2017 - A year leaving the Apple walled garden

[Vegastouch]

You’re crazy for pretending that these small measures are better than just more cash.
[doublepost=1520304731][/doublepost]Also, I’m not saying this because Apple is supposedly great but because CASH MONEY is a much better benefit than “we feed you”. Because, no, they’re not spending more than 10$ per person per day.

Hmm,another absolute. Amazing how you know all these things. And getting free food isn't the only benefit.
I've worked at places for less money.
And Im curious , What part of this country may I ask do you live in?

 

[Michael Goff]

Can someone explain to me why infrequent updates to Android products matters and how their updates compare to Apple?

I have read many threads on MR complaining about being forced to update an Apple product, updates slowing older products, throttling batteries, bugs, etc. People wishing they could downgrade to a previous version of Apple's iOS, but are not allowed to.

Is Android affected the same way? Since Android products are not regularly updated, does that leave Android phones open and vulnerable to security issues? Does the software look dated? Or is it more about wanting new features, colors, and a user interface?

Are less security holes fixed in Android? Yes. The software on both sides doesn’t change appearance that much. It’s a lot to do with bug fixes that companies push out with some of the monthly patches that few companies actually push out monthly.

Hmm,another absolute. Amazing how you know all these things. And getting free food isn't the only benefit.
I've worked at places for less money.
And Im curious , What part of this country may I ask do you live in?

I live in Indiana. And I was adding money to what food costs here, for your information.

 

[Vegastouch]

Are less security holes fixed in Android? Yes. The software on both sides doesn’t change appearance that much. It’s a lot to do with bug fixes that companies push out with some of the monthly patches that few companies actually push out monthly.



I live in Indiana. And I was adding money to what food costs here, for your information.

Ok, just so you know the Bay Area in CA is the most expensive area in CA. I mean to do have your small ares like Beverly Hills but thats celebrity territory. The Bay Area is big and the whole area if very expensive. When I am here, I share an apartment with three other guys, sometimes we have had four others and the rent is $3,035 for a two bedroom. I am around 2 to 2.5 miles from Apples new headquarters.

 

[Michael Goff]

Ok, just so you know the Bay Area in CA is the most expensive area in CA. I mean to do have your small ares like Beverly Hills but thats celebrity territory. The Bay Area is big and the whole area if very expensive. When I am here, I share an apartment with three other guys, sometimes we have had four others and the rent is $3,035 for a two bedroom. I am around 2 to 2.5 miles from Apples new headquarters.

So would you imagine that one meal a day and some snacks is 5k$ a year per person?

 

[Vegastouch]

Don't know why your assume people eat only once a day at work. CA law is a break every two hours and there is breakfast and lunch for a day shift. I don't know, I guess you never been around something like this at the work place.

As I've said, I've worked at places that didn't pay as well and I know others that have too.

In anycase, I think I've had enough of this discussion. You are set in your way of thinking on it. In my years of working, not every place that pays the most is the best place to be. There are many factors but you only seem to care about one.

 

[Michael Goff]

Don't know why your assume people eat only once a day at work. CA law is a break every two hours and there is breakfast and lunch for a day shift. I don't know, I guess you never been around something like this at the work place.

As I've said, I've worked at places that didn't pay as well and I know others that have too.

In anycase, I think I've had enough of this discussion. You are set in your way of thinking on it. In my years of working, not every place that pays the most is the best place to be. There are many factors but you only seem to care about one.

We get 1 30 minute break and 2 15 where I work. >>

 

[Vegastouch]

We get 1 30 minute break and 2 15 where I work. >>

You know $5000 more a year is only $96 a week before taxes. And like I said there are other factors, and maybe other incentives given.
I haven't made the same yearly wage every year in my life. Sometimes I make more sometimes I make less. This year because of things I've got going on later this year, I won't make as much as I did last year.

 

[Michael Goff]

You know $5000 more a year is only $96 a week before taxes. And like I said there are other factors, and maybe other incentives given.
I haven't made the same yearly wage every year in my life. Sometimes I make more sometimes I make less. This year because of things I've got going on later this year, I won't make as much as I did last year.

We obviously live much different lives. You see 5k as just 96$ a week, but I can’t bring myself to think about it as “just” that much. Maybe that’s why I’m focused so much on the money, because I earned less than 40k last year before taxes. Maybe less this year.

 

[Vegastouch]

We obviously live much different lives. You see 5k as just 96$ a week, but I can’t bring myself to think about it as “just” that much. Maybe that’s why I’m focused so much on the money, because I earned less than 40k last year before taxes. Maybe less this year.

Understandable and now it makes sense and in that situation id probaly take the money too. But Just think how much extra money you would have if you didn't need to get breakfast and lunch everyday lol.
In all seriousness, many up here are also very focused on stocks and get stock options when they get hired by these tech companies so everybodys situation is different and maybe the extra 5k isn't as important. This area is a different animal.

 

[bopajuice]

I can’t believe “feeding employees” has become a company ethics benchmark these days. ‍♂️

After reading all this I'm getting hungry.

 

[I7guy]

I can’t believe “feeding employees” has become a company ethics benchmark these days. ‍♂️

It’s not and no where close. But I believe the value of the meal has to be added to your w2 in some grossed up fashion.

I cant believe that a lot of you dont get the point.

I’d rather see the lunch money in my salary and bring food from home. There is no point to be made.

 

[Frankied22]

While I don't agree with people looking down on people messaging without iMessage or acting like they are elite because they have blue bubbles, I will say once you use iMessage and if the people you communicate with the most also use it, it is pretty much impossible to give up. It is seamlessly integrated into the Apple ecosystem and makes it so effortless to message people no matter what device you are on and also be able to send full uncompressed photos and videos. Just the fact that I can read and reply to messages on my Mac (both iMessage and SMS messages) makes being in the ecosystem worth it. Again, I know there are many different messaging platforms that can do everything iMessage can, but if you are in the US and your immediate circle of contacts uses iMessage you are not going to be able to switch them all over to something else. WhatsApp is massive outside the US but I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole considering it is owned by Facebook. Also, I just think it looks ugly and clunky UI-wise. Wire is the only alternative I have come across that is both secure (so they say) and aesthetically pleasing to use. It's quite a nice messaging platform that has it all. But again...good luck getting all your contacts to download a third party app and switch to using that for messaging.

 

[Vegastouch]

It’s not and no where close. But I believe the value of the meal has to be added to your w2 in some grossed up fashion.


I’d rather see the lunch money in my salary and bring food from home. There is no point to be made.

Um, no.

And for you no, there isnt any point. You are still a youngster and have never experienced a lot of things. I understand where the one poster is coming from. Wages are low where he is from so the extra money id take too.
You, im guessing being a college student are probably in the same boat but if you are getting offered stock options but making $5000 less than you could at Apple ill take the stock option every time along with those other perks. Like i said its a different animal up here.

In what i do, ive seen guys quit because there was no food truck that showed up so you think they wouldnt love having free grub? I can tell you they would.

 

[The Game 161]

While I don't agree with people looking down on people messaging without iMessage or acting like they are elite because they have blue bubbles, I will say once you use iMessage and if the people you communicate with the most also use it, it is pretty much impossible to give up. It is seamlessly integrated into the Apple ecosystem and makes it so effortless to message people no matter what device you are on and also be able to send full uncompressed photos and videos. Just the fact that I can read and reply to messages on my Mac (both iMessage and SMS messages) makes being in the ecosystem worth it. Again, I know there are many different messaging platforms that can do everything iMessage can, but if you are in the US and your immediate circle of contacts uses iMessage you are not going to be able to switch them all over to something else. WhatsApp is massive outside the US but I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole considering it is owned by Facebook. Also, I just think it looks ugly and clunky UI-wise. Wire is the only alternative I have come across that is both secure (so they say) and aesthetically pleasing to use. It's quite a nice messaging platform that has it all. But again...good luck getting all your contacts to download a third party app and switch to using that for messaging.

I personally love iMessage but WhatsApp here in UK is huge. Sometimes people who have iMessage still WhatsApp. My mum and sister have iPhones but still sometimes text me on WhatsApp

I like how WhatsApp works with MacBook just a shame there is no iPad app

 

[I7guy]

Um, no.

And for you no, there isnt any point. You are still a youngster and have never experienced a lot of things. I understand where the one poster is coming from. Wages are low where he is from so the extra money id take too.
You, im guessing being a college student are probably in the same boat but if you are getting offered stock options but making $5000 less than you could at Apple ill take the stock option every time along with those other perks. Like i said its a different animal up here.

In what i do, ive seen guys quit because there as no food truck that showed up so you think they wouldnt love having free grub? I can tell you they would.

your post is a perfect example of not judging a book by its internet cover. Before I give away something about myself you discuss food truck and free grub. if you are not getting paid with decent wages free grub may be a must. But as the poster above said it’s not the definition of a corporate benefit benchmark, just increase my salary. But then you as a company have to pay more payroll taxes, fica, ss, etc.

Now as far as me, my kids have kids and I enjoy spending time in my houses on both coasts.

 

[Vegastouch]

your post is a perfect example of not judging a book by its internet cover. Before I give away something about myself you discuss food truck and free grub. if you are not getting paid with decent wages free grub may be a must. But as the poster above said it’s not the definition of a corporate benefit benchmark, just increase my salary. But then you as a company have to pay more payroll taxes, fica, ss, etc.

Now as far as me, my kids have kids and I enjoy spending time in my houses on both coasts.

You know its funny. I always thought your username was 17guy and a while back thought somebody asked you how old you were and you said you were a teenager lol. Just NOW i realize it says I7Guy. Well, my mistake but i was going by what i thought i recalled by that question.

Anyways, everybody has their needs and wants and it varies from person to person. I dont need the best of everything , dont need to have the latest update as soon as i can and i have taken less paying jobs and have had some of these perks i am talking about. I have worked up in this area over the years on and off for about 5-6 years.

Ive seen young people working at a internet data hub center (this is in 2000) be rich from stock options offered by tech companies and they dont come in to work every week because they can take care of their interenet customers from home or if those companies need more power for their servers they want to bring in, they just tell me and i took care of it. I have no idea how much those people made for salary or hourly wage, but i know they were in their twenties , maybe early 30's and finacialy werent hurting a bit because in part of stocks they got.

So, in conclusion, sometimes the money wage up here isnt the most important thing. You will get your money one way or the other. You can not process or really get what i mean until you are here experiencing it. This is the silicon valley, its different up here.

I dont know about you, but having a good work place and a good boss makes for a happy work place and i appreciate that. Some of the best jobs ive ever had have been up here. But id never live here permanently because it costs too much and CA is getting real bad with Taxes and everything else. Its why i left in 1996.

 

[convergent]

We obviously live much different lives. You see 5k as just 96$ a week, but I can’t bring myself to think about it as “just” that much. Maybe that’s why I’m focused so much on the money, because I earned less than 40k last year before taxes. Maybe less this year.

Understandable and now it makes sense and in that situation id probaly take the money too. But Just think how much extra money you would have if you didn't need to get breakfast and lunch everyday lol.
In all seriousness, many up here are also very focused on stocks and get stock options when they get hired by these tech companies so everybodys situation is different and maybe the extra 5k isn't as important. This area is a different animal.

Can you guys start another thread to talk about this... you've gone way off the subject. Would love to get back to talking about experience from people that are moving away from the Apple world, or not.
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While I don't agree with people looking down on people messaging without iMessage or acting like they are elite because they have blue bubbles, I will say once you use iMessage and if the people you communicate with the most also use it, it is pretty much impossible to give up. It is seamlessly integrated into the Apple ecosystem and makes it so effortless to message people no matter what device you are on and also be able to send full uncompressed photos and videos. Just the fact that I can read and reply to messages on my Mac (both iMessage and SMS messages) makes being in the ecosystem worth it. Again, I know there are many different messaging platforms that can do everything iMessage can, but if you are in the US and your immediate circle of contacts uses iMessage you are not going to be able to switch them all over to something else. WhatsApp is massive outside the US but I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole considering it is owned by Facebook. Also, I just think it looks ugly and clunky UI-wise. Wire is the only alternative I have come across that is both secure (so they say) and aesthetically pleasing to use. It's quite a nice messaging platform that has it all. But again...good luck getting all your contacts to download a third party app and switch to using that for messaging.

I don't think its so much "looking down" on people not using Apple, as much as being annoyed that they are disrupting the sanitary all Apple world. If its a close circle of people you communicate with, its not a big deal. But if you are in many group message threads with people you don't know that well, its impossible as you said to deal with. But I'm going to use what I want and like to use, and I'm OK if others don't like it. I'm not going to buy a different phone because of it.

 

[Michael Goff]

Can you guys start another thread to talk about this... you've gone way off the subject. Would love to get back to talking about experience from people that are moving away from the Apple world, or not.
[doublepost=1520389319][/doublepost]

I don't think its so much "looking down" on people not using Apple, as much as being annoyed that they are disrupting the sanitary all Apple world. If its a close circle of people you communicate with, its not a big deal. But if you are in many group message threads with people you don't know that well, its impossible as you said to deal with. But I'm going to use what I want and like to use, and I'm OK if others don't like it. I'm not going to buy a different phone because of it.

Then do it. Nobody is stopping you.

 

[bopajuice]

Can you guys start another thread to talk about this... you've gone way off the subject. Would love to get back to talking about experience from people that are moving away from the Apple world, or not.
[doublepost=1520389319][/doublepost]

I don't think its so much "looking down" on people not using Apple, as much as being annoyed that they are disrupting the sanitary all Apple world. If its a close circle of people you communicate with, its not a big deal. But if you are in many group message threads with people you don't know that well, its impossible as you said to deal with. But I'm going to use what I want and like to use, and I'm OK if others don't like it. I'm not going to buy a different phone because of it.

It is still hard to believe people will interact with others (or not) based on what message format they use or the color of their texts. It must be a kid thing. Seems a bit juvenile and naive to me. In the business world I interact with people using many different modes of communication. Never crossed my mind that one is more desirable than the other. Or that one is looked down upon, etc. Is this sort of attitude related to the perceived elitist Apple thing?

 

[Vegastouch]

It is still hard to believe people will interact with others (or not) based on what message format they use or the color of their texts. It must be a kid thing. Seems a bit juvenile and naive to me. In the business world I interact with people using many different modes of communication. Never crossed my mind that one is more desirable than the other. Or that one is looked down upon, etc. Is this sort of attitude related to the perceived elitist Apple thing?

I assume it's a kid thing. To not consider dating someone because of what phone they use is pretty juvenile imo. They will see the light when they get older and wiser.

 

[Michael Goff]

It is still hard to believe people will interact with others (or not) based on what message format they use or the color of their texts. It must be a kid thing. Seems a bit juvenile and naive to me. In the business world I interact with people using many different modes of communication. Never crossed my mind that one is more desirable than the other. Or that one is looked down upon, etc. Is this sort of attitude related to the perceived elitist Apple thing?

I think it’s partially elitism and partially that MMS/SMS are both so horrible.

 

[widgeteer]

I think it’s partially elitism and partially that MMS/SMS are both so horrible.

I don't think it's elitism, or to be more precise I honestly don't think "blue bubble/green bubble" is really a huge "thing". Regardless of anecdotal stories here. There might be some kids in school that care but vast majority of adults don't give this that much thought. As for MMS/SMS, agreed on texts sucking for anything other than actual text. However I also don't notice a huge difference for my personally. Only time texting gets frustrating is if I want to send a video. And that's where I wish Apple would steal Google Photos create-a-link.

 

[Michael Goff]

I don't think it's elitism, or to be more precise I honestly don't think "blue bubble/green bubble" is really a huge "thing". Regardless of anecdotal stories here. There might be some kids in school that care but vast majority of adults don't give this that much thought. As for MMS/SMS, agreed on texts sucking for anything other than actual text. However I also don't notice a huge difference for my personally. Only time texting gets frustrating is if I want to send a video. And that's where I wish Apple would steal Google Photos create-a-link.

I send a lot of images and it failed so often on my Pixel.

 

[widgeteer]

I send a lot of images and it failed so often on my Pixel.

Huh. I have a Pixel 2 XL, never had that issue. What carrier are you with? Good signals in your area?

 

[Michael Goff]

Huh. I have a Pixel 2 XL, never had that issue. What carrier are you with? Good signals in your area?

AT&T. Mediocre signal. Same places work with iMessage, though.