10.8 GM Build out...

[espoir]

I'm really not sweating it. If Apple decides to make their systems totally untouchable by users, I'll still buy a laptop from them, just not a work orientated desktop machine.

And in a couple of years, people will buy such machines even for work and they will think about our times with wonder - how did we manage to get inside the hardware and change things by ourselfs?

 

[ZooCrewMan]

Missing Stuff

The ability to log into Facebook is not present, and you no longer have the ability to chose between showing the battery percentage and the time left in the charge in the battery menu-let...

 

[PBP]

Facebook comes this fall in an update...

Damn people don't read

 

[7709876]

From microsoft's website: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/shop

That's the price for Windows 7 Ultimate, and that's what you need to pay if you're upgrading from Vista. Sure, you can update from XP as well, but the only option if you want to upgrade from vista is this.

I'm comparing with Ultimate, because that's the full product without cutting any features out. OS X only has a "ultimate" version since it always comes full featured.

edit: And even if you compare to the cheapest option, it's still more expensive at: $119.99

As I said in the previous post, the latest 3 versions of OS X combined cost $78.98 and you can install them in as many macs as you have. As opposed to only 1 PC for windows 7 ultimate, and there are no "Family Packs" for this "flavor" of windows.

I don't know anyone who (a) buys Windows direct from Microsoft or (b) buys Windows Ultimate.

 

[Sambo110]

First impressions are extremely positive! Since updating to Lion, my iMac was slow. Spotlight would take a few seconds before it showed anyhitng, going fullscreen would sometimes take up to 5 seconds etc. Spotlight now instantly shows what I'm searching for, as it used to. Full screen takes 1-2 seconds, pretty much instant. Definitely glad I installed it, my iMac is much more useable now.

 

[Winni]

I don't know anyone who (a) buys Windows direct from Microsoft or (b) buys Windows Ultimate.

a) Companies and organizations like the United Nations buy their volume licenses directly from Microsoft;

b) I bought Ultimate Editions in the past and in case you wonder, the so-called "Enterprise Edition" is basically a re-branded and volume-licensed Ultimate Edition

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First impressions are extremely positive! Since updating to Lion, my iMac was slow. Spotlight would take a few seconds before it showed anyhitng, going fullscreen would sometimes take up to 5 seconds etc. Spotlight now instantly shows what I'm searching for, as it used to. Full screen takes 1-2 seconds, pretty much instant. Definitely glad I installed it, my iMac is much more useable now.

My experience is exactly the opposite. My Late 2009 27" iMac i5 with 8GB RAM which I purchased in March 2010 now works like crap with the Golden Master of Mountain Lion. The DP1 performed great on that machine, Snow Leopard performed great and Lion performed at least acceptable.

Now with the Golden Master, even the Dock magnification does not work properly anymore - the "wave effect" is not there anymore, icons are only magnified when clicked and then STAY magnified. But the general system performance is now sluggish and unacceptable.

This is planned obsolescence at its best, and that machine still has around nine months of Apple Care left!

This is not the first Apple computer that I owned that became obsolete while it was still in Apple Care - my Mac Pro 1,1 was treated the same way by Apple. That "64-Bit Workstation" (as it said in BIG letters on the box) was not even compatible with OS X Lion, Apple's first "real" 64-Bit OS, when it was released because it only had a 32-Bit EFI. For the record, 64-Bit Windows Vista ran perfectly on that machine.

I think the end of the story now is that this was the last Apple product that I ever bought.

 

[arcade99]

I think the end of the story now is that this was the last Apple product that I ever bought.

On one side I understand your point. On the other side it's a question of alternatives. I would miss the Apple eco system.

 

[nebrot]

Was there a graphics driver update for the MBA 2011?

I would like to know that too, anyone who can share their experience of the GM on a 2011 Air? Does it run smooth, or are the animations & transitions still sluggish?

 

[mabaker]

a) Companies and organizations like the United Nations buy their volume licenses directly from Microsoft;

b) I bought Ultimate Editions in the past and in case you wonder, the so-called "Enterprise Edition" is basically a re-branded and volume-licensed Ultimate Edition

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My experience is exactly the opposite. My Late 2009 27" iMac i5 with 8GB RAM which I purchased in March 2010 now works like crap with the Golden Master of Mountain Lion. The DP1 performed great on that machine, Snow Leopard performed great and Lion performed at least acceptable.

Now with the Golden Master, even the Dock magnification does not work properly anymore - the "wave effect" is not there anymore, icons are only magnified when clicked and then STAY magnified. But the general system performance is now sluggish and unacceptable.

This is planned obsolescence at its best, and that machine still has around nine months of Apple Care left!

This is not the first Apple computer that I owned that became obsolete while it was still in Apple Care - my Mac Pro 1,1 was treated the same way by Apple. That "64-Bit Workstation" (as it said in BIG letters on the box) was not even compatible with OS X Lion, Apple's first "real" 64-Bit OS, when it was released because it only had a 32-Bit EFI. For the record, 64-Bit Windows Vista ran perfectly on that machine.

I think the end of the story now is that this was the last Apple product that I ever bought.

Why is that ONE SINGLE bad user experience attests to Apple's supposed "planned obsolescence"? :roll eyes:

It baffles me how fast people jump to conclusions, especially negative ones.

 

[weckart]

My 2011 mid mini is keeping the fans on high which is new since GM. iStat is no longer reporting temperatures.

Hmm. Not happening with mine. Idle temps is about 35ºC and the fan is running at a default 2000rpm according to iStat Pro. I have no idea why this update popped up since it seems aimed at the Sandy Bridge MBAs rather than the last generation C2Ds like mine.

 

[Purrl]

I would like to know that too, anyone who can share their experience of the GM on a 2011 Air? Does it run smooth, or are the animations & transitions still sluggish?

I don´t know about any graphics update. All I know is that I tried dp4 and the lag was horrible on my 2011 Air. Now with clean install of GM everything (except the turn-page-animation in ical is still worse than in Lion) works at least as smooth, if not smoother, than Lion. I can definitely recommend 2011 air users to try the GM of ML. Works fine for me. And I'm quite sensitive when it comes to animation lag. Can't stand it!

 

[MacRenegade]

True, it's very disappointing. Why alienate older macs or hell even the newer Macbook Pro's from this feature?

Because the supported MBP/MBA use SSDs while other models use HDDs, which would consume a lot of power if they had to spin up all the time.

Might also be a firmware/hardware feature which enables the computer to wake up only the things necessary to get new notifications, not very likely though (but I don't know exactly how Power Nap actually works.)

 

[chaosbunny]

And in a couple of years, people will buy such machines even for work and they will think about our times with wonder - how did we manage to get inside the hardware and change things by ourselfs?

And when the hd fails outside the warranty people will wonder why they have to pay $ 2000,- for a new machine instead of $ 100,- for a new hd.

 

[Krazy Bill]

And when the hd fails outside the warranty people will wonder why they have to pay $ 2000,- for a new machine instead of $ 100,- for a new hd.

I sense many will try to replace their SSD's before the warranty even expires thereby making it void. (Once 3rd parties make them available).

 

[tsugaru]

Anyone else notice video is too smooth in Quicktime now?

I'm on my 2011 iMac. It seems as if the video, regardless of encoded frame rate, is going at the full 60Hz of the display. Kind of offputting at first. It's akin to the 120/240Hz film modes you get on TVs now a days.

Now to find the defaults function to disable that, if possible.

I like how terminal.app keeps your history from your previous session in the window.

 

[shahr04360]

Apple, pls make it fast! Ur stock declining now.

 

[Tyler23]

Installed GM last night, have run into some issues. Would be very grateful if someone could help me out.

Cannot shut down, restart, or log out using the Apple drop down menu. Only way is to hard shut down using the power button.

Wifi will not connect after waking up from sleep. Basically, if I, by habit, close the lid and put my MBP to sleep, I cannot connect to wifi when I wake it back up and am forced to shut down using power button and reboot.

I'm running ML GM on my mid-2009 MBP.

Thanks very any help!

 

[throAU]

Backed up, tried an upgrade from lion and all is well.

Safari is FAST, zoom out and swipe between tabs is cool.
Memory usage is much improved, VMware Fusion didn't even need a reinstall.

Spotlight took ages to index, but that's normal.

My MBP seems to be running cooler, too.

 

[MacRenegade]

just looking at the picture...
p.s. I hope someone has been working too on their piss poor smb implementation, we can't properly access industry standard networks anymore thanks to apple.

Blame that on the samba project changing their license to GPLv3 which doesn't allow it to be used in commercial products, and Microsoft for not releasing their proprietary protocol so people have to reverse-engineer it instead.

 

[throAU]

Blame that on the samba project changing their license to GPLv3 which doesn't allow it to be used in commercial products, and Microsoft for not releasing their proprietary protocol so people have to reverse-engineer it instead.

I keep hearing about SMB problems, but haven't experienced any?

What networks are you guys talking about? I've used it with Windows 7 workgroup, Windows 2008 R2 file/print servers and have had no issues?

 

[GIZBUG]

Surprised there is no update listed for those running DP4. Guess we have to download the full damage file =(

 

[nuckinfutz]

My point was that it is cheap. Even if you upgraded to Lion then Mountain Lion, you've only spent $50. Compared to the cheapest Windows Vista-to-Windows 7 upgrade at $100.

No what I means was I think it's going to be $20 even for Snow Leopard users. While that may seem unfair I'm ok with it because the quicker more people upgrade to ML the faster developers will support the new features.

 

[chriswilsonuk]

Scroll Lag Still Exists in GM on rMBP

Hi,

Scrolling is a lot better since DP4 and GM, however it still exists on the following: (on MacBook Pro with Retina Display 2.3GHz)

• Facebook timeline
• Facebook news feed
• Scrolling an email thread in Mail application
• App Store
• When your Launchpad screen has more than 4 rows of icons

It's annoying for a for £1800 laptop, considering taking it back and getting an Air, which I'm sure has smooth scrolling.

Chris

 

[Stevies3]

Can ML GM be installed clean? I prefer not to upgrade.

 

[DarwinOSX]

I don't know anyone who (a) buys Windows direct from Microsoft or (b) buys Windows Ultimate.

Lots of people do both. Just not technically inclined people.

Something is wrong with your install and it is not an Apple conspiracy to make you buy a new machine. We all knows Macs last and are supported much longer than anything else. The Mac Pro you are complaining about came out in 2006. There are ways to make it work with Lion. Google is your friend.
Enjoys Microsoft's latest mediocrity of an OS.

My experience is exactly the opposite. My Late 2009 27" iMac i5 with 8GB RAM which I purchased in March 2010 now works like crap with the Golden Master of Mountain Lion.
This is planned obsolescence at its best, and that machine still has around nine months of Apple Care left!
This is not the first Apple computer that I owned that became obsolete while it was still in Apple Care - my Mac Pro 1,1 was treated the same way by Apple. That "64-Bit Workstation" (as it said in BIG letters on the box) was not even compatible with OS X Lion, Apple's first "real" 64-Bit OS, when it was released because it only had a 32-Bit EFI. For the record, 64-Bit Windows Vista ran perfectly on that machine.
I think the end of the story now is that this was the last Apple product that I ever bought.

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[/COLOR]

I would like to know that too, anyone who can share their experience of the GM on a 2011 Air? Does it run smooth, or are the animations & transitions still sluggish?

Runs great on mine. Also has an SMC update. After you install Mountain Lion and SMC update will show up in software update.

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I'm really not sweating it. If Apple decides to make their systems totally untouchable by users, I'll still buy a laptop from them, just not a work orientated desktop machine.

All laptops will be like this soon.
Most people never upgrade their laptop or even desktop. Apple and the other computer manufacturers know this.
Parts repair or replacement will be handled by Apple or third parties. Despite iFixits whining they will still do repairs.
You can replace the SSD's on MacBook Airs yourself right now so I don't see why it would be any different.