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Alan-in-CO

macrumors member
Oct 14, 2008
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It's illegal because the only people who are legally allowed to download the software are the ones who pay Apple for development privileges.


AppleSeed members are also eligible for the GM download. There is no charge, since AppleSeed participation is by invite from Apple only.

Just to clear that up.
 

thomaskc

macrumors 6502
Aug 19, 2010
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AppleSeed members are also eligible for the GM download. There is no charge, since AppleSeed participation is by invite from Apple only.

Just to clear that up.

just out of curiosity, how do apple pick people for these invites? or is it mainly people who have friends working in one way or another for apple, that can sign people up? :)
 

JuicyJones

macrumors member
Mar 20, 2011
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If I install the GM, can I just leave it on after release and continue to receive updates?

Likely not "Software Updates" will take you to the App Store "Updates Tab", you wont be able to update an application that you don't have a valid purchase for.
 

Lancer

macrumors 68020
Jul 22, 2002
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Australia
I understand wanting the latest OS X but why now wait a couple more weeks and get the update then?

When the new iMac comes I'll hopefully have the best of both worlds, my current G5 Leopard and a new Mountain Lion iMac both within arms reach of each other.

Dumb question but I haven't had much experience with Lion and understand 'Save As' is no more, has this changed in ML?

They're really gonna charge us 20 dollars for this?

You know you don't have to buy it right?
 

stiligFox

macrumors 68000
Apr 24, 2009
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Anyway, I'm glad to see the GM is out; I'm looking forward to the official release! I keep refreshing the All the Little Things! thread hoping there at least a couple new "little things." :D
 
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blow45

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Jan 18, 2011
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You know you don't have to buy it right?

What sort of reply is this? You don't have to buy? We should feel appreciative that they don't stick a gun to our heads and say BUY or DIE?

This software is a service pack to lion, it's not a new os.

Not all people you know drink the kool aid to think that notes, reminders, chinese and twitter warrant a new os. Neither do bug fixes - if they've bothered with them, cause I 've not heard anything yet about their piss poor custom smb protocol. Not all people think autofill passwords in safari, and reading list offline are exactly os features to be touted in a keynote.

You know what the right price for it should have been?

$0

You know how much apple will be making off this, if half of the 50 million os x users upgrade? one billion dollars.

Does anyone, in their right mind (note: this is important, they have to be in their right mind to make this judgment) think mountain lion is worth one billion dollars? For what, tweaking a few ui items? Staying a kernel behind ios? Featuring almost ZERO new features (oh I forgot, airplay, boy that's hard to implement...)

p.s. don't just downrate me boys, cause I already got a -1, answer with arguments to what I am saying. I know some of you boys have itchy fingers to downrate, but let us hear your counter arguments here too.
 
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Comeagain?

macrumors 68020
Feb 17, 2011
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Spokane, WA
What sort of reply is this? You don't have to buy? We should feel appreciative that they don't stick a gun to our heads and say BUY or DIE?

This software is a service pack to lion, it's not a new os.

Not all people you know drink the kool aid to think that notes, reminders, chinese and twitter warrant a new os. Neither do bug fixes - if they've bothered with them, cause I 've not heard anything yet about their piss poor custom smb protocol. Not all people think autofill passwords in safari, and reading list offline are exactly os features to be touted in a keynote.

You know the right what the right price for it should have been?

$0

You know how much apple will be making off this, if half of the 50 million os x users upgrade? one billion dollars.

Does anyone, in the right mind (note: this is important, they have to be in their right mind to make this judgment) think mountain lion is worth one billion dollars? For what, tweaking a few ui items? Staying a kernel behind ios? Featuring almost ZERO new features (oh I forgot, airplay, boy that's hard to implement...)

If it bothers you THIS MUCH, then don't upgrade. Really show them that they've screwed up. Who really cares what Darwin version it is compared to iOS? What does that change for the end user? Even if people think it is just a "service pack" it includes new features and API's for developers, and runs so much faster then Lion, even on older systems. It's well worth a mere $20 USD.
 

daneoni

macrumors G4
Mar 24, 2006
11,841
1,577
What sort of reply is this? You don't have to buy? We should feel appreciative that they don't stick a gun to our heads and say BUY or DIE?

This software is a service pack to lion, it's not a new os.

Not all people you know drink the kool aid to think that notes, reminders, chinese and twitter warrant a new os. Neither do bug fixes - if they've bothered with them, cause I 've not heard anything yet about their piss poor custom smb protocol. Not all people think autofill passwords in safari, and reading list offline are exactly os features to be touted in a keynote.

You know what the right price for it should have been?

$0

You know how much apple will be making off this, if half of the 50 million os x users upgrade? one billion dollars.

Does anyone, in their right mind (note: this is important, they have to be in their right mind to make this judgment) think mountain lion is worth one billion dollars? For what, tweaking a few ui items? Staying a kernel behind ios? Featuring almost ZERO new features (oh I forgot, airplay, boy that's hard to implement...)

p.s. don't just downrate me boys, cause I already got a -1, answer with arguments to what I am saying. I know some of you boys have itchy fingers to downrate, but let us hear your counter arguments here too.
Well...the price has been set. I suggest you get over it quickly or stick with Lion or Snow Leopard.

If you're that irate about it...http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html
 

stiligFox

macrumors 68000
Apr 24, 2009
1,565
1,646
10.0.1.3
What sort of reply is this? You don't have to buy? We should feel appreciative that they don't stick a gun to our heads and say BUY or DIE?

This software is a service pack to lion, it's not a new os.

Not all people you know drink the kool aid to think that notes, reminders, chinese and twitter warrant a new os. Neither do bug fixes - if they've bothered with them, cause I 've not heard anything yet about their piss poor custom smb protocol. Not all people think autofill passwords in safari, and reading list offline are exactly os features to be touted in a keynote.

You know what the right price for it should have been?

$0

You know how much apple will be making off this, if half of the 50 million os x users upgrade? one billion dollars.

Does anyone, in their right mind (note: this is important, they have to be in their right mind to make this judgment) think mountain lion is worth one billion dollars? For what, tweaking a few ui items? Staying a kernel behind ios? Featuring almost ZERO new features (oh I forgot, airplay, boy that's hard to implement...)

p.s. don't just downrate me boys, cause I already got a -1, answer with arguments to what I am saying. I know some of you boys have itchy fingers to downrate, but let us hear your counter arguments here too.

While I agree ML is what Lion should've been, ML is not a "service pack." From Wikipedia:

"A service pack (in short SP) is a collection of updates, fixes or enhancements to a software program delivered in the form of a single installable package. Companies often release a service pack when the number of individual patches to a given program reaches a certain (arbitrary) limit. Installing a service pack is easier and less error-prone than installing a high number of patches individually, even more so when updating multiple computers over a network."

This is not a collection of updates, so...
 

sireShonBohn

macrumors regular
Jun 18, 2012
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0
see, this is the kind of self-righteous indignation that makes me laugh at the supposed high-ground morality police.

I buy my apple upgrades (along with my $2000 computer, thanks. I'm not a kid and i can afford a machine that i don't have to worry much about, otherwise i'd be running linux). But i also like to tinker, and that means my 3-year-old mac laptop gets preview copies of the new oses before they come out. Once the actual upgrade comes out, i'll buy it and install it on my (main) desktop mac.

Don't be so quick to jump to your utterly incorrect conclusions. You just end up sounding like a clueless ass. Which i'm sure you're not. Okay, 90% sure.

Fine, 80%.

Also, my post was tongue-in-cheek. I'm sure the gm will be there within the next 12 hours. I'll have it installed by tomorrow. But that went right over your head, hence my lengthy explanation.

who gives a flip?
 

H. Flower

macrumors 6502a
Jul 23, 2008
759
852
I understand wanting the latest OS X but why now wait a couple more weeks and get the update then?

When the new iMac comes I'll hopefully have the best of both worlds, my current G5 Leopard and a new Mountain Lion iMac both within arms reach of each other.

Dumb question but I haven't had much experience with Lion and understand 'Save As' is no more, has this changed in ML?



You know you don't have to buy it right?

I don't? You sure about that?
 

blow45

macrumors 68000
Jan 18, 2011
1,576
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If it bothers you THIS MUCH, then don't upgrade. Really show them that they've screwed up. Who really cares what Darwin version it is compared to iOS? What does that change for the end user? Even if people think it is just a "service pack" it includes new features and API's for developers, and runs so much faster then Lion, even on older systems. It's well worth a mere $20 USD.

Who cares if they update the os kernel to the latest version? Are you joking? No it doesn't really change anything for the end user, so they might as well revert back 3 kernels of darwin? Are you serious in saying it doesn't benefit the end user? Jesus Christ.

To say it runs faster than lion, isn't really a compliment, seeing as lion was dirt slow, slower than the linuxes, much slower than windows 7. As far as older systems go, which ones are you talking about? The ones apple is force obsoleting? And we shall see how faster it is than lion, when the proper stats about this come out after release.

It's not a mere $20, it's a billion dollars (minimum, could be 1.5 billion) for apple, for a service pack, that a lot of us are forced to upgrade to because lion was such a poor release to begin with.
 
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sireShonBohn

macrumors regular
Jun 18, 2012
180
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Shame, I was hoping Fullscreen would not "negate" my secondary display. Yes, I realize it's more beneficial for single display systems, but it is better than maximizing windows for improved screen real estate. It would be nice to have different fullscreen app's for each display, or for one display fullscreen while not applying a linen desktop to the other display. Never understood this "feature".

The way fullscreen works with spaces would make that confusing as hell. Apple seems to think of fullscreen as a form of presentation rather than a way of working.
 

blow45

macrumors 68000
Jan 18, 2011
1,576
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While I agree ML is what Lion should've been, ML is not a "service pack." From Wikipedia:

"A service pack (in short SP) is a collection of updates, fixes or enhancements to a software program delivered in the form of a single installable package. Companies often release a service pack when the number of individual patches to a given program reaches a certain (arbitrary) limit. Installing a service pack is easier and less error-prone than installing a high number of patches individually, even more so when updating multiple computers over a network."

This is not a collection of updates, so...

yeap, but it is a collection of fixes and enhancements. :)

I think at the end of the day we are playing with semantics. In all honesty, is this closer to a service pack or to a new os?
 
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