Yosemite looks terrible!

[typicaluser]

I am a big fan of skeuomorphism. Even today I still hold an illusion that what current Apple UI design is doing is to mislead the way UI is designed intentionally because behind the scene Apple is secretly developing a much improved UI language with skeuomorphism in its heart. The reason I love skeuomorphism as a design scheme for computing OSes and think it's the right way to go lies in the fact that when presented with buttons or other UI elements with physical feelings people tend to recognize it more quickly and interact with them more confidently than those designed otherwise. At least this is how I feel. I don't want to feel like I am browsing webpages and clicking links when I am actually giving my command to a computing device which alters thing internally in the system.

I simply don't agree with Sir Jonathan Ive's idea that with so many year passed, people are getting used to how modern graphical OSes work and they can easily separate UI elements from contents in a screen, so a more simple and elegant design could be possible. There is no doubt people today can interact with a flat design better than people in the old days. But it doesn't mean that people today would find more usability in flat design than skeuomorphism. Every time when I had a chance to use an iPhone with iOS 6 or earlier version I could clearly feel the certainty conveyed by the UI: a button is a button, a key is a key. You just can't mistake. You can feel the confidence when you hit a key on the soft keypad as it's so real that it give you the illusion that the phone is as responsive as current models.

I am sad to see that Yosemite only gets 2.5 stars rating but at the same time happy that a lot of people gave low ratings for the undesirable design of the UI.

Update: And I feel so lucky that I didn't upgrade my Mavericks. Hooray!

 

[Ulenspiegel]

LOL I won't argue with that!


...and merry xmas to all!

Thanks Morpheo! Merry Christmas to you too!

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I am a big fan of skeuomorphism. Even today I still hold an illusion that what current Apple UI design is doing is to mislead the way UI is designed intentionally because behind the scene Apple is secretly developing a much improved UI language with skeuomorphism in its heart. The reason I love skeuomorphism as a design scheme for computing OSes and think it's the right way to go lies in the fact that when presented with buttons or other UI elements with physical feelings people tend to recognize it more quickly and interact with them more confidently than those designed otherwise. At least this is how I feel. I don't want to feel like I am browsing webpages and clicking links when I am actually giving my command to a computing device which alters thing internally in the system.

I simply don't agree with Sir Jonathan Ive's idea that with so many year passed, people are getting used to how modern graphical OSes work and they can easily separate UI elements from contents in a screen, so a more simple and elegant design could be possible. There is no doubt people today can interact with a flat design better than people in the old days. But it doesn't mean that people today would find more usability in flat design than skeuomorphism. Every time when I had a chance to use an iPhone with iOS 6 or earlier version I could clearly feel the certainty conveyed by the UI: a button is a button, a key is a key. You just can't mistake. You can feel the confidence when you hit a key on the soft keypad as it's so real that it give you the illusion that the phone is as responsive as current models.

I am sad to see that Yosemite only gets 2.5 stars rating but at the same time happy that a lot of people gave low ratings for the undesirable design of the UI.

I feel the same way and share your view!

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

I just spent the last 2 hours fooling with Yosemite. My conclusion: WHAT A PIECE OF CRAP!!!!
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WELL DONE, JONATHAN IVE!!!! WELL DONE!!!

Now that you've managed to make yourself the head of all OS operations, what can we expect next? Perhaps some type of move where a user needs to use their elbows on a trackpad to access their home folder? How about this idea: Get rid of that confusing Unix kernel and replace it with a single tasking kernel like Apple had back in the early '80s. Multi-tasking can be soooooooo confusing to idiots. Golly Gosh!!! I changed windows and the process kept running….that's sooooooooo confusing. If only the OS would act like an iPhone and stop processing when someone isn't looking at it!!!!

Where does the stupidity stop?????

It doesn't stop until someone like Tim Cook gets the message that it's heading in the wrong direction. Unfortunately, between a lack of feedback where it matters and 2/3 of all Apple users either liking or not hating Yosemite, nothing will likely change, even so. It's slow? So what? Most Apple users apparently buy a new Mac every year or every other year. They're unlikely to even notice (more so with iOS and things like iPhones).

It would have been nice to have a real "Mac guy" in charge of OS X. Sadly, Ive seems to fancy himself to be the modern day Leonardo Da Vinci and all the positive press just fans the flames of his ego. No longer just a hardware guy, he's apparently the bell of the ball, the kind of the castle. No one and no thing can stop him from ruling the Universe. Or so he thinks? Just look at the smug look on his face in his press photos. He just strikes me as as totally arrogant at this point, like he runs Apple single handedly.

Apple is using a lack of upgrades as their usual PUSH to try and force people to upgrade, but more so these days since "upgrades" (if you can call them that) are FREE. But to get the new iPhoto or even the new Safari (a new low, IMO as Safari USED to get updated for older OS versions for at least a little while. Now they're abandoned the moment the new OS X release comes out save major bugs), you must get the new OS and too bad if it's slow or buggy or it's visually unappealing. He is Ive of Borg and you WILL be assimilated. I'd seriously consider Windows again, except that Metro has even less appeal to me than Yosemite (yeah it's that bad/ugly). I'm curious to see how Windows 10 pans out, though. Perhaps given how they've skipped Window 9, it means it will have a huge makeover. Many business professionals are apparently VERY unhappy with the whole Metro thing so perhaps they will finally make Windows a serious operating system again. Windows has always been boring and often buggy, but at least Win7 and XP got the job done (albeit with the constant threat of malware).

I mostly prefer OS X at this point for the lack of malware, more so than the GUI (well compared to Windows 7; like I said Win8 is awful looking). Apple doesn't seem to have any intention of ever getting OpenGL fully up-to-date let alone creating a more game friendly Mac, so I feel like whether I stick with OS X in the future is truly up in the air. They killed the Mac Mini with this last release for any high power users (CPU wise) and I'm not a fan of the iMac due to the needless changing of the monitor, but the 5k model does look interesting and actually has a reasonable GPU for once (more to power the 5k monitor than any support for things like gaming, of course). Still, even with bad support and a medicore GPU, I have 53 Mac games on Steam alone (playing Borderlands 2 series at the moment and it runs just fine here at medium resolutions with high detail).

 

[leman]

Apple doesn't seem to have any intention of ever getting OpenGL fully up-to-date let alone creating a more game friendly Mac, so I feel like whether I stick with OS X in the future is truly up in the air.

OpenGL is a dead horse. The sooner it dies, the better for all of us. Apple does care about GPU performance, which is clearly shown both in their experimentation with graphics API (Metal, which could be easily adopted for desktop) and investment into new open-source graphics API (OpenGL next). And of course, they were the original developer behind OpenCL. Instead of implementing GL 4.5 (what purpose would it serve anyway, except maybe sparse textures, that can be quite useful?), I'd rather see a low driver overhead, minimal graphics API in 10.11

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

OpenGL is a dead horse. The sooner it dies, the better for all of us. Apple does care about GPU performance, which is clearly shown both in their experimentation with graphics API (Metal, which could be easily adopted for desktop) and investment into new open-source graphics API (OpenGL next). And of course, they were the original developer behind OpenCL. Instead of implementing GL 4.5 (what purpose would it serve anyway, except maybe sparse textures, that can be quite useful?), I'd rather see a low driver overhead, minimal graphics API in 10.11

I'm sure the developers of OpenGL would be interested to know their API is a dead horse. I don't get that impression from their web site (https://www.opengl.org/)

 

[leman]

I'm sure the developers of OpenGL would be interested to know their API is a dead horse. I don't get that impression from their web site (https://www.opengl.org/)

They are more than aware of it. FYI, I am a regular member of the OpenGL forums since 2001. Even though I stopped actively programming with OpenGL few years ago.

P.S. OpenGL had a big chance in the early 2000th, there were some great looking plans for OpenGL 2.0 back then (3Dlabs have released an amazing API preview). But it was all butchered by the ARB board and since then OpenGL is kind of a story of delays and bureaucracy. Sure, the Nvidia drivers have tons of extensions that makes OpenGL into an efficient, modern API, but those changes themselves go agains the very nature of OpenGL (its state machine, server based organisation). Better take the Nvidia extensions and rebuild them as a new API whatsoever, add a conformance test suite and a shading language parser. This is the only way to get a stable, high-performance, non-idiosyncratic driver. OpenGL has 25 years of baggage behind it. Developing drivers for modern hardware under its model is a nightmare.

P.P.S. And of course, I should have mentioned the Longs Peak/OpenGL 3.0 disaster

 

[tschunde]

Hackernews Yosemite Hate Thread

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8791370

 

[Choctaw]

n Yosemite (yeah it's that bad/ugly). I'm curious to see how Windows 10 pans out

I can understand your thinking here. I used windows from 1984 exclusively up to and including Win 7. However when Win 8 arrived on the market I stayed with Win 7 on my network consisting of two PC's, but added my 1st iMac thinking crap if MS is going to disappointment users by taking away the basic things we have grown to work with I will go a new directions. So yes I got me an iMac. It was a fresh look at how computers could look and work in the Apple world. I have enjoyed those times of learning the different way my iMac compares to MS. Then boom, I find myself reading in MacRumors of all the turmoil that new upgrade of Yosemite has caused. I did not upgrade yet and wonder if this thing of beauty and enjoyment I have learned is on it's way out. I for sure will be adding Windows 10 to my PC's hoping they have fixed the mess of all those touch screen mixed up operations of Win 8. Like you stated it, I am on the fence now and glad I have PC's waiting for Win 10. But I will not let my iMac go if the Yosemite thing settles down and works correctly and looks decent.

 

[3rdGradeTchr]

More than two hundred thousand views, and a few of these readers will be people who have silently followed, with interest, maybe from the beginning. 3rdGradeTchr broke his or her silence just once, after reading for more than three months, around ten days after the initial release:

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When things become heated, as they will occasionally, it's worth recalling the quiet appreciation of an unknown number of readers.

"His" silence. And still here reading appreciatively the pros and cons. And still on Mavericks!

 

[bcubed9]

Can you tell or point to the steps please TheBSDGuy..

Which is exactly what I did, but how many Mac users know how to do that? Not very many, I would guess.

Apple needs to be concerned about how the operating system presents itself to potential users. If they look at Yosemite and think it looks stupid, childish, or whatever, that's one lost potential customer. If they start alienating their own users, then there are some that will switch to something else.

What would be nice would be if they would allow us to configure GUI effects to suit our own preferences without hacking at the OS or transferring files from a previous version.

Like I said, this is all opinions, but I can't see this thing impressing too many people.

Can you tell or point to the steps please TheBSDGuy.. Help us others that are short on savvy

/System/Library/CoreServices/CoreTypes.bundle/Contents/Resources

 

[Zetaprime]

Whatever people in here say about Yosemite the only thing that matters to me is that it sure beats Windows.

 

[Choctaw]

Whatever people in here say about Yosemite the only thing that matters to me is that it sure beats Windows.

Yes Windows 8 sucks. Just wait, Win 10 is coming and MS just might win back some disgruntled users stuck with the dislikes of Yosemite. Who can tell, heck Apple might pop their heads out of the dark spot they have chosen and fix things.

 

[Zetaprime]

Yosemite looks terrible!

Yes Windows 8 sucks. Just wait, Win 10 is coming and MS just might win back some disgruntled users stuck with the dislikes of Yosemite. Who can tell, heck Apple might pop their heads out of the dark spot they have chosen and fix things.

No way would any shortcomings of Yosemite would ever make me want to use Windows 8, 10, or whatever. I'm sure most Mac users feel the same.

 

[Choctaw]

No way would any shortcomings of Yosemite would ever make me want to use Windows 8, 10, or whatever. I'm sure most Mac users feel the same.

That might have been true before users determined how uncaring Apple developers seem to be with fixing the troubled spots of their new OS Yosemite. Just reading the various posting in the forum makes me think that it is not most users that feel Yosemite is OK, but many are suggesting they might be looking else where soon. That is if things don't start to shape up. Who can tell how this will all turn out. I certainly can't.

I have seen business that were strong, but new ways of doing things and poor choices distorted them. Example Montgomery Ward

 

[Zetaprime]

That might have been true before users determined how uncaring Apple developers seem to be with fixing the troubled spots of their new OS Yosemite. Just reading the various posting in the forum makes me think that it is not most users that feel Yosemite is OK, but many are suggesting they might be looking else where soon. That is if things don't start to shape up. Who can tell how this will all turn out. I certainly can't.



I have seen business that were strong, but new ways of doing things and poor choices distorted them. Example Montgomery Ward

That's some users, maybe, but not all. And I'm not one of them. It'll be cold day in hell before I would ever prefer any version of Windows. Windows is a hopeless mess which will never be any good no matter how many versions they go through.

 

[m.bico]

It does indeed! It came shipped in with my mid 2014 rMBP model..can i then perform a clean install of Mavericks via USB without any problems affecting performance and quality? "as in this warning article claims for instance: http://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201686

 

[indraq]

Yosemite GUI is best viewed with non-glare display. Totally eye-straining from iMac glared display anyway.

 

[n-evo]

Yes Windows 8 sucks. Just wait, Win 10 is coming and MS just might win back some disgruntled users stuck with the dislikes of Yosemite.

Windows 10 is going to feature a flatter / 2D look worse than Windows 8 and OS X Yosemite combined. So if you dislike the OS X Yosemite "flat" appearance and switching to Windows 10 as a consequence, you're really not making any sense at all.

To show you what I mean, this is what the Windows 10 updated icons look like:

 

[b0fh666]

wtf is wrong with today's OS designers, that looks like discovery kids ****** cartoons

 

[Partron22]

Windows 10 is going to feature a flatter / 2D look worse than Windows 8 and OS X Yosemite combined.

Too much color there. We need to get back to our greyscale, or preferably black and green computer roots. Anything more simply is not minimalism.

 

[joedec]

Too much color there. We need to get back to our greyscale, or preferably black and green computer roots. Anything more simply is not minimalism.

Its amazing the lack of color, Apple seems bent on no more that 6 in iOS, a little better in Mac OS, but here we have 4 colors.

I am really surprised this caught on. We had a huge initiative (at a PC company) about 4 years ago to convert products to flat, colorless awful looking stuff. I thought after I left it died, I guess I was wrong.

 

[Ulenspiegel]

wtf is wrong with today's OS designers, that looks like discovery kids ****** cartoons

ROFTLMAO. Yep, exactly the same reaction here. Kids drawing in the kindergarten for extra candy.

 

[435713]

wtf is wrong with today's OS designers, that looks like discovery kids ****** cartoons

Exactly. I noticed everything looks kind of meh to me.

I loved iOS6 and prior on looks. iOS7 was a bag of meh to me.

Liked Win7, even liked the Vista look. Win8/10 another bag of meh. Xbox One UI is meh. Xbox 360 got progressively worse over time. I loved the original "blades" they used.

PS4 actually isn't too bad to me, just way too much blue on blue. Actually will give Sony a thumbs up compared to what is out today.

Android looked really nice at 4.2 Jellybean, after that it has looked very meh.

Not all the aesthetics are bad on the current OS's, there are things I like, but overall, current OS's look like trash IMO.

 

[VisualEyes]

Too much emphasis on looks, not enough on utility

While Yosemite's looks may be considered "great" or "horrible", that's largely a matter of esthetics and personal taste.

Instead, I focus more on utility and how they make it harder to use what were great features of the previous OS X releases. Perfect example is Spotlight, which instead of creating a much greater list of options as it did in Mavericks, it pops over into the center of the screen and gives you a smaller window (scrollable, but who cares?) of options. Further, it's "Find All in Finder" option is now at the BOTTOM of the list, which makes it even harder to get to. Let's face it, it sucks.

Instead, I'll again have to use a 3rd party utility (Found from Found Software, Inc. in case you're interested). If Apple wants to keep improving their OS to make more users have to go away from the installed capabilities, fine... but why stick with OS X if that's the case? Linux... here I come.

 

[b0fh666]

Exactly. I noticed everything looks kind of meh to me.

I loved iOS6 and prior on looks. iOS7 was a bag of meh to me.

Liked Win7, even liked the Vista look. Win8/10 another bag of meh. Xbox One UI is meh. Xbox 360 got progressively worse over time. I loved the original "blades" they used.

PS4 actually isn't too bad to me, just way too much blue on blue. Actually will give Sony a thumbs up compared to what is out today.

Android looked really nice at 4.2 Jellybean, after that it has looked very meh.

Not all the aesthetics are bad on the current OS's, there are things I like, but overall, current OS's look like trash IMO.

same here. windows 7 was gorgeous, win8 is an abomination.

minimalism my arse