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Yosemite looks terrible!
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Not good enough
That's no surprise. Exactly five months ago (22nd July) I was certain that the OS would succeed.
I was certain that the OS would succeed, whether it's good enough or not.
It's not.
That's no surprise. Exactly five months ago (22nd July) I was certain that the OS would succeed.
I was certain that the OS would succeed, whether it's good enough or not.
It's not.
Apple's treatment of icons is terribly inconsistent at the moment. E.g. Safari has favicons in the menus, but not in the sidebar. Finder starts to be the same thing. They should decide on a direction and go through with it. I wouldn't be sad at all if they kill all favicons (including finder sidebar), but the current treatment is indeed "ugly"
You sir, are 100% correct!
I was so completely disgusted with OS X Yosemite, that I felt compelled to join MacRumors to voice my opine. Instead, I will simply say that I agree with in regards to the travesty that has befallen Apple under the reign of Jonathan Ive. Hopefully, the shareholders board will take note, and relieve Jonathan Ive of his irresponsibilities at Apple Inc. When I look at Yosemite (and iOS) I think... "Is this guy trying to turn Apple into Microsoft?"
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By the responses to your OP , it's obvious there is no shortage of shills roaming this forum... Typical.
To quote:
mcdon ~ December 08, 2014 02:01
"As soon as I updated to Yosamite I felt... I should NOT have updated! There is a quality difference in drawing in two seconds, and drawing in a minute with an experienced person. YOSEMITE IS COOKED! The praise (and shilling) comes from those who bought Apple shares... Negative comments come from users who care!"
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I'm still using Yosemite on one Mac. On the bright side some bugs were fixed by the point updates.
But the ugliness of the user interface remains. It has a cheap appearance, lacks usability (especially the choice of the system font, poor contrast everywhere) and lost it's special polished finish.
But the ugliness of the user interface remains. It has a cheap appearance, lacks usability (especially the choice of the system font, poor contrast everywhere) and lost it's special polished finish.
Like making all icons monochrome didn't hurt the usability enough... I hope everyone test-driving the beta will send feedback on this. It might just be a bug, though I doubt it.
I thought about that too, a bug. It just seems extreme even for this release. I can file it as "Missing Icons"
WOE IS ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A developer has to do what a developer has to do, and if they have to show pictures of their product running under Yosemite, what choice do they have? Odds are if I took a sample of their staff the exact same profile would emerge there as here as in some like it, some hate it. Why should that surprise anyone?
In fact, I think I'll shoot them an e-mail tomorrow with a link to this page and request that THEY file a formal complaint against this POS design. Why? If Apple starts losing customers because of Ive's stupid and infantile designs, trust me, small software development companies will get hit a lot harder than a mega corporation like Apple will.
After all, let's just say that Yosemite and the other simpleton designs are the true beginning of the end for Apple, small companies will suffer, but the Apple execs responsible can cash in their golden parachutes for tens of millions of dollars and just walk away saying, "Oh well we tried, so what?"
It's the new American Business Model: If you screw up a company you get a bonus! Just ask Carly Fiorina.
I've gone and done it. I've purchased my first non-Apple computer in nearly 15 years.
When iOS 7 came out, I just could not understand how everything could regress so much. The new features didn't make up for the very poor design. A few months after iOS 7 came out, I purchased a Nexus 7, to give Android a try. I never liked Android before. It was always slow and clunky, but KitKat was actually rather good.
When it came time to upgrade my iPhone 5, the next iPhone just wasn't on the cards for me. I tried using iOS 8 a few days ago when restoring my iPhone 5 to factory settings. The usability was thrown out along with the textures and graphic that contained depth. The Shift key is really, really, really poorly designed. The word "Amateur" is not something I thought I'd ever associate with Apple, but, wow...
I ended up with an LG G3, and you know what, it's great. I still run iOS 6 on my 3rd generation iPad, which I prefer to the Nexus 7, but Android has overtaken iOS, not just with features, but also with the UI, its interactivity, and its look and feel.
So, I've been using Yosemite on a spare Mac since the first developer preview. At first, I thought we'd been spared the disastrous UI changes that plague iOS... many of the items that were not up to the usual standards. I thought these "unfinished" items were going to be updated and improved. But no, they kept them in there. Who would have thought something so ugly, and so in your face, would be used. Many items, such as the toolbar elements look like outline placeholders in a design document. Not a finished product.
The OS runs flawlessly for me and has some nice looking UIs, but it's got some really ugly warts. It keeps getting in my way with overly bright colors. It doesn't get out of the way and let me concentrate on my content, but I suppose OS X has been moving away from a productivity powerhouse for some time now.
The blurry translucency is an effect that some designers at Apple like. They've added the effect, and then come up with a reason for it retroactively. Not only is it pretentious, but it's completely wrong. The translucent in the side bar is different to that in the toolbars. One shows the desktop picture, the other shows a portion of the document behind it.
They say the translucency gives a sense of context. No Apple, scrollbars give a sense of context. (remember those?)
So, after all this time, I've ordered a Microsoft Surface Pro 3... to see how I like it. I never, and I mean NEVER, would have thought I'd purchase a Windows based computer.
The world has gone mad.
When iOS 7 came out, I just could not understand how everything could regress so much. The new features didn't make up for the very poor design. A few months after iOS 7 came out, I purchased a Nexus 7, to give Android a try. I never liked Android before. It was always slow and clunky, but KitKat was actually rather good.
When it came time to upgrade my iPhone 5, the next iPhone just wasn't on the cards for me. I tried using iOS 8 a few days ago when restoring my iPhone 5 to factory settings. The usability was thrown out along with the textures and graphic that contained depth. The Shift key is really, really, really poorly designed. The word "Amateur" is not something I thought I'd ever associate with Apple, but, wow...
I ended up with an LG G3, and you know what, it's great. I still run iOS 6 on my 3rd generation iPad, which I prefer to the Nexus 7, but Android has overtaken iOS, not just with features, but also with the UI, its interactivity, and its look and feel.
So, I've been using Yosemite on a spare Mac since the first developer preview. At first, I thought we'd been spared the disastrous UI changes that plague iOS... many of the items that were not up to the usual standards. I thought these "unfinished" items were going to be updated and improved. But no, they kept them in there. Who would have thought something so ugly, and so in your face, would be used. Many items, such as the toolbar elements look like outline placeholders in a design document. Not a finished product.
The OS runs flawlessly for me and has some nice looking UIs, but it's got some really ugly warts. It keeps getting in my way with overly bright colors. It doesn't get out of the way and let me concentrate on my content, but I suppose OS X has been moving away from a productivity powerhouse for some time now.
The blurry translucency is an effect that some designers at Apple like. They've added the effect, and then come up with a reason for it retroactively. Not only is it pretentious, but it's completely wrong. The translucent in the side bar is different to that in the toolbars. One shows the desktop picture, the other shows a portion of the document behind it.
They say the translucency gives a sense of context. No Apple, scrollbars give a sense of context. (remember those?)
So, after all this time, I've ordered a Microsoft Surface Pro 3... to see how I like it. I never, and I mean NEVER, would have thought I'd purchase a Windows based computer.
The world has gone mad.
Its not that surprising. Now I like Apple so I hope they are successful. However, I also run Windows 8.1 in a VM, so on the exact same hardware with Windows nothing is ever illegible. Yosemite when you move beyond the defaults it fails horribly, I can point out 20 places where things disappear or fade away, most are in this thread. I thought they would fix these things during the Beta also and they didn't.
I do think Apple will take a hit in sales, whether its measurable or not who's to say. People who upgrade and then can't read the screen for whatever reason will not run out and buy Retina machines.
Its funny, if you're around long enough you get lambasted no matter what you choose. I used to get laughed at for being on Apple, because "there was no software", anyone remember that? Now if you run Windows you've gone to the dark side. Go figure.
At the end of the day, I'll run whatever solves my needs. I just hope they're not all ugly.
The software, not the customer
Microsoft Launches Site to Lure MacBook Switchers to Surface Pro 3 –
– I'm ploughing through as much as possible of the commentary. Some good arguments, with minimal name-calling.
I know when, where and how to be a drama queen. For me, this topic is neither the time nor the place.
This topic is primarily about the effects of the Apple software on the customers.
(Not primarily about the effect of writers on the sensibilities of readers.)
Occasionally there's drama but please try to understand that the drama is usually the result of a passion for the software.
Critically: if you dislike drama, don't label people as drama queens.
Things can be far more dramatic on Twitter. https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=yosemite ugly and so on. How are the numbers there? Is the language there generally more, or less, dramatic than language here?
Microsoft Launches Site to Lure MacBook Switchers to Surface Pro 3 –
– I'm ploughing through as much as possible of the commentary. Some good arguments, with minimal name-calling.
I know when, where and how to be a drama queen. For me, this topic is neither the time nor the place.
This topic is primarily about the effects of the Apple software on the customers.
(Not primarily about the effect of writers on the sensibilities of readers.)
Occasionally there's drama but please try to understand that the drama is usually the result of a passion for the software.
Critically: if you dislike drama, don't label people as drama queens.
Things can be far more dramatic on Twitter. https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=yosemite ugly and so on. How are the numbers there? Is the language there generally more, or less, dramatic than language here?
Losing customers? What, all 10 of you drama queens? That will definitively make a dent
Seriously? 10?
This is probably one of the most read posts on this site. Is that because people like Yosemite????
WOW, very interesting read. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and congratulations on the switch (I mean it).
Looks like I'll follow you down this road someday soon.
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I've stopped calling it "the dark side" eversince iOS8/MacOSX Yos
I will admit I'm looking at something similar. In my case, I think I'll buy an Android tablet instead of an iPad and see how I like it, then go from there.
If you've been around long enough, then you remember that "the dark side" was always another term for the Windows crowd. Apple has only 10% now - still better than 5 that's for sure, but we're still living in a Windows world as far as I'm concerned. The iPod and the iPhone have made people aware of Apple, and are responsible for its enormous success. I guess people who buy an iPhone without being mac users in the first place are getting interested as well.
I still can't believe people are switching because the UI is too flat and safari has no favicons...
The OS so far is one of the most stable I've ever used (I started to use macs with MacOS 7.5), it's fast and I haven't had a single incompatibility issue. And people who still claim Yosemite doesn't look like a mac haven't been around long enough either. What was their reaction when MacOS X came out? I mean it must have been brutal no? The UI will change again because computers have become fashionable now. Of course some will argue it's Ive's fault.
No, its because this thread is very entertaining
Look, its clear that plenty of people are having issues with Yosemite, most of which are attributed to declining software QA and also rewrites of some major parts of the OS (and that always results in bugs). These will be fixed over the time.
Its also clear that the Yosemite UI is not as polished, as say — Snow Leopard. But then again, Snow Leopard was the pinnacle of the previous UI paradigm and we had years and years of development until we got there. Yosemite is the first version with the visual change. Of course there would be rough edges and there definitively are some legibility issues with corner cases. This will also be improved in the subsequent releases.
But that is basically it. There is also a small number of people that have massive problems — personal or otherwise — with the new interface. As I have said before, the only real choice for these people is to switch to a different platform — because Apple is certainly not going to reverse its course.
This person gets it. If the tool is not working for you anymore, change it. Emotional attachment to tools is misplaced.
BTW., would be very interested in your opinion about the new windows and the Surface Pro. I still have to work with Windows on regular basis and I recently had a SP3 in my hands and I find both borderline unusable, especially comparing to Yosemite. Sure, Windows 8.1 is responsive and has more contrast, but the organisation of the information is beyond awful and the whole UI is incredibly dysfunctional (IMO of course).
Stuff
The scope of future Flavours 2
August:
Two weeks ago:
I expect Flavours 2 will be very good, but I no longer hope for a third party to fix the title bar of Safari.
(I'm not disappointed with the advice from interacto.)
Bugs
I like the optimism but it's too general for some of what's reported.
Human nature
It's not unusual for people to be emotional about some types of inanimate object. Or emotional about software, or about a subject online. Finding entertainment in this topic, for example; that's an emotion.
OT: Microsoft Windows and Surface Pro 3
I read a fair amount of that topic (around fifteen of eighteen pages). Over to https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=20521552#post20521552
The scope of future Flavours 2
August:
Two weeks ago:
I expect Flavours 2 will be very good, but I no longer hope for a third party to fix the title bar of Safari.
(I'm not disappointed with the advice from interacto.)
Bugs
I like the optimism but it's too general for some of what's reported.
Human nature
It's not unusual for people to be emotional about some types of inanimate object. Or emotional about software, or about a subject online. Finding entertainment in this topic, for example; that's an emotion.
OT: Microsoft Windows and Surface Pro 3
I read a fair amount of that topic (around fifteen of eighteen pages). Over to https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=20521552#post20521552
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I would like and tend to be an optimist myself.
Nevertheless, realism prevails. Just the other day I had a chat with Apple Support. I was interested whether they have an answer, how they treat the problem etc. Overall the result was what I expected. No solution was provided, though I was unfair as what I have mentioned have not been solved for years. And it is a very simple issue, like the rest.
It might seem trivial, but think about it. The UI is the most important feature. It's the interface between the human and the machine. If it isn't efficient to use or to visually parse, the whole process of manipulating the computer and it's data becomes slower and frustrating.
I agree 100%. It is one of the most important features. Like many things in life.
Beautiful or ugly woman... if the "UI" is not suitable you won't even approach.
Oh, there are tons of bugs in OS X that have been dragged on for years or more and never have been fixed. E.g. the inability of copy-paste files from Mail to Finder, which drives me insane at times. But the critical bugs are much more likely to be fixed promptly thats why they are critical.
Sure, but what are alternatives? I mean, if a person says that they abandon OS X and go to Windows because 'Yosemite is too flat', then my reaction is
So you don't like flat and thats why you go super--super-flat? Makes no sense to me.
Sure, the one I had problem with also falls under the category of "driving me crazy". Maybe I should forget to be a maximalist. Just use it as it is.
Beautiful or ugly woman... if the "UI" is not suitable you won't even approach.
LOL I won't argue with that!
...and merry xmas to all!
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