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No, on PC you can find it by clicking "billing", then "billing settings" and then clicking "cancel...". If you just click on "billing", you already see your plan, your payment and a lot of white space. Then you have to find "billing settings". So it is in the 3rd plane or 2nd submenu, while there is a ton of empty space in submenu 1.
There is even a video on reddit how they solve their "problem" on mobile phones:
https://www.reddit.com/r/*******des...y_gave_up_trying_to_figure_out_how_to_cancel/
Right, this is something I expect from "Tuneup Utillities 2004" but not from a company I have to trust all my personal data with.
Regarding Netflix: This is my point. I don't trust Netflix with my social security number, my bank accounts, my logins and passwords. They don't even have my real Email address and I pay them with Paypal. I didn't mind that Agilebits has no option to cancel in their apps. Even Apple links you to a webpage for subscriptions. But they point you into the direction.
And sorry, I didn't mean to offend you. I didn't call you a fanboy, I called your reasoning "fanboy-ish". Look, I'm in the cold water right now. I'm looking for an alternative since days. I'm not really happy with any of the solutions I've found. But for me personally they have become cash hungry sharks and I don't trust them anymore.
It was the same with Fantastical (paying for a iCal frontend with a monthly subscription?!) and Ulysses (paying a subscription for a simple markdown editor).
I'm happy that you decided that 1Password is what's best for you and your family. If I were depended on family sharing and all I maybe would think like you.
I have zero relationship with any password management company other than as a customer. And in the case of 1Password a disgruntled ex-customer.
I feel for you...the whole situation with 1Password is very aggravating. Moreover, the swamp that is password managers is hard to navigate, and its easy get into argument with people without even trying. Not fun at all.
Strongbox if you only use mac/iphone/ipad. Safeincloud if you need pc support too. See my post here:
1Password migrants thread
Bit of an update... I am using Strongbox for nearly 2 months now as my primary (only) password manager....really worth trying if your on macOS / iOS After more than a decade with 1password I got sick of the snarky attitude and I could see where they were heading - so I moved....the last 2...
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and here about recent Strongbox enhancements.
1Password migrants thread
I previously commented in this thread about the challenges of getting your data exported out of 1Password and imported into your new password manager. Turns out Strongbox has just released a specially crafted importer for IPassword. Available on Strongbox version 1.16.2 on MacOS As they say...
forums.macrumors.com
And here for an old post of mine in this thread talking about other password managers on my shortlist. This before I moved to Strongbox: Early post
I dont use any of the 'family' features so I havent assessed that. If you want to get away from 1P and are happy with an online service try Dashlane (used by lots of crews including Cult of Mac ) or LastPass (Which has had its problems but always supported its users)
Hope this helps you.
Thats the spirit! Its not like I don't have $3/m, its the business practice. I will not bend for corporates who think they are too powerful to dictate on me what to do. 1Password was a local vault originally, now its a bad system, meanwhile its the very system that made them popular in the first place.
I think the difficulty is on the developer side to import the data in their password manager, not you the customer. If you are going to have cloud storage that means subscription so you might as well get 1password subscription, but then there are many other options for online subscriptions too.
TBF its very easy to export the data. File->Export-> Enter Password-> there is a drop down menu below that lets you export in 1pif, csv, or txt. I appreciate this since some other services do not have a way to export your data.
Why don't you try EnPass? Its near 1password clone(which is a good thing for me)
I have zero relationship with any password management company other than as a customer. And in the case of 1Password a disgruntled ex-customer.
I feel for you...the whole situation with 1Password is very aggravating. Moreover, the swamp that is password managers is hard to navigate, and its easy get into argument with people without even trying. Not fun at all.
Strongbox if you only use mac/iphone/ipad. Safeincloud if you need pc support too. See my post here:
1Password migrants thread
Bit of an update... I am using Strongbox for nearly 2 months now as my primary (only) password manager....really worth trying if your on macOS / iOS After more than a decade with 1password I got sick of the snarky attitude and I could see where they were heading - so I moved....the last 2...
and here about recent Strongbox enhancements.
1Password migrants thread
I previously commented in this thread about the challenges of getting your data exported out of 1Password and imported into your new password manager. Turns out Strongbox has just released a specially crafted importer for IPassword. Available on Strongbox version 1.16.2 on MacOS As they say...
And here for an old post of mine in this thread talking about other password managers on my shortlist. This before I moved to Strongbox: Early post
I dont use any of the 'family' features so I havent assessed that. If you want to get away from 1P and are happy with an online service try Dashlane (used by lots of crews including Cult of Mac ) or LastPass (Which has had its problems but always supported its users)
Hope this helps you.
If you are looking for cloud+subscription service the options are many like Roboform, dashlane, Keeper, LastPass, Bitwarden, Password boss, Avira.... but i have not tested any of those
have you decided to go with Enpass or codebook? whichever it is, why you took that choice?
Do you know, is there a similar Windows client that uses Keepass and doesn't look like it's from 1994?
I'm about to try that at the moment. I mean, it's free and better integrated than anything else. So no additional system resources used, it's better for the battery and so on. And logging in with fingerprint and no clicking and so on... it works awesome. Sure, there are not locked notes. But you can password lock notes in Apple notes, or in Bear, too.
So did I at one point. But its still there and still working. When I thought I would have to change/switch, I went to Enpass… but then they went subscription, so I am back with Wallet. I tried Keepass at one stage, when I wanted to move to Linux, and bitwarden looks decent. I havent really looked at Strongbox, but if its using Keepass databases, thats a good thing. Still and all, until I am forced to switch, I’ll stick with Wallet. As I said, its simple, syncs between Apple devices (sorry to cross platform users) and continues to work.
Bugger, I don’t have any hardware that will run Monterey. Best I can get is HS on my Macbook (2010). I wish keychain was more reliable. I find just often enough to be annoying, that it forgets to make a record of the password it suggests, and so later on if you need it, tough. You then have to go through the forgot password thing. If its available.
Sometimes I would like to think that Apple's Keychain functionality will improve in future releases such that it becomes a complete replacement for password managment software. But clearly there are downsides in that. A small specialist devoted company has its advantages.
Keychain aint there yet.
And I am not sure that Apple see such capability part of their core business.
Guess time will tell.
Keychain aint there yet.
And I am not sure that Apple see such capability part of their core business.
Guess time will tell.
I doubt it will replace password managers. Did Apple Maps replace Google Maps? No. Did the Apple Mail app replace all the other email apps? No. I can go on with others.
i found dealing with keychain horrid especially with managing the passwords
I lost my passwords twice because of iCloud Keychain, and why I won’t use it anymore.
It is very reliable at the moment. It never forgot one of the passwords and even the ones it suggested are securely saved. 1Password was way more unreliable in version 7 often forgetting to save generated new passwords or saving new passwords in a new entry without username.
I like keychain atm. The only downside I have found since 6 days are pages with multiple entries, like my social security site where I have to enter 1 username and 2 passwords. It can't do stuff like this at the moment.
I think it will never replace full featured software like 1Password, like secure notes or software keys and all.
But it is already replacing 1Password for my needs very reliable and without any additional impact on system resources.
I like the idea to not use additional battery life just for a password manager. But it depends on your needs.
It depends on your needs, doesn't it? I like Apple Maps more than Google Maps, it makes less mistakes. I only use Apple Mail, even with 2 private and 3 business Microsoft Exchange Accounts. It isn't flawless but I like it way more than Outlook or anything else.
As a elementary teacher Pages is way more practical (snapping windows) than Word.
And for my needs Numbers is way easier to use than Excel.
The thing I like about Apple software: it's easy and it looks good. It fits my needs.
yes, if you often delete passwords or like to see them in different folders or add tags to them, Keychain is horrible. But the inserting part works like a charm, better than 1Password and anything else. But it's way too limited for many people I guess.
I don’t know how it is now, but Keychain wasn’t organized at all when I used it. If I wanted to scroll though Keychain itself to look for a certain password, it was horrible. Back then, you couldn’t name the login info like you can in password managers.
I always found 1Password way more reliable, it didn’t erase my passwords twice like iCloud Keychain did. IMO I also find 1Password much more easier to use than Keychain. Keychain is basic, and Apple won’t do much with it, because they can’t make money off it if. They will have it to meet basic needs of Apple users (I think they made something for Windows, but what about Android and Linux users?), and that’s about it. It’s like comparing an actual Keychain with keys on it to a file cabinet that’s all organized and neat looking.
It won’t ever replaced any password manager. It’s just basic saving of passwords like any browser will do. Browsers have been saving passwords for ages. Keychain is probably 1 step up from that. Will Keychain work with other browsers yet on iOS? Or on macOS for that matter?
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@johnkree you’re also correct, it won’t replace all password managers. It won’t be a complete replacemen, and probably never will. It will be great for people with basic password needs. I think that the selling point of a password manager, it does more than just save passwords.
I like I can have custom login info so I can add stuff that I have saved for my routers and network. That alone I doubt iCloud Keychain will ever have.
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I was on 1Password for many years on the buy once use forever model until they moved over to subs. The price was a little rich for me so I went then with Enpass for a few years. They did the same and a few other things I was reading about it as well as some bugs made me look about again.
I am now on Bitwarden and I love it. The apps work very well across all my platforms, I pay for the premium version but it is only $10/year which seems very reasonable to me and it allows me to to store OTP in there as well.
(I tried self-host for about a week...was too nervous if it went wrong and more importantly if I got hit by a bus then my wife would have no idea on how to sort out my nas/router/docker etc)
I am now on Bitwarden and I love it. The apps work very well across all my platforms, I pay for the premium version but it is only $10/year which seems very reasonable to me and it allows me to to store OTP in there as well.
(I tried self-host for about a week...was too nervous if it went wrong and more importantly if I got hit by a bus then my wife would have no idea on how to sort out my nas/router/docker etc)
It still isn't organized. The passwords are in a small window at the left side, and you can scroll through them and you can search in a searchbar. Editing is easy, you get a popup when you click on "edit". But yea, there aren't folders or tags. Your comparison with a chain full of keys and a file cabinet is very fitting.
Apple isn't making money out of most or any software they make. And it is really good, most of it. People need better password solutions and Apple knows that. And they are good at copying stuff. The more whole and complete their package is and the less people need to think about stuff the more people will buy their hardware. This has always been one of Apples strengths. They see something that works great and take the basics of it into their ecosystem. This is the reason why 1Password is so eager to add new features to their package. Because they know that Apple isn't sleeping. And it's not very reasonable to spend 40$ a year if you can get something similar, that fits your needs for free.
I think this isn't comparable at all. In earlier years you could just read out Browser saved passwords because it was more of a "if you save it, your PC is at home and people are allowed to see it anyways". Then they password protected it but it was easily made readable by any trojan or keylogger. And then password managers got to be a thing and browsers started to encrypt them. But you still can't compare it. Keychain is good encrypted and works flawless with fingerprint and FaceID. And it has some Watchtower functionality now.
Keychain isn't working on any other browsers on Apple devices yet. I don't think they will. On Silicon Macs an on iOS other browsers than Safari have a way higher impact on the battery or the system performance. I understand people using other browsers on Mac, I do it occasionally but not on iOS. This makes the whole Apple ecosystem obsolete.
Yes. It's for the average Joe who wants to use stuff and not think about it. It's for people who have enough of constantly sitting in front of the screen and managing stuff instead of just using the device. Apple tends to serve software that is for the basics. If you want more advanced apps you have to look somewhere else.
Yea Bitwarden is great. I'm torn at the moment between Bitwarden, Keychain and Strongbox. Keychain is for sure the most simple solution as discussed above, Bitwarden is in the middle, giving you a lot for small money while lacking some stuff and Strongbox is overkill, giving you so many options that you could spend a year to define everything to your liking.
1Password and other password managers have been years ahead Keychain for a while. I also don’t think any password manager company is worried at all about Keychain. Most password managers are cross platform (Android and Linux included), and meant for a different kind of user.
I think I started with 1Password 4? Even then it had a lot more then what iCloud Keychain has now. You‘re right, Apple doesn’t make money from their software, because its mostly for Apple Users anyways. You have Apple Music on Android, and that’s a pay app (that might be considered a service also).
The 1Password for Families has features that they had for years, which are ones that drew me to using it. Recovery of the accounts was a big selling point along with sharing vaults. Are you able to recover Keychain if you forgot the password to your Apple ID? I know I know if you forgot that, you have other issues besides just passwords. When I last used Keychain, I lost all my passwords, twice. I think the one time was I put in my password wrong and it just whipped all my passwords.
I agree that 1Password for a single person isn’t cheap, but the family plan I think is great. I think they should drop the price by at least $1 for the single account, because there are other password managers out there that do the same as the 1Password single account for less money.
Firefox has Lockwise and also has some Watchtower functionality, I bet Chrome does also. But like Keychain, their services won’t work with other browsers. I mainly use Firefox, because like password manager, it’s cross platform. I’ll only use Safari when I can use Apple Pay on iOS or macOS. I tried Safari when I upgraded to iOS 15, I couldn’t get use to it, and I wanted too for iOS, but a whole other topic.
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First of all, this entire thread exists because we're all not happy with 1Password. Codebook needs be better not "the same".
But it's not "the same" - 1Password has many sync options Codebook is missing, including multiple choices that I trust a thousand times more than any of the options supported by Codebook.
I said you "basically" have to run your own server - not the same thing as actually running a server. Whatever software runs wifi sync has to be running somewhere and the vault has to be unlocked - otherwise sync will not happen. That's not an option for me, my personal laptop is usually asleep and I won't leave my offlice desktop vault unlocked when I'm not actively using it - because my employer owns that Mac and a colleague could easily access my personal passwords if it was unlocked.
Sync is critical for a password manager, if it doesn't happen immediately after generating a new password you are likely to lose passwords and possibly also lose access to whatever account it's attached to. So, in my mind, wifi sync isn't an option. It's great to have that choice if you are able to keep it running and unlocked, but it's not for me.
Codebook supports Dropbox, which would be an option, but I don't particularly like Dropbox as a product. It still doesn't run natively on M1 Macs for example, which suggests they don't consider the Mac a priority, and it hooks into low level filesystem calls which has a substantial impact on performance and battery life even if you're not using dropbox.
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Why would you need your vault/database to be unlocked if you're not at the computer? If you're not at the computer, there is no need for the vault/ database to sync.