Yosemite. Why is Apple embarrassing us like this?

[maflynn]

People complained when apple charged 125 dollars for the OS.
People complained when they had to wait 2-3 years for the upgrade.
They're now complaining its free and annual - go figure.

I think Yosemite is a solid improvement with lots of integration with iOS which was one of Apple's big intentions.

I guess if anyone doesn't like the idea of upgrading their Macs with a free OS, then they can stick with Mavericks. I'm not trying to sound harsh but my point is if you don't like it, then don't use it.

 

[dannys1]

I can't test with an iPad as I have a third gen, which isn't compatible.

However I have had not had to reboot this Mac since I upgraded it to Yosemite, nor have I rebooted my phone since I installed iOS 8.1 I swapped between my iPhone and Mac while typing this. It has been faultless.

DON'T then, whatever you do, don't restart either, it'll break

 

[ABC5S]

Erm. . . .it is pretty widespread. Many many people are moaning about Yosemite.

Also - it's hardly me when I updated from the last version of Mavericks to Yosemite. What could I do wrong apart from download and install it from the App Store It's been slow running nothing but Safari. It's an Apple issue. Perhaps in a few updates we'll get to the final version.

It runs fine on my iMac (one of the super slim models). . .and I have exactly the same Apps, and exactly the same programmes.

Some on this one forum is not wide spread. Please look up the word "Wide" before you use that word to know what it actually means and use a bit of common since about 1 forum out of millions of Yosemite users.

 

[grahamperrin]

Mavericks will not be an option for some customers

… I'm not trying to sound harsh but my point is if you don't like it, then don't use it.

maflynn, +1
for your post as a whole, but let's remember that some customers will not have that choice.

I'm lucky – the MacBook Pro that I expect to get, within the next couple of weeks, is expected to be compatible with Mavericks. Other purchasers of new Apple hardware may be less lucky; I expect some models to be incompatible.

(This is a fairly frequent argument … I responded to something similar not long ago, but can't find the post at the moment.)

 

[fisherking]

If you appreciate innovation; you embrace change; you use a Mac and expect the best – if those things are true and the looks of Yosemite trouble you: tell Apple and please consider this petition …

really? apple's going to CHANGE the look of yosemite because less than 1% of it's user base makes a petition?

your choice is toadapt, or stay with an earlier OS. OR...customize things (i changed ALL my system folders and some dock icons, etc with liteicon).

bottom line: the under-the-hood stuff matters most, and, in general, for most of us, 10.10 runs beautifully. THAT'S what a modern OS should do: run well.

 

[Lachhh]

if anyone doesn't like the idea of upgrading their Macs with a free OS, then they can stick with Mavericks. (...) if you don't like it, then don't use it.

Clearly this is too tall an order for some. By the way some people complain you'd think they're being forced to use the OS at gunpoint. There's enough choices out there, people.

For me, that's Yosemite all the way. Couldn't do without Handoff anymore and the interface means I no longer have to Flavors my OS in order to bear the way it looks.

 

[grahamperrin]

bottom line: the under-the-hood stuff matters most …

I'll make that uppermost. For my response, please see the bottom half of this post – without skipping the parts in between.

… your choice is toadapt,

Is that a Toad distro?

Please forgive the light tease – for me and I don't know how many others, spelling is very on-topic. Reading one of my other posts, with something related as its primary focus, should help you to understand that the minority of people eventually concerned may be significantly greater than, not less than, the percentage that you guessed.

or stay with an earlier OS. OR...customize …

There are additional choices, some of which I mentioned/reviewed at length in another recent post.

… By the way some people complain you'd think they're being forced to use the OS at gunpoint …

My reasons for abandoning Yosemite were made clear to Apple months ago. I wasn't forced to use it then, no-one held a gun then or now. I use Mavericks, freely, and expect to continue to do so for maybe years to come. Back to the essence of that opening line …

Is the user interface more, or less, important than the otherwise unusable stuff, the stuff that's under-the-hood?

A)

For a person who can work without a GUI – maybe, for someone who's extremely competent with a terminal (maybe a remote terminal, on a different type of computer) for the majority of their work: I could agree, "the under-the-hood stuff matters most".

B)

For a person who has limited Terminal-oriented skills, who can not do the majority of their work without a GUI: the GUI is important, but it can be argued that the beauty and functionality (of that GUI) is not of paramount importance.

C)

For a person who finds the GUI painful, or intolerable for some other reason, there's naturally concern about the appearance of that GUI.

That A-B-C is a gross oversimplification, but hopefully people can get the idea.

At http://tinyurl.com/1010uglystick please page down to the miscellany then (without bothering to follow any link to any tweet), speed through the phrases that follow. Forewarning: there's profanity.

Without counting or guessing a percentage, please: what do readers here think about the nature of some of those complaints?

Incidentally, for Apple products, arguments that focus on majority-versus-minority may be the easiest of arguments to critique. (That's been done, already, I don't know how many times.)

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Oops, there's that signature below, yet again. How careless of me Apple (Me, I'm taking care to not link from my signature to the many profane reactions to Yosemite.)

 

[Lachhh]

I use Mavericks, freely, and expect to continue to do so for maybe years to come.

Good for you.

As for the rest, you have an amusing inclination of saying things in 20 sentences that most others would manage to say in 2. In a curious way, you're like a reverse-Joe-Monco.

Tired and hungry, so I think I'll just say yes to the rest and move on.

Yes.

 

[Michaelgtrusa]

My hats off off Apple/Ive trying something new and different.

 

[fisherking]

I'll make that uppermost. For my response, please see the bottom half of this post – without skipping the parts in between.



Is that a Toad distro?

Please forgive the light tease – for me and I don't know how many others, spelling is very on-topic. Reading one of my other posts, with something related as its primary focus, should help you to understand that the minority of people eventually concerned may be significantly greater than, not less than, the percentage that you guessed.



There are additional choices, some of which I mentioned/reviewed at length in another recent post.



My reasons for abandoning Yosemite were made clear to Apple months ago. I wasn't forced to use it then, no-one held a gun then or now. I use Mavericks, freely, and expect to continue to do so for maybe years to come. Back to the essence of that opening line …

Is the user interface more, or less, important than the otherwise unusable stuff, the stuff that's under-the-hood?

A)

For a person who can work without a GUI – maybe, for someone who's extremely competent with a terminal (maybe a remote terminal, on a different type of computer) for the majority of their work: I could agree, "the under-the-hood stuff matters most".

B)

For a person who has limited Terminal-oriented skills, who can not do the majority of their work without a GUI: the GUI is important, but it can be argued that the beauty and functionality (of that GUI) is not of paramount importance.

C)

For a person who finds the GUI painful, or intolerable for some other reason, there's naturally concern about the appearance of that GUI.

That A-B-C is a gross oversimplification, but hopefully people can get the idea.

At http://tinyurl.com/1010uglystick please page down to the miscellany then (without bothering to follow any link to any tweet), speed through the phrases that follow. Forewarning: there's profanity.

Without counting or guessing a percentage, please: what do readers here think about the nature of some of those complaints?

Incidentally, for Apple products, arguments that focus on majority-versus-minority may be the easiest of arguments to critique. (That's been done, already, I don't know how many times.)

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Oops, there's that signature below, yet again. How careless of me Apple (Me, I'm taking care to not link from my signature to the many profane reactions to Yosemite.)

in your honor, i will NOT edit my post to fix "toadapt"...(wrote that on my iphone). but seriously...move forward, or stay back. there really is no other choice...

 

[macenied]

Yupp, telnet and vi for everyone !

No issue with GUI's whatsoever.

Seriously, in 2014/2015 we should have GUI's. They are limited anyways. But people need to stop to judge about an OS based on it's GUI design. This is misleading.

 

[grahamperrin]

… seriously...move forward, or stay back. there really is no other choice...

I'll add the phrase "stay current" – what I have is only around a year old, and recently updated, and supported, so I can't think of it as outdated or 'back'. I'm basically staying current with the beauty of Mavericks, whilst both (a) appreciating what's beautiful about OS X 10.10 and (b) moving forward with other options. At some point in the future I'll think of Mavericks as outdated. When, I can't guess. No rush.

 

[macenied]

I'll add the phrase "stay current" – what I have is only around a year old, and recently updated, and supported, so I can't think of it as outdated or 'back'. I'm basically staying current with the beauty of Mavericks, whilst both (a) appreciating what's beautiful about OS X 10.10 and (b) moving forward with other options. At some point in the future I'll think of Mavericks as outdated. When, I can't guess. No rush.

Outdated ? The first version of UNIX was created in 1969 by Kenneth Thompson and Dennis Ritchie ... Mavericks is an alpha release in best case.

 

[grahamperrin]

Three little words that mean a lot

… 20 sentences …

I can only apologise. Screenshot attached, extraordinarily succinct. Just one sentence, fifteen words – and that sentence can be ignored.

The three-word subject line – alone – may be at the core of why Yosemite didn't work for me (and a few others like me … early days):

 

[Lachhh]

I can only apologise. Screenshot attached, extraordinarily succinct. Just one sentence, fifteen words – and that sentence can be ignored.

The three-word subject line – alone – may be at the core of why Yosemite didn't work for me (and a few others like me … early days):

Image

I'm well enough aquainted with your taste by now to know why you dislike Yosemite's GUI. It needs more gnomes.
And no, no. grahamperrin + dyslexia = Adam King. You're not him, are you?

I also think we're well on our way to derailing every thread in this forum. See you around.

 

[grahamperrin]

The name Adam King means nothing to me, sorry

For divine or supernatural use of a name or phrase previously not understood by me, I'm inclined to read, discover and then reflect. If lady luck is good to me, I'll stumble across something relevant within minutes of the discovery.

More regular uses of unknown names or phrases just pass me by …only mildly verbose, serendipitous, with a track to another topic, but easily derailed if the right button is pressed at the wrong time

 

[Lachhh]

Looks like we enjoy some of the same things about the website. I also think orestes1984 has my character down pretty well. I also compensate for my bad eyesight by being a cynical elitist online. I finesse people into googling things so often you'd think I was paid by google.

I love going off topic. Mods however do not. You also sound so much like TEG it makes me want to hug you.

 

[jsmith189]

I'm more confused as to why you'd be embarrassed over a piece of software.

 

[r0k]

I sit here in front of my 2010 Mac mini running Yosemite because I don't feel like walking downstairs to sit in front of my MBP running Yosemite. Both have 8GB of RAM. I also have a white Macbook running Lion on 6GB of RAM. The MBP and Mac mini are SSD based and the Whitebook is running on the original 5400 RPM HDD.

The one thing that bugs me is the beachball. When I switch tabs in Chrome Canary and quickly start typing in the new tab, I have to sit there for a few seconds staring at... a freakin' beachball. Perhaps Yosemite contributes to this. I can't remember how often I saw the darn thing in Mavericks or Mountain Lion. Perhaps there is some issue with Yosemite. Perhaps not. None of my machines has the "proper" bluetooth to support handoff and I'm not eager to crack them open and install different bluetooth daughter boards so I guess I'll just ignore that for a moment. Having almost half a dozen things ring every time I get a phone call gets to be a bit unnerving (Macbook Pro, iPhone, iPad mini, Mac mini). It's enough to make my head spin. I think I'll be looking for a way to turn that feature off but otherwise I'm happy with Yosemite and it's not an "embarrassment" in any way.

I do like the ability to compose iMessages or even SMS at the keyboard of my computer or on my iPad's generous onscreen or bluetooth keyboard instead of only on my iPhone. The ability to have content show up more than one place is something I enjoyed with email that SMS and iMessage was always lacking so I tended to ignore them. Now that I don't have to dig for my phone to reply to a text, I tend to use texting more.