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glhughes

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Jul 4, 2009
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Argh. Well, definitely need new adhesive. The key has come off now from just typing on it for a bit. :/ Not sure where to get this.

Another update:

Bought a sheet of this stuff: 3M 300 LSE double-sided adhesive tape as it seems to be what all the repair companies (e.g. iFixIt) use to reseal iPhone/iPad/Mac screens, Apple Watches, etc.

I used a lot of patience and a razor blade (couldn't find my xacto knife!) to cut out some ~2.5 x ~0.5 mm chunks and carefully applied them to the perimeter of the dome assembly (where the original adhesive was located), and then put it into place in the key well. Took quite a few attempts to get it right as the adhesive is quite sticky and I was dealing with very small pieces. This stuff is pressure and heat sensitive, so after it was assembled I ran the "yes" heat generation routine while placing a weight on the '0' key for about an hour to try to cure it.

So far it seems to be holding. The key isn't quite as "flat" when depressed as the others, but I'm not sure if that's play in the new butterfly mechanism or the mounting. I am noticing a few of the other keys have a similar amount of play to them (keys that were not touched by Apple to install shims) so maybe it's ok. It does seem to be fairly solidly attached. If it ever comes off again I do have like 99% of the sheet of adhesive remaining to reattach it. :p

So I guess it is possible to satisfactorily repair the keyboard, although it is a huge PITA and I would probably recommend against it unless you are a bit of a masochist.

Anyway, the keyboard doesn't seem to be clicking anymore and all my keys are still attached and functioning so I'm happy for now.
 
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rlsikosek

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Apr 23, 2014
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That is great news! Did you return your 2016 MacBook Pro within the 14 day return period? Or did they replace it under warranty?

No, they replaced my Mac under warranty (I've had it for 3 months until the keyboard completely stopped working). Apple didn't replace my Mac, the reseller did. In the Netherlands we have a reseller called: 'Media Markt'. They helped me out.
 

SnackTime

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Jun 21, 2013
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I apologize for not reading the entire thread, yet, but I wanted to get some input on some issues I have had with my 2016 tbMBP - and whether it is a thing to bring it in to service for. A lot of the issues seem to be described within the thread.

I have had the issue with one of the keys not working, but that seems to have been remedied.

Most importantly I notice popping noises coming from it, but I don't know where/why. I have heard things about adhesive, chassis issues, etc. It seems to happen when the system is under load. It will pop whether I am interacting with it or not.

Also while under loads nearly half of the keys on the left side become 'sticky'.

Nothing has actually stopped working so I don't know if this is 'working as intended' or a thing the Apple Store could actually fix. I can live with it, but I'd rather not listen to my MacBook pop while working under any stress. I am not really interested in going through a parade of repairs/replacements unless these are issues indicative of real problems with my laptop.

Any input appreciated.
 

Playfoot

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Feb 2, 2009
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I apologize for not reading the entire thread, yet, but I wanted to get some input on some issues I have had with my 2016 tbMBP - and whether it is a thing to bring it in to service for. A lot of the issues seem to be described within the thread.

I have had the issue with one of the keys not working, but that seems to have been remedied.

Most importantly I notice popping noises coming from it, but I don't know where/why. I have heard things about adhesive, chassis issues, etc. It seems to happen when the system is under load. It will pop whether I am interacting with it or not.

Also while under loads nearly half of the keys on the left side become 'sticky'.

Nothing has actually stopped working so I don't know if this is 'working as intended' or a thing the Apple Store could actually fix. I can live with it, but I'd rather not listen to my MacBook pop while working under any stress. I am not really interested in going through a parade of repairs/replacements unless these are issues indicative of real problems with my laptop.

Any input appreciated.

From our experience, it will only get worse: both the noise and the key(s) not working. I have no idea as to the cause. I have opinions, one being that all us old guys and gals who learned to typed on manuals, selectrics, and buckling spring just hit the keys too hard. And for the popping sound, in one instance we were told it was the fan banging the case. Apparently the tolerances, according to Genius Bar are very tight and any misalignment is enough to create "angst".

All of our machines have been in once, and I dropped mine in again for the third top sheet. My advice is get the machine fixed. You may want to enquire as to what is the stock of top cases/sheets for the machine - if low on or out of stock, then wait. Low stock can result in two weeks turn around, even with genius bar.
 

martin2list

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Jul 19, 2014
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Can some 2017 MacBook Pro owners state how their keyboard holds up?
I bought a refurbished 2016 13" model last week, and had the hope they already built the 'Shim Kit' or the newer Keyboard into it, but unfortunately they didn't.

I have a very loud E key and it drives me nuts. If it wasn't the E key I probably wouldn't mind that much, but E is such a common letter and if the MacBook gets a little bit hot I just can't over hear it.

I also noticed a few other issues like a weird cracking, whenever I open my MacBook after it was closed for a while, a flickering screen after I pull out the USB-C adapter of my monitor (happened once) and that the arrow keys need to be hit a little harder to recognise a click. All of these issues were minor though, so I'm returning it mostly because of the letter E.

Now I ordered a 13" 2017 Kaby Lake BTO and have to wait 10-12 days for it. I really hope the 2017 models fix my issues especially this high pitch sound.. any experiences here?
 

fuzzystig

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Aug 28, 2012
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Can some 2017 MacBook Pro owners state how their keyboard holds up?
I bought a refurbished 2016 13" model last week, and had the hope they already built the 'Shim Kit' or the newer Keyboard into it, but unfortunately they didn't.

I have a very loud E key and it drives me nuts. If it wasn't the E key I probably wouldn't mind that much, but E is such a common letter and if the MacBook gets a little bit hot I just can't over hear it.

I also noticed a few other issues like a weird cracking, whenever I open my MacBook after it was closed for a while, a flickering screen after I pull out the USB-C adapter of my monitor (happened once) and that the arrow keys need to be hit a little harder to recognise a click. All of these issues were minor though, so I'm returning it mostly because of the letter E.

Now I ordered a 13" 2017 Kaby Lake BTO and have to wait 10-12 days for it. I really hope the 2017 models fix my issues especially this high pitch sound.. any experiences here?


I've had mine for about a month and its been great so far. I heat it up in bootcamp playing games like crisis and battlefield 1 (in which it performs surprisingly well), and the keyboard hasn't had a single issue. I had gone through 4 2016 MBP's before finally getting apple to approve a return way outside the return window (I had the computer for about 6 months and couldn't afford the downtime of servicing it every month). Getting the 2017 was definitely a gamble, but its paid off and the keyboard is perfect!
 
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jeroenvip

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May 13, 2017
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I've had mine for about a month and its been great so far. I heat it up in bootcamp playing games like crisis and battlefield 1 (in which it performs surprisingly well), and the keyboard hasn't had a single issue. I had gone through 4 2016 MBP's before finally getting apple to approve a return way outside the return window (I had the computer for about 6 months and couldn't afford the downtime of servicing it every month). Getting the 2017 was definitely a gamble, but its paid off and the keyboard is perfect!

Before this 2017 model i also had 3 or 4 2016 mbp models. All suffering from the same keyboard issue (


Having the 2017 model for a week now and also play BF1 a lot. The macbook does get hot alot. But no keyboard issues at all. One little tip. Get the 560 videocard with 4 gigs of ram. Its worth the money !
 
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itsasin

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Jul 25, 2017
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My apologies for not browsing the entire thread, but I have experienced similar issues to what certain people described. I purchased a 15” MacBook Pro (2016) in the early months of 2017. The machine had been running fine apart from the keyboard issues. Basically I noticed these right from the start, but perhaps they aggravated or I simply started paying even more attention to them later on.

Overall the keyboard and its keys (and even trackpad, or maybe I was just going berserk eventually) just kind of felt off in a way. It did not quite feel like a new and smooth keyboard. Additionally, the space bar seemed to have quite an issue, and the right half of it seemed way less responsive than the left half, as if it always kind of was partly stuck (despite it doing the trick purely practically speaking). Beside this, the arrow keys were quite the disaster from the start, especially the “up” and “down” arrows. Pressing them down was simply a hassle, it did not feel smooth and they just were very unpleasant to press down - requiring a strange amount of not very well distributed amount of pressure. The same thing applied to several other random keys on the keyboard. Beside that, there was the “high-pitched” noise issue, where usually certain keys specifically, would produce an annoying sound while being pressed. This did seem to be triggered by the machine being on a bit of a higher load. Overall I was not satisfied, and when the system got a bit hotter, the entire keyboard got less responsive - though still usable, just rather unpleasant - and produced this kind of “sticky” feeling, as if I spilled some sugary beverages on the keyboard, they had gotten mixed with some greasy crumbs as well and had been sitting there for years.

At one point I got so annoyed that I decided to bring it in for a repair, or whatever solution my local reseller could offer me. I was quite afraid, since I already owned this laptop for quite some months now and it was the first time reporting this problem to them, also thinking perhaps the reseller would either have me pay to get it fixed or brush it off as some cosmetic blemishes and no actual defects or perhaps act as if they were unaware of any similar cases and would be unable to reproduce these issues. Luckily, the guy from the repair service from the reseller told me he had seen similar issues before, even though he cautiously mentioned it as being only “a couple of these”.

About a week and a bit later I receive a message saying that my laptop was ready to be collected from the store again. Even though I did not agree to any repair costs, I would have to pay the costs to get my laptop tested on these issues and have them make an estimate concerning repair costs in case they thought my warranty does not cover the issue. Being broke and almost having to live under a bridge because I purchased this laptop, I almost did not want to visit my reseller anymore at that point in order to see what would be the result. I did pick it up though, as I needed my laptop back a.s.a.p., and I was immediately told that basically they had to replace the keyboard entirely. When I got home I soon noticed it was the revised keyboard; the problems seem to be gone (at least for now), the feeling of the entire keyboard is more tactile and less mushy and smoother, the “high-pitched” noises seem to be gone, space bar works great and the symbols and text changes on the “control” and “option” keys are there as well.

Now I read the form they gave me, and it said: “top case replaced”, and beneath this also when listing the parts: “top case with battery, iso, space gray”. I am not familiar with parts that much, so what do they exactly mean? What exactly did they replace? The trackpad and the entire top frame thingy as well, so not merely the keyboard itself? I never realized recent MacBook Pros were this much basically unibody, so to speak.
 

mydogeatsbeats

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Sep 16, 2016
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Got a brand new one (2017) some Keys make a louder higher pitched sound ... in the middle Nice solid click on the edges its higher pitched especially the # key :( im so tired with this new mac

Its not that Heat issue the key feel normal but they sound higher ...
 

Marconelly

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Jul 5, 2008
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I am going through this nightmare right now as well. Basically I got tired of having a few keys that I use all the time produce the high pitched noise whenever the computer gets anything slightly above warm. In the apple store they replaced the keycaps (I insisted they check for the shim repair note, but they said there was nothing). With new keycaps, nothing changed in terms of sound, but they managed to break something inside the butterfly mechanism of the E key, so the key would get stuck. Another trip to the store, and they told me they'll have to ship it off to replace the top case.

After a few days without the computer, and already beginning to regret it all, now that it's back, I'm noticing the super-loud high pitched click on the 0 key (which I, as a developer, use all the time because of the closing brace). It is absolutely comically loud - far louder than anything I've seen in youtube videos exploring this issue, and louder than what I had before. That key sounds, I do not joke, like an ancient typewriter. It is literally unbelievably loud, no matter how softly I press it. I've made a video of it: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0n8ousyo3xkfu33/IMG_0157.MOV?dl=0

Of course, again it only happens once the computer gets warm. On top of that, the whole case (or hinge) now pops, under thermal expansion, all the time.

After talking to Apple again, they told me my only course of action is to bring it in for another top case replacement, and probably hinge or screen replacement. With me pointing out that it would have to be more sensible to them to just exchange this for a new computer, rather than replacing 90% of it with new parts for the 2nd time, they told me they just can't do that. I am not sure how anyone managed to convince them to do a return for a new model outside of the normal 14 day window, but I wish I could do that, even if I had to pay them for it, as this computer feels cursed.
 
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itsasin

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Jul 25, 2017
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After talking to Apple again, they told me my only course of action is to bring it in for another top case replacement, and probably hinge or screen replacement. With me pointing out that it would have to be more sensible to them to just exchange this for a new computer, rather than replacing 90% of it with new parts for the 2nd time, they told me they just can't do that. I am not sure how anyone managed to convince them to do a return for a new model outside of the normal 14 day window, but I wish I could do that, even if I had to pay them for it, as this computer feels cursed.
So are you saying they replaced the top case with the exact same model, but just another one? Or is it a revised edition top case, but you still experience the same issues? Because the latter would get me very worried for my personal case.
 

Marconelly

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Jul 5, 2008
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So are you saying they replaced the top case with the exact same model, but just another one? Or is it a revised edition top case, but you still experience the same issues? Because the latter would get me very worried for my personal case.
I was not aware there is a revised top case (sorry, I didn't read the whole thread). They've never mentioned anything about that, and I don't know where to check for the model number. This was done just a few days ago, and the issues I've had with the previous keyboard have basically gotten worse - just take a look at the video I've added above.

On top of the clicking issue, I've also noticed that the up/down arrow keys now feel slightly different, and need to be hit a bit harder to register, compared to all the other keys. It is very possible to hit them lightly, and they don't register a press.

*edit* Read your previous post - so you're saying that the new top case for the 2016 MBP actually has keyboard keys with the new control/option keys? In that case, mine is the old model still. My option key still has 'alt' printed on it, and the control key doesn't have the ^ symbol printed on it. OK, this is important for me to know, as I could insist they replace it with the new keyboard next time.
 
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itsasin

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Jul 25, 2017
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I was not aware there is a revised top case (sorry, I didn't read the whole thread). They've never mentioned anything about that, and I don't know where to check for the model number. This was done just a few days ago, and the issues I've had with the previous keyboard have basically gotten worse - just take a look at the video I've added above.

On top of the clicking issue, I've also noticed that the up/down arrow keys now feel slightly different, and need to be hit a bit harder to register, compared to all the other keys. It is very possible to hit them lightly, and they don't register a press.
Well I got my top case replaced after I got so sick of my 15" MacBook Pro (2016) keyboard, that I basically decided enough was enough and I went back to my local reseller.

I did not read the entire thread either, and I am not very familiar with any of the latest developments in hardware and everything regarding how these machines are built, but I do notice that the top case and keyboard I got is different in a way. It just "feels" different (less "sticky", more smooth, not really the feeling of keys being - sometimes partially - "stuck"), but more noticeably, the "control" key on my keyboard now has a small icon as well, and the "alt" text on my "option" key is now an icon instead. So I assume I received some later version of the top case instead of just replacing it with the exact original one but merely another one.

My original "up" and "down" arrow keys were also a disaster on my first top case, they felt so mushy and difficult to press compared to other keys.
 

mydogeatsbeats

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Sep 16, 2016
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It is such a dumb thing that Apple has to change the Wohle topcase if ONE key is defect... its incredible stupid apple Charges 500 Euros for that in Germany
 

Populus

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I'd like to make a question to all of you, the people with this issue: Is this perceivable from day one? I mean, the 14 day period is more than enough to detect a problematic keyboard and, thus, return the whole unit, right?
 

SnackTime

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Jun 21, 2013
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I'd like to make a question to all of you, the people with this issue: Is this perceivable from day one? I mean, the 14 day period is more than enough to detect a problematic keyboard and, thus, return the whole unit, right?

For me, some of the issues were and some were not. The key(s) not working was a day 1 issue for me which was corrected through service. The other issues seem to have appeared after that period. The key not working was also an issue which, at first, disappeared on its own and then came back (After the 14 days). The machine making popping noises was not a thing I noticed until a few months in and the (for lack of a better description) spongy keys seems to only come about when under stress. This was probably a day one thing, but I did not know if it was an 'issue' or working as intended.
 
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Marconelly

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I'd like to make a question to all of you, the people with this issue: Is this perceivable from day one? I mean, the 14 day period is more than enough to detect a problematic keyboard and, thus, return the whole unit, right?
I noticed the clicky keys since the day one (first time the computer got warm under load), but I did't think it would annoy me, and wasn't sure if it's worth risking a replacement that could potentially be even worse - seeing that so many people were reporting the problem. I only got it to repair when I learned about the simple shim-install procedure - i figured 'why not', but then it went downhill from there.
 
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Populus

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So, the sticky keys and HPKCS (high pitched clicking sound) issue are perceivable from day one. Other issues maybe not. Thank you, this is an important point.

The first few days after I purchase a device like this, I test all I can test in order to see everything is perfect (a bit OCD). If not, I return it.
 

TheSaboteur

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Jul 27, 2017
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I just made an account to write this. I had bought a Macbook Pro 2017 without touchbar and sadly I had the problem with the high pitched keys when the macbook got hot (specially "i" and "9"). So I returned it and today (1 week later) I got my exchange model. And to my surprise the keyboard is flawless. No high pitched keys anymore. So don't loose hope when your macbook is affected by this problem and ask for an exchange.
 
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0110076

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Sep 4, 2016
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I sent my 2016 MacBook Pro for repair because the left and B key were making the high-pitched noise when warm.

A week went by, and I got a text telling me that my MacBook Pro is ready. When I went to pick it up I notice immediately that the left arrow key was completely stuck! Mind-boggling that the exact key that was supposed to be repaired was now completely useless. It went from a key with a high pitched noise to a completely useless key that wouldn't even go down.

I had to send the machine back. The second repair took a while longer, two weeks to be precise. Within this period it came to my attention from a person working at the store that the Mac actually came back a second time but the technicians noticed that again, the keyboard had issues. They didn't specify what kind of issues and I didn't ask. So, without my knowledge, they sent it back again.

When I finally went to pick it up, about 32 days after I left the MacBook Pro at the store, the first thing I noticed is that the keys are uneven. A lot of them. I also noticeed the keys at the bottom edge have a great feeling to the touch. The space bar, alt, cmd, ... but the keys at the middle of the keyboard do a lot of noise compared and feel very inconsistent to the touch.

A MacBook Pro with 2 months, one of which was spent in repairs.

I gave up. I don't have it in me to go trough this again. I developed an emotional bond to this company, its values, vision, Tim's leadership, ...so it's taking a toll on me.

Silly, I know...

One last thing,

I spent 4050€ in the past month with this MacBook Pro...that's about 4700 US dollars.
 
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alexballvideos

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Mar 11, 2017
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Waiting on a 2nd top-case to be fitted here, which is taking much longer than usual, I'm told it's due to a huge influx of MacBook repairs this week (people trying to get new for old 2012 replacements?). This is my 2nd machine, first one when back due to keyboard click syndrome and trackpad funkyness. First top case was for blown speaker, days after 14 day return period. Thought I was good after that but keyboard started giving me the ***** about a month later (after a selling my iMac and putting increased workload on the laptop). Reminds me of my first quad-core MacBook Pro ownership, painful. I hope the figure it out, such a nice machine, just the keyboard makes it feel like a $500 no-name laptop.
 
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