2006/2007 Mac Pro (1,1/2,1) and OS X El Capitan

[Roland L]

Is it conceivable that a firmware update, if included in this recent security update, has changed the machine's state permanently?

A microcode update would be applied at boot each time, right? And could be spotted by the 'DMESG' command (say) in Linux?

 

[flyinmac]

Is it conceivable that a firmware update, if included in this recent security update, has changed the machine's state permanently?

A microcode update would be applied at boot each time, right? And could be spotted by the 'DMESG' command (say) in Linux?

That’s a reasonable possibility from what I’ve read so far.

It seems our hackintosh friends are having similar problems with this update. Some experimentation appears to indicate that the update does in fact try to identify the computer and make changes accordingly.

https://www.tonymacx86.com/threads/...a-10-12-6-and-os-x-el-capitan-10-11-6.243850/

 

[RalphATHome]

Anybody know the system files and folders that need to be replaced to make the bootlooping drive boot again?

 

[F1Mac]

Is it conceivable that a firmware update, if included in this recent security update, has changed the machine's state permanently?

A microcode update would be applied at boot each time, right? And could be spotted by the 'DMESG' command (say) in Linux?

Firmware updates are not applied like that. You’d be asked first to update your firmware the OS wouldn’t do it without the user’s consent.

 

[SuperMatt]

Anybody know the system files and folders that need to be replaced to make the bootlooping drive boot again?

I tried replacing everything that had been changed with no luck. I tried and tried but could not "fix" a system that had undergone the 2018-001 Security Update.

 

[avinator]

Tagged

 

[dickmnixon]

It turns out the my 5770 was causing the issue where I could only see the wallpaper. When I change from DVI to VGA over to DVI to HMDI I can now see my desktop Lion to do restores, which I am doing now.

EDIT: Decided to do a clean install from the Pikefied USB. Will update it's progress. I now see light at the end of the tunnel and I am fairly certain it's not a train.

EDIT 2: After booting from Pikefied USB I did an install to my original El Cap SSD and when I rebooted everything was back. I did not need to migrate anything, it kept my user account and it fixed my recovery partition.
Thanks Morpheo & Iron Bridge for your help

 

[pva_glue]

It turns out the my 5770 was causing the issue where I could only see the wallpaper. ....~~~~I now see light at the end of the tunnel and I am fairly certain it's not a train.

Good to hear that, I giggled on the part "I am fairly certain it's not a train" Is that from line from a movie?

btw - with your HD5770; Is it PC version? or do you know how to flash it so that can be seen booting screen in MAC pro?

thanks.

 

[dickmnixon]

SNIP

Thanks for your help, I am back up and running now with the update hidden.
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Good to hear that, I giggled on the part "I am fairly certain it's not a train" Is that from line from a movie?

btw - with your HD5770; Is it PC version? or do you know how to flash it so that can be seen booting screen in MAC pro?

thanks.

I am not sure where I heard it but have been using it for years.

As for the 5770, it is a PC version (I assumed was flashed as it works) that I got years ago and if I have the DVI to VGA connected I can see the boot screen but not DVI to HDMI. But for me I have them both plugged into the same 27" TV and just switch inputs at boot when needed.

 

[Mystere65]

I managed to restart thanks to the image ... the problem is Safari, back to version 9.1 and I can not update because it is included in the update 2018

 

[Ant3000]

Doesn't Safari 11.0.3 show as a separate update along with iTunes 12.7.3 (and the fatal security update) if you click on "More" in the App Store Updates window? I am sure an earlier post suggested these updated OK but haven't risked it yet myself.

 

[joeberk]

Doesn't Safari 11.0.3 show as a separate update along with iTunes 12.7.3 (and the fatal security update) if you click on "More" in the App Store Updates window? I am sure an earlier post suggested these updated OK but haven't risked it yet myself.

I have done the iTunes and Safari updates with no issues.

 

[AlecTronic]

I wonder if this is a problem on all systems with El Cap then? Perhaps an error in the security update on Apple’s part?

I updated an old iMac running ElCap and it worked as it should. So seams to destroy just the hacked MacPros 1.1/2.1

 

[Iron Bridge]

Well, I was running my system from a cloned backup - and it crashes after about 15 minutes of usage. I re-imaged the original drive with a fresh El Capitan install. That drive must've gotten fried from the boot-cycling since it crashes after about 1 minute of usage. Running an old hard drive with Lion on it is stable.[/QUOTE

I tried replacing everything that had been changed with no luck. I tried and tried but could not "fix" a system that had undergone the 2018-001 Security Update.

Hi SuperMatt, have you run a re-install to the boot looped drive from a pikified USB EC stick with 10.11.6. It should overwrite your current OS files but leave all your users/data/apps intact. Ive found its the easiest way to "repair" a boot loop drive. You can create new install media and move drives and copy data to and fro if you have another EC capable mac but re-running a re-install from Pike modified USB installer is allot easier, takes less time, doesn't need another mac and restores your system to just before the update without touching a drive. You will though need to be able to boot into 10.6 or above to create a USB stick if you don't have one ready and a boot supported GPU.

Other options are restore from a backup if you have boot support on GPU holding down option key and selecting the install recovery. I have also tested and restored this way but depending on how many GB are on your OS disk the USB route can be much quicker as it replaces only OS files rather than deleting and restoring the disk from scratch as a time machine restore.

Also you could try running the pike app installer in another working bootable OS on the same machine and overwriting the boot loop HD OS. Ive not tested this but it could work for non boot supported GPU situations. Cloned drive backups can also be useful if you have no GPU boot support. Firewire Target disk mode can be used installing from another machine.

Also creating a HD on another EC capable mac but swapping out the boot.efi files (starting again) is an option. Again I've not tested but others have done with positive results on the forum.

Painful but recoverable if your machine can still boot that is. You should backup any important data if you can before reinstalling from a bootable OS or firewire target disk mode. I had a backup so could experiment with my boot drives straight away. A boot looped drive is accessible in the finder from another OS instance to backup data btw (if you caught/stopped the boot loop in time as its apparently crashing HD disks for other users). I only let the machine restart maybe 5 times before realising it was confused. It could go on for a long time if left unattended or started automatically...

 

[F1Mac]

I updated an old iMac running ElCap and it worked as it should. So seams to destroy just the hacked MacPros 1.1/2.1

Besides if all systems were affected it would have been all over the web already

 

[dude99]

So since the current combo update screws us, how can I update everything else now that I've reinstalled 10.11?

My only option is the combo update and I'd like to apply all the security and other fixes that came along before this one. Is there a link somewhere to the previous combo? I couldn't find anything on apples site.

 

[Ant3000]

Doesn't the combo updater allow you to view the different parts if you click on "more" next to the update button? The problematic update shows three parts - iTune, Safari and the Security update. Maybe the combo doesn't give the choice.

 

[Tony.Skid]

I can confirm that, reinstalling El Cap from the "old" 10.7.5 via pikify 4.1 (no usb) , I got back my O.S. with all users, data and configurations. After this, I've hide the security update, BTW

 

[jbarley]

Is there a link somewhere to the previous combo? I couldn't find anything on apples site.

10.12.5 combo update...
https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1918?locale=en_US

 

[Ant3000]

That's Sierra - not El Cap

 

[jbarley]

That's Sierra - not El Cap

Close though, only 1 digit out.
Here ya go, amazing what this Google thingy can find.
https://support.apple.com/kb/dl1876?locale=en_US

 

[swampy50]

I saved the combo update 10.11.6 pre this security balls up. Remember it will overwrite your boot loader. After you replace your bootloader, you can incrementally do the rest of the updates you need and avoid the 2018-001 security update..

https://mega.nz/#!xCRjELzC!vUMKLMzQe40CKdfmnPsKkHX-Pn4p151U3mpu0xGv9CE
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So since the current combo update screws us, how can I update everything else now that I've reinstalled 10.11?

My only option is the combo update and I'd like to apply all the security and other fixes that came along before this one. Is there a link somewhere to the previous combo? I couldn't find anything on apples site.

https://mega.nz/#!xCRjELzC!vUMKLMzQe40CKdfmnPsKkHX-Pn4p151U3mpu0xGv9CE

 

[SuperMatt]

I'm running on a fresh install

Hi SuperMatt, have you run a re-install to the boot looped drive from a pikified USB EC stick with 10.11.6. It should overwrite your current OS files but leave all your users/data/apps intact. Ive found its the easiest way to "repair" a boot loop drive. You can create new install media and move drives and copy data to and fro if you have another EC capable mac but re-running a re-install from Pike modified USB installer is allot easier, takes less time, doesn't need another mac and restores your system to just before the update without touching a drive. You will though need to be able to boot into 10.6 or above to create a USB stick if you don't have one ready and a boot supported GPU.

Other options are restore from a backup if you have boot support on GPU holding down option key and selecting the install recovery. I have also tested and restored this way but depending on how many GB are on your OS disk the USB route can be much quicker as it replaces only OS files rather than deleting and restoring the disk from scratch as a time machine restore.

Also you could try running the pike app installer in another working bootable OS on the same machine and overwriting the boot loop HD OS. Ive not tested this but it could work for non boot supported GPU situations. Cloned drive backups can also be useful if you have no GPU boot support.

Also creating a HD on another EC capable mac but swapping out the boot.efi files (starting again) is an option. Again I've not tested but others have done with positive results on the forum.

Painful but recoverable if your machine can still boot that is. You should backup any important data if you can before reinstalling from a bootable OS or firewire target disk mode. I had a backup so could experiment with my boot drives straight away. A boot looped drive is accessible in the finder from another OS instance to backup data btw (if you caught/stopped the boot loop in time as its apparently crashing HD disks for other users). I only let the machine restart maybe 5 times before realising it was confused. It could go on for a long time if left unattended or started automatically...

I wiped a drive and did a fresh El Cap install from the disk image in this thread: 2006/2007 Disc image for Mac Pro (1,1/2,1) and OS X El Capitan

We shall see if it is stable for now and then I'll consider moving over data.

 

[Iron Bridge]

I saved a combo update 10.11.6 pre this security balls up. Remember it will overwrite your boot loader. After you replace your bootloader, you can incrementally do the rest of the updates you need and avoid the 2018-001 security update..

https://mega.nz/#!xCRjELzC!vUMKLMzQe40CKdfmnPsKkHX-Pn4p151U3mpu0xGv9CE
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https://mega.nz/#!xCRjELzC!vUMKLMzQe40CKdfmnPsKkHX-Pn4p151U3mpu0xGv9CE

In addition to 10.11.6 combo update post (great job) if you look under system information>software>installations it shows security updates still intact on the 10.11.6 volume even after a reinstall to a boot looped drive (im using a piked 10.11.6 usb source to re-install). The re-install preserves these updates or should if you haven't clean installed. If clean installed they can be downloaded from:

Security Update 2017-001
https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1914?locale=en_US

Security Update 2017-002
https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1920?locale=en_US

Security Update 2017-003
https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1932?locale=en_US

Security Update 2017-004
https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1939?locale=en_US

Security Update 2017-005
https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1945?locale=en_US


I would check to see if the Combo updater to 10.11.6 from 10.11.0 installs these if you want to double check your install of the last known working security patches. Interestingly my system is missing 2017-001 but shows the others.

 

[CaiOM]

I have re install the system (10.11.6) in my ssd from another macbook pro with external HD.
It boot ok in the new macbook pro but when i try it in the MacPro 1,1 he don't
recognizes the ssd.
I have update the boot.efi file in the:
- system —> Library —> Core services and
- usr—> standalone—> i386
- recovery partition.

Anybody have any tip?
thanks

PS: before the 2018 update when I turn MacPro on I get very fast a black screen and Login prompt to insert my login and start, now this initial black screen don't appear and boot direct to 10.7