 so try to get the best out of everyday. Your in the autumn of the life cycle, and sooner than you expect the cool winter winds of winter signaling the end game arrives.

 

[Paulk]

Dude/Dudett I have a few more years on you thats all. At 74 my next birthday my take on the world is somewhat dim. All that texting, all that electronic craziness, groups of people jumping up and down applauding silly nothingness. What happened to rational value, things that just plain worked and did not need changing.

No need to abandon your computer, if it still feels good and your up to it, then fight out another round or two. Time is not on our side after 70 so try to get the best out of everyday. Your in the autumn of the life cycle, and sooner than you expect the cool winter winds of winter signaling the end game arrives.

It still does feel good, and, yes, mid-70s is no great age these days but I have had major cardiac problems for some time now. But as I say, I hang on for as long as I can. Not giving up on the internet just yet.

 

[GerritV]

Regardless, I'm forced to update to Yosemite. I'll probably update with 10.10.4 and may do a clean install to help avoid any issues. More and more software is being developed Yosemite-only. Office was one, Ulysses is another (and looks to be the writing app I've been waiting for), and Yosemite has received some security patches that Mavericks and earlier won't.

This is where I am as well, I can no longer postpone certain apps' update.
I just updated to 10.10.3. Hard to image it's even physically possible to make an OS look this ugly and unfit

 

[Agent-J]

What did you use cDock for? Make the 3D dock return?

Yes. The whole look-and-feel was like fingernails on a blackboard to me. What surprised me is that looking at images of the interface was fine, but actually trying to use it was an entirely different experience. Maybe we need to get Apple to put trigger warnings on 10.11

Because I haven't run into any underlying problems with the OS, just the UI ones, I'm content now with YosemiteRevert and cDock. But now Apple's gonna mess with it some more with 10.11 and, I suppose, break those solutions.

Unless Apple offers skins, or multiple themes, or significant item-by-item UI customization, they should probably hold off on significant UI changes in OS X for a while. As Microsoft learned the hard way with Win8, people don't necessarily want the same interface on their tablets and computers.

I want my personal computer to be PERSONAL, Jony. Apple's all about personal now, right? So give us themes so we can make the UI look the way we want.

 

[F1Mac]

Unless Apple offers skins, or multiple themes, or significant item-by-item UI customization, they should probably hold off on significant UI changes in OS X for a while. As Microsoft learned the hard way with Win8, people don't necessarily want the same interface on their tablets and computers.

I want to get my work done. Too much customization ends up with incompatibilities, weird-looking, app conflicts, etc. Give me a flat design over these troubles any day.

Significant UI changes are not gonna happen for a while indeed. What started with 10.10 will be refined and polished in 10.11.

I want my personal computer to be PERSONAL, Jony. Apple's all about personal now, right? So give us themes so we can make the UI look the way we want.

For over 3 decades Apple has never offered "skins" or themes, they won't start now. It has never been their philosophy. Besides it would go against the whole OS X/iOS unification so I don't see that happening. I'd take a different font though

 

[Badagri]

For over 3 decades Apple has never offered "skins" or themes, they won't start now. It has never been their philosophy. Besides it would go against the whole OS X/iOS unification so I don't see that happening. I'd take a different font though

Unsanity made an app called Shapeshifter for people to theme. You're right though. Once Lion came along, Apple locked down modifying the UI by third parties that killed off the Unsanity team and theming.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsanity

Some nice memories of some themes. http://maxrudberg.com

http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/15070/siro

http://www.atpm.com/11.06/customizing.shtml

http://mac.appstorm.net/general/20-stunning-themes-for-mac-os-x/

http://stefanka.deviantart.com/gallery/?offset=0


It'll never happen, Morpheo. Could you imagine the bombardment on tech support if it did take place?

 

[Traverse]

questionable.

Well, I just finished updating to Yosemite. I love the gained features (SMS relay, close iCloud tabs, etc.) but I'm less happy with the overall experience.

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One of my least favorite aesthetic touches of Yosemite are the new stoplight window controls. I can't even explain why, but I really hate the Yosemite ones. I think it's because there's no border around them; they just blend into the UI and yet stand in stark contrast. It's not as smooth to me as it was in Mavericks. Anyway, I've noticed something that's interesting (to me). In OS X 10.6 - 10.9 I never really understood why anyone would use the "Graphite" color in system preference since it just "dulled" the interface. However, I'm finding that I actually prefer it with Yosemite. Nulling the window control makes them less strangling, though I would rather have the blue buttons on other parts of the UI. I also find that the gray highlights in the menu help to subdue some of Yosemite's rather bright interface.

Irrelevant and boring to most people, interesting to me.

 

[Etan1000]

I want to get my work done. Too much customization ends up with incompatibilities, weird-looking, app conflicts, etc. Give me a flat design over these troubles any day.…

FWIW, I have not experienced any incompatibilities changing the font back to Lucida Grande, running YosemiteRevert, cdock, and XtraFinder; and in addition I added a gold color to the 1Password menubar icon so that I could find it when entering passwords, as the one provided by Agilebits' obeisance to Apple's new "suggestions" to developers was so non-descript as to be virtually invisible.

Also, to the credit of its developer, Bartender allows an option for a custom menubar icon, and I chose a red bowtie, which has survived updates. I hope other third party developers will consider following suit.

It therefore seems as if all of these agents of change were well-designed, so as not to add any burden to running my Mac.

In my opinion, all of these changes were made to relieve the eyestrain and/or quick identification of functions while working on my MBPro running Yosemite. The satisfaction of diminishing and/or defeating Jony Ives corruption of the Mac interface is merely a bonus.

Etan


PS - For me, I tend to think of these as functional improvements, akin to my having added Mail Hub, MailTags and Mail Act-On to Apple Mail several versions back in order to make Mail perform significantly better. And fortunately, Apple has never done anything to Mail to cause it to defeat these add-ons, which actually significantly modify the menubar and preferences in Mail.

 

[BradHatter]

One of my least favorite aesthetic touches of Yosemite are the new stoplight window controls. I can't even explain why, but I really hate the Yosemite ones.

They look like a little kid took colored pencils and filled in circles. Really, really stupid looking.

If this trend continues in the next releases of OS X my time with Apple will end when my systems die. I'll be looking elsewhere if needed.

 

[grahamperrin]

… Apple locked down modifying the UI by third parties …

The interface is not entirely locked down.

Please see:

• recent posts in this topic about Flavours 2
• https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=21251832#post21251832 and other posts under OS X theme/customizations? …

 

[Choctaw]

I've noticed something that's interesting (to me). In OS X 10.6 - 10.9 I never really understood why anyone would use the "Graphite" color in system preference

Explain to me about this graphite color in sys pref please. How do I find it and tweak it? I am using Mavericks and think you are referring to that OS.
Thanks

 

[Traverse]

Explain to me about this graphite color in sys pref please. How do I find it and tweak it? I am using Mavericks and think you are referring to that OS.
Thanks

System Preferences > General > Appearance > Dropdown menu from Blue to Graphite.

It changes the Red, Yellow, and Green stoplights to all gray. Areas of the UI that would have been highlighted or colored blue (such as hovering your mouse over a menubar item, or a marked checkbox) will now be gray. It's a much more sedated appearance. Less colorful, yes, but some say less distracting. I find it helps with Yosemite's overall theme.

EDIT: I attached two screenshots showing a sample of the difference. It's subtle, but noticeable.

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The interface is not entirely locked down.

Please see:

• recent posts in this topic about Flavours 2

Flavors looks really interesting, but I don't think I'd want to use system hacks. I really shouldn't have to.

 

[Choctaw]

Traverse;21297610]

Thank you for your fast response. Good luck with the new OS, surly it will get better over time, for now there are a lot of disgruntled users who have enjoyed the beauty of Apple OS for years and then got hit with the current changes and disfunction's.

 

[Choctaw]

It still does feel good, and, yes, mid-70s is no great age these days but I have had major cardiac problems for some time now. But as I say, I hang on for as long as I can. Not giving up on the internet just yet.

Good luck on just keeping on keeping on. Eternity is forever and hopefully we always fit in as time ticks on.

 

[Choctaw]

Just make it simple for the phones, iPads, 7 Tablets heck with the big screen users !

Some things only tech people have an interest in, but all of us who look at computers are affected. The designers of our software should have our best interest as a first priority, but somehow the new Apple operating system called Yosemite has lost many of the important design factors that allows users the use of a relaxing comfortable viewing experience. It all falls back on the simple interface of the iPads, cell phones, and tablets. Thus the designers for those small divides are using the same technics on developing computer software and have lost the freshness and comfortable visibility factor necessary for larger screen viewing.

 

[Etan1000]

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Flavors looks really interesting, but I don't think I'd want to use system hacks. I really shouldn't have to.

With all due respect, I understand what you are getting at, but here's my take on that:
When my kids were little, I really shouldn't have had to remind them to brush their teeth and pick up their toys but, when necessary I took the necessary measures to see to it that it was done; and that's how I feel about Apple right now.

So yes, I am using the above-described modifiers to do what Apple should have done, and may also add Flavors 2 when I see what the finished product looks like and does.

Best wishes, Etan

 

[grahamperrin]

Yosemite: multiplatform-oriented, no longer Mac user-centred

… Yosemite has lost many of the important design factors that allows users the use of a relaxing comfortable viewing experience. It all falls back …

Yes.

From an April 2015 blog post (the third in a series of five):



The concluding sentence, with added emphasis:

"… Responsive techniques are undoubtedly crucial to providing a multi-platform design, but they should not come in the way of a user-centered experience."​

Such things are, I believe, at the core of where Apple went wrong with Yosemite. OS X is no longer devoted to pleasing users of Mac hardware.

Apple has demoted OS X – to something that can please a a lower percentage of Mac users, with design for the big screen (to the left) inappropriately shaped by design for the tiniest screen (extreme right).

 

[Badagri]

Flavors looks really interesting, but I don't think I'd want to use system hacks. I really shouldn't have to.

There are themes ported that should be square borders. Yet every theme I'm seeing on the site has round ended borders.

 

[Etan1000]

There are themes ported that should be square borders. Yet every theme I'm seeing on the site has round ended borders.

I don't see any difference in the corners of my screen when Flavours 2 is turned on or turned off. Right now, I am using "Bluke."

However, there is a problem with the responsiveness of commands in Apple Mail when Flavours 2 is on, which I have already reported to them and they are presumably working on that as they immediately thanked me for my report and asked me some follow-up questions.

Etan

 

[hamis92]

Anyway, I've noticed something that's interesting (to me). In OS X 10.6 - 10.9 I never really understood why anyone would use the "Graphite" color in system preference since it just "dulled" the interface.

I have used Graphite as my system colour scheme since Mac OS X 10.4. When you do graphic design or any other things that involve colour, you want as little distraction as possible – that's what Graphite was originally intended for. Plus I find the uniform coloured traffic lights pleasing to the eye.

 

[Dirtyharry50]

Unsanity made an app called Shapeshifter for people to theme. You're right though. Once Lion came along, Apple locked down modifying the UI by third parties that killed off the Unsanity team and theming.

Not really, anybody wanting to theme Yosemite should have a look at Flavours 2 which you can download a free preview version of now while it is still in development. This is planned to cost $20. and I hope will turn out to be well worth it to put a pretty custom face on the ugliness that is Yosemite.

http://www.flavours.interacto.net

Flavours 2 is being designed and built specifically for Yosemite.

Oops, after responding to you I see others brought this software up as well. I'll add one thing though. I would not regard Flavours 2 as a "system hack" as somebody above mentioned since it does not modify any system files. I'm sure that the OS X API does in fact allow app developers to draw custom windows and UI elements as desired which therefore enables an app like this to be possible. You can easily see this in any app that differs from the defaults in any way.

 

[One13Truck]

My biggest thing is, yes I messed up and updated blindly to this turd YoSUCKity w/o using time machine because every OS before Ive destroyed it was great, but I have paid Apple enough already that I should NOT have to pay a 3rd party even more money to fix what that moron Ive has broken. If I have to pay to fix it I might as well just pay the money to go to another OS.

 

[Eithanius]

My biggest thing is, yes I messed up and updated blindly to this turd YoSUCKity w/o using time machine because every OS before Ive destroyed it was great, but I have paid Apple enough already that I should NOT have to pay a 3rd party even more money to fix what that moron Ive has broken. If I have to pay to fix it I might as well just pay the money to go to another OS.

tcook@apple.com...

Anyone has Jony Idiot's email...?

 

[Etan1000]

My biggest thing is, yes I messed up and updated blindly to this turd YoSUCKity w/o using time machine because every OS before Ive destroyed it was great, but I have paid Apple enough already that I should NOT have to pay a 3rd party even more money to fix what that moron Ive has broken. If I have to pay to fix it I might as well just pay the money to go to another OS.

YosemiteRevert is $2.99. I don't think you can switch to another OS and a new computer for three bucks.

https://sites.google.com/site/appleclubfhs/downloads

Etan

 

[Mr Todhunter]

Not Jony's fault

tcook@apple.com...

Anyone has Jony Idiot's email...?

I don't have his email, I just want to point out that it's not his fault he is retarded. It was Steve's and now Tim's fault that he is allowed to do retarded things.