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DrBokchoy

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Mar 16, 2011
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I have only this to say : ML is a great OS! As opposed to the turd that's been Lion.
ML is so pleasant to use, as it should be..but after Lion this comes as a truly great experience!
Finally Apple...finally

Agreed. My problems have been fixed with ML and I'm happy. My main issue was that VNC wasn't working for me in Lion. I would get the log in screen but I couldn't log in, all fixed in ML.
 

DarwinOSX

macrumors 68000
Nov 3, 2009
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Sometimes people forget how far far far far away apple is in terms of claiming anything that will change the world on the PC marked. Smart phones yes, all good and up there.. Personal computers. Hovering around 4% marked share compared to microsofts all time low of 95%.

All I'm saying is unless apple convinces dell and HP to sell computers with osx (and let osx be installed on 3rd party hardware) apple will never really be competitor in the marked.

Heh. Your numbers are wrong for one thing. Market share is much higher. If you include iOS devices then 2 Windows PC's are sold for every one iOS or Mac device.
You assume market share is everything. It's nothing compared to profit and Apple makes by far the highest amount of profit from computing devices, nobody else is even close. Dell, HP etc would kill for Apples numbers.
Some of us were around when clones were sold. Apple lost money. it makes no sense at all for them to do clones.
The PC and smartphone manufacturers who are making no money and are in the red would be pretty surprised to hear that Apple isn't a competitor. It is killing them. The only Android manufacturer making money is Samsung. The rest are losing money.
HP is considering pulling out of the PC market and many companies already have. Blackberry is dying, Dell is in trouble, Microsoft is posting a loss for the first time in their history.

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Way to cherry pick the Win 7 version to make your point. Also, if you buy W7 today, it will still be supported 2020. Will Apple support ML in 2015?

Nobody cares. You really want to compare Microsoft and OS X licensing?

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Nobody buys RAM from Apple unless they enjoy pissing money away. Check out OWC, or Crucial.

Companies do to make sure it is all covered under warranty. Also individuals who don't want to crack open their laptop and thats a lot of people.
I've had issues with OWC ram in the past as well as service and support.

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All these new features should have been in Lion to begin with. Oh well..

Hilarious.
 

bogatyr

macrumors 65816
Mar 13, 2012
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I don't know anyone who (a) buys Windows direct from Microsoft or (b) buys Windows Ultimate.

Businesses? Even with the volume programs, you still pay very high prices for MS products. Looking at $250ish for Win7 Enterprise - and that requires an existing Windows license as well. I think $150-$200 for the Win7 Pro license.

Also I bought a retail Ultimate Upgrade (Win7 upgrade to Win7, not for XP/Vista) strictly to allow using other languages on the system for someone at one of our France plants. For the cost, it saved paying a contractor to come out and reinstall it in the other language. It was $150.
 

DarwinOSX

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Nov 3, 2009
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I agree with you apple is in wrong direction. No more real server, no macpro only ithis ithat. I feel betrayed supporting apple on dark years.

Apple has already said a new Mac Pro is still coming. They sold very few servers, mostly to educational users. Itss not their market and they know it.
 

bogatyr

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Mar 13, 2012
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b) I bought Ultimate Editions in the past and in case you wonder, the so-called "Enterprise Edition" is basically a re-branded and volume-licensed Ultimate Edition

Actually Enterprise is missing media center type items that Ultimate has. Enterprise is just below Ultimate in terms of features.
 

DarwinOSX

macrumors 68000
Nov 3, 2009
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After watching the video I hope there will be a way to get rid of these facebook, twitter and icloud buttons everywhere.

Yes, the horror. So in your face all these buttons. Just everywhere pretty much covering my screen.

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a few years ago though they did actual development on os x, and their user base was much, much smaller. Today they are making much more money off this service pack and they've not done the appropriate development for the os. :)

You don't know the difference between a Microsoft service pack and an OS X upgrade even though it is very obvious.
 

bogatyr

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Mar 13, 2012
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Way to cherry pick the Win 7 version to make your point.
If you compare feature to feature, you have to get a higher end Windows 7 edition to match what OS X comes with.

i.e. Backup options (Pro+)
FDE encryption (Ent+)
Multiple languages (Ent+)
Active Directory support (Pro+)

EDIT: I do use all four of those options on my Macs. Not to mention I use my MAS account on several machines and can use the one purchase to legally cover all my machines. I don't recall being able to do that with Windows.
 

DarwinOSX

macrumors 68000
Nov 3, 2009
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So how do you propose they get the OS they so badly need while on assignment in the bush?

They don't need it "in the bush".

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AppleSeed members are also eligible for the GM download. There is no charge, since AppleSeed participation is by invite from Apple only.

Just to clear that up.

You can also ask to be part of the program. Not invite only.
https://appleseed.apple.com/cgi-bin...woa/5/wa/default?wosid=JVKH8HHvVTnFoMnUTGILV0
 

divinox

macrumors 68000
Jul 17, 2011
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If you compare feature to feature, you have to get a higher end Windows 7 edition to match what OS X comes with.

i.e. Backup options (Pro+)
FDE encryption (Ent+)
Multiple languages (Ent+)
Active Directory support (Pro+)

EDIT: I do use all four of those options on my Macs. Not to mention I use my MAS account on several machines and can use the one purchase to legally cover all my machines. I don't recall being able to do that with Windows.

If we go higher, OS X is no where near offering what Windows does. Your objections are just cherry-picking in disguise. You're leaving out tons of things such as longevity, hardware support, backward compatibility etc. You think these things come for free?
 

Sneakz

macrumors 65816
Jul 17, 2008
1,224
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Toronto, Ontario, Canada
ML is so much better than Lion but I do have a couple issues.

1. On my Mid 2010 MBP, switching between Intel HD Graphics and NVIDIA GT330M causes the colour temperature to change. It bluer on the NVIDIA card. No way to fix at the moment.

2. Airplay mirroring only now works if you have at least a Sandy Bridge Mac. This is due to Apple switching to Intel QuickSync for the encoding of Airplay stream which is only in Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge CPUs. So you'll need at least a Mid 2011 iMac, Early 2011 MBP, Mid 2011 MBA or Mid 2011 Mac Mini to use Airplay mirroring. Bummer.
 

cgk.emu

macrumors 6502
May 16, 2012
449
1
And in a couple of years, people will buy such machines even for work and they will think about our times with wonder - how did we manage to get inside the hardware and change things by ourselfs? :)

Quite possibly. I can see computers becoming more of an appliance (more so than even now). I know that strikes a nerve with a lot of do it yourselfers we have on the forums here, including myself. I thoroughly enjoy building machines, and upgrading the Macs I have. When that ceases to be a reality, I'll have to find another way to do it I suppose.
 

Goldfinger

macrumors 6502
Jan 7, 2006
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Belgium
The fact that you now need to click on the battery icon to show the remaining time is ridiculously annoying. I realllllly wonder what the reasoning behind that change was...
 

Krazy Bill

macrumors 68030
Dec 21, 2011
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The fact that you now need to click on the battery icon to show the remaining time is ridiculously annoying. I realllllly wonder what the reasoning behind that change was...
Just some lone OSX coder that ran amuck. Nothing more.

I come across these weird anomalies all the time like why the traffic lights absolutely and positively needed to be smaller beginning with Lion. All "head scratchers" to me.
 

jsolares

macrumors 6502a
Aug 8, 2011
844
3
Land of eternal Spring
Didn't experience a problem with the Macbook Air, i only had to upgrade VMWare Fusion, so i also upgraded the iMac, so far no problems at all, the interface certainly feels smoother.
 

NeoMayhem

macrumors 6502a
Aug 22, 2003
916
1
The fact that you now need to click on the battery icon to show the remaining time is ridiculously annoying. I realllllly wonder what the reasoning behind that change was...

I have not tested this, but you should be able to copy /System/Library/CoreServices/Menu Extras/Battery.menu from a 10.7.4 machine to get the old behavior back.
 

dmelgar

macrumors 68000
Apr 29, 2005
1,588
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Any guesses if the GM will end up as the actual GM or not? Has Apple ever done a later build?
 

mojothemonkey

macrumors regular
Oct 23, 2005
145
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You don't know the difference between a Microsoft service pack and an OS X upgrade even though it is very obvious.

It's absurd that people can't be honest and realize that ML is basically a service pack. Adding hype about the release, a name, and a price tag doesn't magically morph this into "new OS release" territory.

Great marketing, but that's all it is. A service pack with a couple applets.
 

NeoMayhem

macrumors 6502a
Aug 22, 2003
916
1
It's absurd that people can't be honest and realize that ML is basically a service pack. Adding hype about the release, a name, and a price tag doesn't magically morph this into "new OS release" territory.

Great marketing, but that's all it is. A service pack with a couple applets.

While this release does seem more servicepack-like then other releases, it is definitely faster then Lion and the iOS/AirPlay integration are going to be extremely useful for many people. While they could have made it a paid 10.7.5 update, I think it is well worth $20.
 

heisenberg123

macrumors 603
Oct 31, 2010
6,498
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Hamilton, Ontario
It's absurd that people can't be honest and realize that ML is basically a service pack. Adding hype about the release, a name, and a price tag doesn't magically morph this into "new OS release" territory.

Great marketing, but that's all it is. A service pack with a couple applets.

lol a service pack?

so you essentially thing a .x update should add things like voice dictation, social media integration(twitter/facebook), notification centre, airplay mirroring, new messages client etc.


you might not like any of the new features but those kind of additions are not found in service packs or .x updates
 

jennyp

macrumors 6502a
Oct 27, 2007
647
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documents in the cloud?

I don't see the promised "documents in the cloud" for apps like Pages, Numbers and Keynote in this dev preview ... how is that coming later?
 

mojothemonkey

macrumors regular
Oct 23, 2005
145
0
lol a service pack?

so you essentially thing a .x update should add things like voice dictation, social media integration(twitter/facebook), notification centre, airplay mirroring, new messages client etc.


you might not like any of the new features but those kind of additions are not found in service packs or .x updates

These are little crapplets that could just as easily have been offered in an app store. I'm a dual windows/mac user, as I'm sure many of you are, and I'm just not impressed with what passes for hype-worthy release on this side of the fence.

Dont get me wrong, I love the OS, but not unworthy fanfare. Windows enables little bits and compatibility fixes for newer tech in the service packs.

And voice dictation standard? Welcome to Windows Vista.

Airplay mirroring? Fancy wrapping on a decade-old function of most any computer.

New messaging client? Wow, couldnt have downloaded that 10 meg app if I had the urge. (sarcasm)

A new OS release with fanfare should have a new filesystem. Or perhaps different multithreading code. Or noticeable UI makeover. Or smaller running ram footprint and resource handling.

It's classic Apple marketing to include ANY change as a new "feature" just to drive up # of new features on the sales poster. Call if whatever you want, but enough of the foaming at the mouth for ML. Yeesh.
 
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