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First of all, this entire thread exists because we're all not happy with 1Password. Codebook needs be better not "the same".

But it's not "the same" - 1Password has many sync options Codebook is missing, including multiple choices that I trust a thousand times more than any of the options supported by Codebook.

If Codebook can use my Mac and sync my iPhone and iPad with it, then that is exactly what 1Password does. There is no "needs to be better", because functionality isn't the problem; the ability to hold and control your own vaults is.

I said you "basically" have to run your own server - not the same thing as actually running a server. Whatever software runs wifi sync has to be running somewhere and the vault has to be unlocked - otherwise sync will not happen.

By that nature, WiFi sync is "running your own server". The only difference is that the WiFi server is built in to both Codebook and 1Password, yet you have to run a VM or another barebones machine, and run Docker inside of that to get Bitwarden to work. That actually is NOT the same. 1Password is considering to do the same thing, which also is not the same.


That's not an option for me, my personal laptop is usually asleep and I won't leave my offlice desktop vault unlocked when I'm not actively using it - because my employer owns that Mac and a colleague could easily access my personal passwords if it was unlocked.

The bold is a big issue. If you are putting your personal passwords on your office desktop or in that vault, database, you are already compromising a huge wall of separation. That wall between personal and professional should be maintained; locked, unlocked, or otherwise. In fact, this is a perfect reason why you should have two separate vaults, and not sync those between any devices not suited for that environment. If your job gave you a smartphone, use that to sync your office desktop vault with. Use your personal devices only for personal use. Any crossing of those could allow your employer to take control of those devices, as their data resides on it.

Sync is critical for a password manager, if it doesn't happen immediately after generating a new password you are likely to lose passwords and possibly also lose access to whatever account it's attached to. So, in my mind, wifi sync isn't an option. It's great to have that choice if you are able to keep it running and unlocked, but it's not for me.

You're looking for immediate sync between multiple devices, which may not ever be an option because you're looking for an ALWAYS ON solution. If you want that, doing something online or running your own server that is exposed to the internet is your only solution. But as I have mentioned numerous times before in this thread, that carries its own security concerns, and that solution is not the purpose of WiFi sync.

Codebook supports Dropbox, which would be an option, but I don't particularly like Dropbox as a product. It still doesn't run natively on M1 Macs for example, which suggests they don't consider the Mac a priority, and it hooks into low level filesystem calls which has a substantial impact on performance and battery life even if you're not using dropbox.

I don't use Dropbox, and wouldn't even consider it an option for my passwords, because of the issues I also brought up numerous times in this thread concerning the 4th Amendment. But as mentioned above, Dropbox would actually be an option that you would need, or any other online-type solution, as that is what you are looking for.

BL.
 
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I don't use Dropbox, and wouldn't even consider it an option for my passwords, because of the issues I also brought up numerous times in this thread concerning the 4th Amendment. But as mentioned above, Dropbox would actually be an option that you would need, or any other online-type solution, as that is what you are looking for.

BL.

I wouldn't like to host my passwords online either but have you ever thought what if you lose your own backups? Can 1password sync back from an iphone/ipad back to a desktop app or it only goes desktop->mobile device?

can I open a new 1password app and sync the vault from my iphone? that would feel much more comforting since an iPhone hardly loses data or dies.
 
I wouldn't like to host my passwords online either but have you ever thought what if you lose your own backups?

Hence why I say that you are never safe in the validity of your backups than your latest RESTORE. Your backups don't mean a single thing if they can not be restored. So not only should one be taking multiple backups to different media, but also testing those backups by restoring. Having one backup on one particular piece of media does not make you safe, as you can not predict when that media will go bad. Having that Single backup is a single point of failure, meaning that your entire backup strategy is shot should that media fail.

That's why I back up my iPhone and my iPad (which contain my 1Password vaults) to my Mac, then subsequently back up my Mac to my Synology NAS as well as an external SSD (which I store that SSD offsite), and then also back up my NAS to an external HDD, which also goes offsite. That way if my house or my Mac gets cratered, I have the ability to restore.

Can 1password sync back from an iphone/ipad back to a desktop app or it only goes desktop->mobile device?

Yes, it can. If you added passwords on your iPad or iPhone, you can sync them back to your desktop app over WiFi the same way as if you were going from the desktop app to your phone.

can I open a new 1password app and sync the vault from my iphone? that would feel much more comforting since an iPhone hardly loses data or dies.

Yes you can. That is the beauty of WiFi sync. And from my understanding, Codebook and EnPass also have that ability.

BL.
 
Standalone licenses are no longer available at 1Password

the 1password forum:

"membership is the future" and
"asked and answered" and
"If that is not what you want then you will need to find a different product"

Granted, 1password 7 will work until an OS update compatibility... or a developer update kills it.... On April 1st, 2020 they put all their existing 1Password apps into maintenance mode... see second paragraph under 'doing better' here.

And then this : Developers 1Password update for iOS 15 doesn't work for standalone vaults, only subscriptions....see here
 
Standalone licenses are no longer available at 1Password

the 1password forum:

"membership is the future" and
"asked and answered" and
"If that is not what you want then you will need to find a different product"

Granted, 1password 7 will work until an OS update compatibility... or a developer update kills it.... On April 1st, 2020 they put all their existing 1Password apps into maintenance mode... see second paragraph under 'doing better' here.

And then this : Developers 1Password update for iOS 15 doesn't work for standalone vaults, only subscriptions....see here

1Password 7 will work in perpetuity with a standalone license. Not only that, but they have both Intel and Silicon versions of it out. If you have that and a standalone license, you're set for as long as you want to have it. That (the standalone license) is the reason why I still have 1Password 6 working on my Mac. The only time when 1Password 6 and the Intel version of 1Password 7 will break is when Apple kills off Rosetta 2 with any new version of MacOS that comes out. As I'm still using Sierra on my current Mac, as long as Sierra runs and that license is applied, I can continue to use 1Password 6 until this Mac dies. More than that, as long as the hardware is compatible, I can install Sierra on any given hardware (comparable Mac, Hackintosh, VM, etc.), restore my Mac from Time Machine, and use that for however long that I see fit, and no developer at 1Password can do anything about it.

1Password 7 or any older version being put into any type of maintenance mode is irrelevant, as they still have 1Password 7 listed as current on their website, as well as every App store that they sell it at. 1Password 8 isn't available yet, so a user's option (new user, current user, or otherwise) is either 1Password 7 or older (they still list 1Password 6 and 1Password 4 available on their website).


As for the iOS clients, that is a different issue altogether. If possible, I would not update past version 7.7.8. That version should be the last one that does not nag/bug^W^W^Wprompt you about standalone vaults no longer being supported. That version should also work with 1Password 7 for MacOS and older.

BL.
 
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Standalone licenses are no longer available at 1Password

the 1password forum:

"membership is the future" and
"asked and answered" and
"If that is not what you want then you will need to find a different product"

Granted, 1password 7 will work until an OS update compatibility... or a developer update kills it.... On April 1st, 2020 they put all their existing 1Password apps into maintenance mode... see second paragraph under 'doing better' here.

And then this : Developers 1Password update for iOS 15 doesn't work for standalone vaults, only subscriptions....see here

i have ios 15 with latest 1password , it still syncs.
 
Standalone licenses are no longer available at 1Password

the 1password forum:

"membership is the future" and
"asked and answered" and
"If that is not what you want then you will need to find a different product"

Granted, 1password 7 will work until an OS update compatibility... or a developer update kills it.... On April 1st, 2020 they put all their existing 1Password apps into maintenance mode... see second paragraph under 'doing better' here.

And then this : Developers 1Password update for iOS 15 doesn't work for standalone vaults, only subscriptions....see here

That image they show is from the safari extension, which is new with ios15 and doesn’t work without an account. Otherwise app works as it did before, with my icloud vault anyway.
 
That image they show is from the safari extension, which is new with ios15 and doesn’t work without an account. Otherwise app works as it did before, with my icloud vault anyway.

That's our problem.. this works with most online transfers, but standalone vaults are what everyone's main complaint is about. Oh, and starting with 1Password 8, you may not even be able to use iCloud to store your vault as well.

BL.
 
Over WiFi to your Mac? and the version of iPassword on your Mac is version 7 or lower?

I have the latest 1PW 7.x on my Mac (perpetual license) and my iPhone/iPad with only a local vault. Syncing via Wifi works as it always did.

And this is the only thing I will ever want from my Password Manager. I have no no need for password sharing (I haven't even understood the use case for this) and the other fancy features, they introduced in the last years. I bought 1PW7 only to support the development, apparently this was a mistake.
 
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Over WiFi to your Mac? and the version of iPassword on your Mac is version 7 or lower?

BL.

yes over Wifi, latest 1Password 7 and iOS 15, but my macos is mojave not sure if its different on more modern OS

And this is the only thing I will ever want from my Password Manager. I have no no need for password sharing (I haven't even understood the use case for this) and the other fancy features, they introduced in the last years.

My only guess its to share stuff like Netflix Family account password, or router password especially when changed/updated or in a business situation like someone's login to the work computer or a document secured by a password.


I bought 1PW7 only to support the development, apparently this was a mistake.

I agree they always say support the developer don't use cracked software, when we did the developer shut the door in our faces and won't even allow us to pay them.

Its not an issue for me I am on the EnPass bandwagon hoping natural capitilasim competition kills agilebits
 
yes over Wifi, latest 1Password 7 and iOS 15, but my macos is mojave not sure if its different on more modern OS

Good to know. Since I'm on Sierra and AgileBits shut down the standalone license provisioning servers, I've been leery on updating 1Password on my iPhone to anything newer than 7.7.8, as I'd have no way to revert it. I may give it a shot now...

Actually, on second thought, I'll leave it as is and work on which app I'm going to migrate to.. it's no use breaking something that is already working.

BL.
 
I have bought 1password when i switched to mac. 3 months later they told me that i have to pay monthly to keep it functional. So i say to them fak off, switched to keychain and never looked back
 
Sadly, it is the future of software. It won’t ever go back.

nah. Not if we keep fighting. I mean look on the FOSS side. They have no money but they fought enough that today they have a fully working OS like Linux against Windows/MacOS. They also have alternatives for Photoshop, Office, and others. I say we have a better shot with paying for licenses.

That being said not all subscription is bad. I mean for Adobe CC you get like 30 complex and extremely polished applications for like just $50/m which is a steal! In comparsion, in 1999 I won't be surprised if I had to pay like $10,000 to purchases all these apps license and start my own "freelancing" work. Even worse you have to repurchase all of it once they new upgraded ones are released that work on the newer OS released by Apple/Microsoft.

But $5/M for a text editor and $5/m email client...yea...no thanks .
 
nah. Not if we keep fighting.
You're mistaken, it is the future, fight all you want, many if not most commercial applications has or will embrace the subscription model.

. I mean look on the FOSS side. They have no money but they fought enough that today they have a fully working OS like Linux against Windows/MacOS
That's probably not the example you want to use for FOSS successes, because I don't believe you can call 1.87% a success :oops: Source I understand that Linux on the server market is a resounding success but we're we're talking about desktop and in that sector Linux is all but a niche OS. Don't get me wrong, I like Linux and have used it personally and in my work

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Yes, there will be always be open source alternatives and that's not a bad thing, but for non-FOSS, commercial applications which will always have larger market share then open source - subscriptions is a reality.
 
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Notability Users Frustrated By Switch to Subscription Model Claim Violation of App Store Guidelines

?? This is why I refuse to subscribe for 1password. Out of philosophy, I will not see the future of software being subscription. The version upgrade model works, it always worked. The very least you can make 2 options : 1 subscription and 1 license.
I don't disagree with you philosophically and it was a dick move by Notability, to which they've walked back on removal of existing features for those who already bought the product. They walked back not because of the goodness of their heart but the huge outcry and more likely apple would have pulled their app since it was in violation of apple's guidelines.

Nonetheless even if I disagree with the subscription model, its a move that makes sense for a developer/publisher to streamline their income and I don't see it going away.
 
One problem with Codebook, and that is probably not going to occur if people are using it fresh, is regarding Time-based One-Time Passwords (TOTPs). I imported 1Password files and Enpass files, and realised that Codebook simply does not recognise TOTPs properly. I have to change the field from one-time password to TOTP manually for the entry and then it recognises it.

Sure, it would be a one-time activity for over 300 entries, but this is a bummer. Autofill is great, neatly integrated with Safari but nothing for Firefox and Chrome. For them, there is the option to use keyboard shortcuts and invoke Secret Agent or open the app and copy-paste.. if I recall correctly. I stopped paying attention to this the moment I realised that I will have to sit and correct my 300+ entries for TOTP recognition. Enpass imported each one of them flawlessly.
I took a break from this thread, still using 1Password v7, but I‘m back from a trip and wanted to ask about this issue before make a move for Codebook. Time Based One Time Password, if I adopt Codebook, I will be importing about 400 passwords from 1PW. Is each password entry going to require attention before it works as expected in Codebook?

I’ve noticed that with 1PW if I am on a site‘s page that 1PW does not recognize as a registered sign-in page, it allows me to open the 1PW app, find the sign in, and tell 1PW to auto fill this page, without it insisting that it load the page it thinks is needed to sign in.
 
If Codebook can use my Mac and sync my iPhone and iPad with it, then that is exactly what 1Password does. There is no "needs to be better", because functionality isn't the problem; the ability to hold and control your own vaults is.



By that nature, WiFi sync is "running your own server". The only difference is that the WiFi server is built in to both Codebook and 1Password, yet you have to run a VM or another barebones machine, and run Docker inside of that to get Bitwarden to work. That actually is NOT the same. 1Password is considering to do the same thing, which also is not the same.




The bold is a big issue. If you are putting your personal passwords on your office desktop or in that vault, database, you are already compromising a huge wall of separation. That wall between personal and professional should be maintained; locked, unlocked, or otherwise. In fact, this is a perfect reason why you should have two separate vaults, and not sync those between any devices not suited for that environment. If your job gave you a smartphone, use that to sync your office desktop vault with. Use your personal devices only for personal use. Any crossing of those could allow your employer to take control of those devices, as their data resides on it.



You're looking for immediate sync between multiple devices, which may not ever be an option because you're looking for an ALWAYS ON solution. If you want that, doing something online or running your own server that is exposed to the internet is your only solution. But as I have mentioned numerous times before in this thread, that carries its own security concerns, and that solution is not the purpose of WiFi sync.



I don't use Dropbox, and wouldn't even consider it an option for my passwords, because of the issues I also brought up numerous times in this thread concerning the 4th Amendment. But as mentioned above, Dropbox would actually be an option that you would need, or any other online-type solution, as that is what you are looking for.

BL.
What service would you use as a Dropbox substitute? Note, I’ve been using Dropbox since I started with 1PW. The vault is encrypted, so maybe I need to locate one of your Dropbox objection posts, to understand the issue. :)
 
I took a break from this thread, still using 1Password v7, but I‘m back from a trip and wanted to ask about this issue before make a move for Codebook. Time Based One Time Password, if I adopt Codebook, I will be importing about 400 passwords from 1PW. Is each password entry going to require attention before it works as expected in Codebook?

I’ve noticed that with 1PW if I am on a site‘s page that 1PW does not recognize as a registered sign-in page, it allows me to open the 1PW app, find the sign in, and tell 1PW to auto fill this page, without it insisting that it load the page it thinks is needed to sign in.
Codebook look pretty nice. I might have to add this to my list to look more if I ever ditch 1Password.
 
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1Password 7 will work in perpetuity with a standalone license. Not only that, but they have both Intel and Silicon versions of it out. If you have that and a standalone license, you're set for as long as you want to have it. That (the standalone license) is the reason why I still have 1Password 6 working on my Mac. The only time when 1Password 6 and the Intel version of 1Password 7 will break is when Apple kills off Rosetta 2 with any new version of MacOS that comes out. As I'm still using Sierra on my current Mac, as long as Sierra runs and that license is applied, I can continue to use 1Password 6 until this Mac dies. More than that, as long as the hardware is compatible, I can install Sierra on any given hardware (comparable Mac, Hackintosh, VM, etc.), restore my Mac from Time Machine, and use that for however long that I see fit, and no developer at 1Password can do anything about it.

1Password 7 or any older version being put into any type of maintenance mode is irrelevant, as they still have 1Password 7 listed as current on their website, as well as every App store that they sell it at. 1Password 8 isn't available yet, so a user's option (new user, current user, or otherwise) is either 1Password 7 or older (they still list 1Password 6 and 1Password 4 available on their website).


As for the iOS clients, that is a different issue altogether. If possible, I would not update past version 7.7.8. That version should be the last one that does not nag/bug^W^W^Wprompt you about standalone vaults no longer being supported. That version should also work with 1Password 7 for MacOS and older.

BL.

There's an Ad on the latest 1PW 7 that you can't dismiss. Here's a screenshot from Reddit

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