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Hammie

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I have all kinds of cards and tried all kinds of formats: Sandisk, Sony, Samsung, 16GB, 32GB, 64GB, 128GB, 256GB, UHS-I, UHS-II, Micro-SD, FAT32, exFAT, HFS+, and can discern no pattern of which work and which don't. Even two apparently identical cards behave differently. All work perfectly via a Dongle or in another (Intel) Mac. If I could figure for sure what type/brand/format of card works, I would know what to buy in the future.
I might have been lucky. But then again, I did not test my duplicate cards, just the uniquely different ones, i.e., brands and sizes.

No, not using HDMI. Thanks for the thought
Good to know, but not good to hear.
 

Busbob

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Nov 22, 2021
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Anybody else having issues with the SD card reader on the new MBP?

I have several SD cards that the MBP does not recognize but when using Apple's USB-C SD Card reader with the same cards the MBP recognizes them no problem.

Any ideas?
Have the 16" MBP it's only a few days old. Didn't search for this forum until I used the SD reader this morning for the first time. Similar experience as others:no previews, very slow loading. After downloading about 70 pictures (sorry, didn't time how long, less than 15 minutes, I removed the SD card, put it back in the camera, did a new format. Took 3 pictures and tried the SD reader again. Very quickly 3 blank previews. Clicked download photos and the photos downloaded. Still nowhere the speed of my old MBP 2015. My 2 cents worth: software issue. I am really upset about the $$$$ spent and not getting a speedy first class reader! Photography is my hobby and all the photo processing applications I have work like a champ now.
Apple, the ball is in your court.
 

golovan

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Nov 23, 2021
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I am here because of this as well. Just do not want to repeat all complaints. Clearly, the SD card slot is dysfunctional now. MBP 16" base model. Damn, Apple, hope this is a software issue.
 
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Busbob

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Sat down this morning with my 3 SanDisk Extreme Pro cards. 2 are 32 GB and 1 is 64 GB. Started with one of the 32 cards and had same slow results as yesterday. Slow and blank previews. Inserted the 64 GB card and zoom! Instant previews and super quick downloads. Aha! Was the first card bad? Tried the last 32 GB card, worked like a champ. Then tried to duplicate my results and Photos would not even read ALL THREE CARDS. The cards show on the desktop when inserted. Yep, I'm frustrated here.
 
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Busbob

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Insanity. Waited a while, had a cup of joe, tried again with the SD cards. 64 GB worked perfectly and quickly. All 32 GB cards slow to mount, or blank previews, or slow to import to photos. Think I'll just get a couple more 64 GB cards and call it a day.
Update: Purchased 2 more SanDisk Extreme Pro 64 GB cards. Took pictures with both cards, both cards quickly opened in Photos and both downloaded the pictures successfully. Second card had a long burst of 26 photos and took maybe 6 seconds to download. Have discarded the old 32 GB cards.
 
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Busbob

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Hate to reply to my own entry. Somewhere in all this I discovered my new MacBook Pro 16 did NOT come with the latest Monterey 12.0.1 installed. The update was completed before the new 64 GB SanDisk cards were in hand. Was that a factor? I have no clue. The 32 GB cards are history.
In conclusion: check for Monterey 12.0.1 and/or get at least 64 GB cards.
Your results may vary. :cool:
 

throAU

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Whatever the reason, the HDMI has probably been the most disappointing aspect so far on my 14", which means that future compatibility with many new display technologies that are coming up will be out of the window, and that port essentially will become useless and an eyesore within a short time.

The GPU in the MacBook can't do the resolutions that HDMI 2.1 require, and making the port HDMI 2.1 would have taken additional PCIe lanes that the processor doesn't have - or sacrificing a thunderbolt port (which you can convert to DisplayPort or HDMI, etc. anyway).

If you want to use higher res displays, use a DisplayPort adapter. The HDMI is for convenience with projectors, random displays you may encounter at work, etc.

By the time you need HDMI 2.1, the current MacBook Pro will likely be obsolete.
 

cenren

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Sep 15, 2016
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Same problem here. 64GB UHS-II SD card APFS formatted in 2021 14" MBP on macOS 12.0.1. Blackmagic reports 45 MB/s read, 16 MB/s write before erroring out with "Error reading the test file". When using the card in day-to-day operations, it seems to me as if the disk access operation waits several seconds on something then proceeds to read/write at functional but less than expected speeds.
 

HardBall

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The GPU in the MacBook can't do the resolutions that HDMI 2.1 require, and making the port HDMI 2.1 would have taken additional PCIe lanes that the processor doesn't have - or sacrificing a thunderbolt port (which you can convert to DisplayPort or HDMI, etc. anyway).

If you want to use higher res displays, use a DisplayPort adapter. The HDMI is for convenience with projectors, random displays you may encounter at work, etc.

By the time you need HDMI 2.1, the current MacBook Pro will likely be obsolete.

If they could not come up with a way to fit HDMI2.1 with current peripheral bandwidth (2.1 itself will not be the ideal solution for long term either), they should have just included an addional thunderbolt port.

HDMI is on its way out, especially 2.0 (or it should be, it's such a narrowly focused and inept standard).
 

Hammie

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If they could not come up with a way to fit HDMI2.1 with current peripheral bandwidth (2.1 itself will not be the ideal solution for long term either), they should have just included an addional thunderbolt port.

HDMI is on its way out, especially 2.0 (or it should be, it's such a narrowly focused and inept standard).
The HDMI was not included for a permanent hi-res external display connection. This is where everyone is misunderstanding its purpose. It was included for the corporate professionals who have a need to connect to a projector or other display for giving presentations. This is a welcome port and I am happy that it is included since I do connect to external devices temporarily at work of at customer sites. And those connections are still often 720 or 1080 resolution.

Besides, from my understanding the HDMI and SD-card reader share the same TB bus, so you will either get a 4th TB port or an HDMI/SD-Card reader combo.

And yes, I understand that using the HDMI port is how Apple is touting the M1 Max to support its 4th external monitor.
 

kingtj1971

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Hey guys, if you have the ability to return I would. What I did: my original MacBook 16" did not recognize my cards as reported previously in this thread.

I ended up getting another one purchased and delivered from Best Buy and it works FLAWLESS with the exact same cards, same data, AND no format was applied to the cards too.

Simply, first one was a no go. 2nd machine works great.

Yikes this COULD be hardware!
FWIW? Even if this *is* hardware, it's also possible what's going on here is Apple using a slightly different revision of a chip that runs the card reader, based on what they had in inventory with the initial MBP production run vs. whatever they got supplied in a future parts order.

That means, it still could be a software fix to get the earlier revision chip to read and write SD cards reliably (possibly about timing and polling it with an appropriate delay or what-not)?

I'm confident Apple will try everything they can to tweak the SD card drivers in OS X to work reliably with the units already shipped -- since that's a really costly thing for them if they've got to take ALL of the machines back as as warranty issue.
 

HardBall

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The HDMI was not included for a permanent hi-res external display connection. This is where everyone is misunderstanding its purpose. It was included for the corporate professionals who have a need to connect to a projector or other display for giving presentations. This is a welcome port and I am happy that it is included since I do connect to external devices temporarily at work of at customer sites. And those connections are still often 720 or 1080 resolution.

Besides, from my understanding the HDMI and SD-card reader share the same TB bus, so you will either get a 4th TB port or an HDMI/SD-Card reader combo.

And yes, I understand that using the HDMI port is how Apple is touting the M1 Max to support its 4th external monitor.

I don't actually know a single person, or any office that still uses HDMI displays. Those basically don't exist outside of bargain basement monitors any more; it's hardly common in a professional setting for organizations that are well funded. Even if you can't fit full bandwidth TB port on that, even a 4th USB-C is going to be far more useful.

This is analogous to putting a VGA port on the 2012 retina MBP. This HDMI port is basically going to be DOA after the next 18 months.
 
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kingtj1971

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I don't actually know a single person, or any office that still uses HDMI displays. Those basically don't exist outside of bargain basement monitors any more; it's hardly common in a professional setting for organizations that are well funded. Even if you can't fit full bandwidth TB port on that, even a 4th USB-C is going to be far more useful.

This is analogous to putting a VGA port on the 2012 retina MBP. This HDMI port is basically going to be DOA after the next 18 months.
Ok, but a whole LOT of businesses haven't invested in the latest and greatest tech, yet still expect people to give presentations in their meeting or conference rooms.

I can tell you for a fact, there are plenty of manufacturing businesses in the midwest like that. They outsource most of their I.T. and maybe hire 1 guy full-time as an employee. They're going to keep using the old HDMI projectors (that probably have a VGA port too) as long as they've got spare bulbs for them, or until they stop working. Some of these places likely still have a tube type color TV on a rolling cart with a VCR attached. Doesn't mean you wouldn't want to be able to walk in and hook up to their projector if you're in sales or engineering for some company doing business with them, using your new Macbook Pro.
 

yattr

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Nov 24, 2021
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I have a new M1max 16" and I am having this issue with the SD card interface (first time use). Worked ok for a bit then 100060 error code!

I have Windows11/Parallels installed so I went to that side and used the SD interface, with the same cards causing errors on the MAcOS side, without issues!

Have no idea what is causing the issue on the MacOS side. I think it started after I attempted a copy that exceeded the SD capacity.
 

yattr

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Nov 24, 2021
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I have a new M1max 16" and I am having this issue with the SD card interface (first time use). Worked ok for a bit then 100060 error code!

I have Windows11/Parallels installed so I went to that side and used the SD interface, with the same cards causing errors on the MAcOS side, without issues!

Have no idea what is causing the issue on the MacOS side. I think it started after I attempted a copy that exceeded the SD capacity.
Very strange behavior from the SD slot. Had a 16GB SD that failed. Loaded it vis USB and ok. Moved it back to the SD slot. Reads ok. Moved a single file and ok. Did a few more single files of increasing size and ok. Move a large folder and FAILS...
 

wilberforce

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Hate to reply to my own entry. Somewhere in all this I discovered my new MacBook Pro 16 did NOT come with the latest Monterey 12.0.1 installed. The update was completed before the new 64 GB SanDisk cards were in hand. Was that a factor? I have no clue. The 32 GB cards are history.
In conclusion: check for Monterey 12.0.1 and/or get at least 64 GB cards.
Your results may vary. :cool:
Yes, my results do vary. I wish the solution was that simple. I have 128GB and 256GB cards that read slowly or not at all, but work fine in a dongle. Have Monterey 12.0.1.
 

wilberforce

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I have Windows11/Parallels installed so I went to that side and used the SD interface, with the same cards causing errors on the MAcOS side, without issues!
This is a very interesting observation. Indicates it is a software issue, not a hardware issue. Or at least solvable by software.
Anyone tried copying files using Terminal?
 
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Hammie

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I don't actually know a single person, or any office that still uses HDMI displays. Those basically don't exist outside of bargain basement monitors any more; it's hardly common in a professional setting for organizations that are well funded. Even if you can't fit full bandwidth TB port on that, even a 4th USB-C is going to be far more useful.

This is analogous to putting a VGA port on the 2012 retina MBP. This HDMI port is basically going to be DOA after the next 18 months.
You obviously don't work with the US Government. ;)

Also, I work at a Fortune 100 company and all conference rooms have HDMI connections.
 
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throAU

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Like I said, HDMI is everywhere - projectors, TVs, etc.

It isn't going anywhere; it is ubiquitous in TVs, most PC laptops ship with it, and like it or not its a PC world out there and most conference rooms, etc. are set up for HDMI.

Chances are if you want to plug into a monitor, 99% out there today will have an HDMI port with an HDMI cable available. There wasn't enough bandwidth left on the SOC for another thunderbolt port, so it was split between HDMI 2.0 and SD card. Along with MagSafe these ports are usable without taking up any of the valuable type C ports.
 
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Fomalhaut

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If they could not come up with a way to fit HDMI2.1 with current peripheral bandwidth (2.1 itself will not be the ideal solution for long term either), they should have just included an addional thunderbolt port.

HDMI is on its way out, especially 2.0 (or it should be, it's such a narrowly focused and inept standard).
A billion TVs would like to disagree with you.....

...along with just about every LCD monitor currently made....
...and projectors...
...and cameras....
...and assorted AV gear....

HDMI is chosen not because it's the best; it's chosen because it is ubiquitous.

If you change your statement to "HDMI 2.0 will be replaced in 5 years on high-end computer monitors", then you might be more correct.

It's going to be around on all the devices I mentioned for many years to come. Certainly longer than the typical service life of the current MBPs. In other words, HDMI 2.0 is perfectly adqueate for the role it has on the MacBook Pros.

If you want to plug in a 5-6K display at high color bit depth and refresh rates, simply use the TB4 ports with the necessary cables or dongles.

You are missing the point of the HDMI on the MBP - it's about availability and utility, not performance.
 
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Fomalhaut

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I don't actually know a single person, or any office that still uses HDMI displays. Those basically don't exist outside of bargain basement monitors any more; it's hardly common in a professional setting for organizations that are well funded. Even if you can't fit full bandwidth TB port on that, even a 4th USB-C is going to be far more useful.

This is analogous to putting a VGA port on the 2012 retina MBP. This HDMI port is basically going to be DOA after the next 18 months.
Surely you jest?

I often (well pre-pandemic at least) would visit dozens of customer offices and often plug in to their monitors at hot desks. The *vast* majority have HDMI, often with DVI and/or full-size DisplayPort.

Are these are not mom-and-pop businesses, I'm talking major banks, finanical institutions, education, government, telcos etc.

I have *never* seen a customer monitor with a USB-C display port.

I personally have 4 monitors, all with HDMI, and use this or DisplayPort interchangably.

I will use HDMI until I need to replace the monitors, which is hopefully a few years off.

And what about the billions of TVs and other devices - people connect their computer to these you know.

Your view does not reflect the wider reality of the world.
 
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wilberforce

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This is a very interesting observation. Indicates it is a software issue, not a hardware issue. Or at least solvable by software.
Anyone tried copying files using Terminal?
To answer my own question: it does not work any better using Terminal (cp command). Copying a large file from a 256GB SD card in the SD slot is still extremely slow (~5 MB/s).
Copying the same file (using Terminal) from the same SD card via a dongle is fast (~100 MB/s).
So using Terminal instead of Finder does not help.
 
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paalb

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To answer my own question: it does not work any better using Terminal (cp command). Copying a large file from a 256GB SD card in the SD slot is still extremely slow (~5 MB/s).
Copying the same file (using Terminal) from the same SD card via a dongle is fast (~100 MB/s).
So using Terminal instead of Finder does not help.
I have tried with rsync in the terminal. It is a good tool to look at problems like this because it can show you all kinds of statistic and progress. Same negativ result with my 64gb card. About 150 pictures from my Olympus camera. It takes some time then it copies 4 raw files, then pause for some seconds, then 4 more and then it takes the rest in an even stream. All gets copied, but very slow.
 
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