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2017 Formula 1 Season Thread
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Ferrari's are coming back into it I think. Vettel will have more rubber left at the end.
Crofty just said Vettel will have 7 lap fresher tyres. Let's see if we're in for some drama at the end
However the Ferrari's were having blistering before the Mercs so I'm not sure it will make that much difference.
Vettel is faster but once he gets within site of Bottas's back wing he will struggle.
Absolutely... but Bottas just nailed a huge flat spot! I think he just threw away the victory.
lol I was making tea!
[doublepost=1493559545][/doublepost]Great win for Bottas soaking up the pressure of having Vettel breathing down his neck for those last laps. Thoroughly deserved.
I was encouraged to see the start grid with Ferrari on the front row. Bottas had a great start and drove a nice race. Deserved the win. Still, pretty much no passing. F1 is getting better in that the Mercs are automatically going 1-2 but still where is the passing? I'd like to see someone actually challenging the leader. Maybe the DRS instead of 1 sec should be a bit larger....
Trouble is the DRS boost is okay on the straight, but on the corners you are loosing so much downforce, that your lap is compromised as soon as you are within a 2 second window.
Even at the end as Vettel was chasing Bottas, he was getting DRS from backmarkers.
But agree some more passing wouldn't go a miss.
It's never been a secret in F1 that the Hamiltons, the Vettels, the Alonso's the Schumachers etc are better than most. I don't even need to justify that in all honesty.
A bit early, but in the wet I think I'd add Max to that list.
Especially in the wet.
Well, Hamilton is better than Stroll I will admit. You're right. He's also better than Palmer I'm pretty sure. Better than most, when most includes these two and Perez, Wehrlein, Ocon, etc, well yes I agree.
In the same league Alonso? Schumacher? Hakkinen? Prost? Senna? No, not at all. Look at what some drivers on the current grid are doing in their cars: Verstappen in his underpowered Red Bull, Alonso getting into Q2 in that poxed McLaren (twice!), Hulkenberg in the Renault...Hamilton can't even be a fair sport in the best car. It's pointless to argue about it, because while common sense says it's the car, his fans say it's 100% driver. Until You put Hamilton in a lousy car or put an Alonso or a Verstappen in a good car, any argument is baseless.
That's my biggest point of irritation with Hamilton: He's such a godamn poor sport about it, and his mindless fans just believe everything he says. Hamilton *has tantrum* goes "I didn't win, it's a conspiracy!" and his fans (99% of whom can't think for themselves) *goes on F1 forums, has tantrum* parrot back "Hamilton didn't win, it's a conspiracy!"
The hypocritical Hamilton fans, who say stats prove their boy is the best, say stats don't matter when Rosberg wins the title. Or that Rosberg didn't deserve it, or, wait for it: It's fixed against him. You don't need to justify it, that's quite true - stats prove his car is what has delivered his results. A motto of "Hamilton wins, it's all Hamilton. Hamilton loses, it's all Mercedes." is illogical nonsense.
The bottom line is that now we have stiffer competition at the front, Hamilton isn't such a wonderful driver after all, Bernie is gone (finally!), Jenson is back for one final race, and the sport is a whole hell of a lot more fun to watch.
But this post isn't intended as an argument or a rebuttal, but the nonsense of fanboyism. Let's just enjoy the season.
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I've actually thought Lewis has matured a lot in recent years.Well, Hamilton is better than Stroll I will admit. You're right. He's also better than Palmer I'm pretty sure. Better than most, when most includes these two and Perez, Wehrlein, Ocon, etc, well yes I agree.
In the same league Alonso? Schumacher? Hakkinen? Prost? Senna? No, not at all. Look at what some drivers on the current grid are doing in their cars: Verstappen in his underpowered Red Bull, Alonso getting into Q2 in that poxed McLaren (twice!), Hulkenberg in the Renault...Hamilton can't even be a fair sport in the best car. It's pointless to argue about it, because while common sense says it's the car, his fans say it's 100% driver. Until You put Hamilton in a lousy car or put an Alonso or a Verstappen in a good car, any argument is baseless.
That's my biggest point of irritation with Hamilton: He's such a godamn poor sport about it, and his mindless fans just believe everything he says. Hamilton *has tantrum* goes "I didn't win, it's a conspiracy!" and his fans (99% of whom can't think for themselves) *goes on F1 forums, has tantrum* parrot back "Hamilton didn't win, it's a conspiracy!"
The hypocritical Hamilton fans, who say stats prove their boy is the best, say stats don't matter when Rosberg wins the title. Or that Rosberg didn't deserve it, or, wait for it: It's a conspiracy. You don't need to justify it, that's quite true - stats prove his car is what has delivered his results. A motto of "Hamilton wins, it's all Hamilton. Hamilton doesn't win, it's all the car." is illogical nonsense.
The bottom line is that now we have stiffer competition at the front, Hamilton isn't such a wonderful driver after all, Bernie is gone (finally!), Jenson is back for one final race, and the sport is a whole hell of a lot more fun to watch.
But this post isn't intended as an argument or a rebuttal, but the nonsense of fanboyism. Let's just enjoy the season.
Can't say how he's not a good driver though. His record speaks for itself.
Vettel one all his Championship's in the best car. So did Schu. Both of whom had their team promote them over there number two drivers (just ask Webber!).
All this season needs is a bit more overtaking and we'll all be happy!
He is a good driver, he's just quite overrated. But I agree, he has matured a bit the past year which is nice to see.
And Vettel and Schumi - yeah, well, I wasn't crazy about Schumacher either. I like Vettel because his personality seems to be pretty cool; bad or good car, he's a good driver and generally a good sport about it. Same reason I liked Button.
In re overtaking, I'm quite happy with the overtaking so far - it's not all decided on the straights with DRS, more fighting in the corners and tighter moves. That's fun to watch!
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Good sport? Remember Kvyat in the post match interview last year?
Called him suicidal!
Button (like Webber and Massa) all seem like genuine nice blokes. As does Ricardo. Couldn't imagine him loosing it!
Well like I said, Vettel is generally a good sport about it.
Massa and Danny Ric - I forgot about them; they seem like decent blokes too. It pains me to see Ricciardo not being able to finish and as much as I want McLaren to improve I'd really like to see Red Bull add more power and reliability in the next couple races; Ricciardo because he is genuinely a good driver, and Verstappen - while still a turd in some ways - just makes everything surprising and fun. He is brilliant in where he puts the car. Reading more about Jos I kind of give Max the benefit of doubt.
Management at McLaren doesn't illicit much pity atm.
Well feel sorry for Sauber. They have average drivers and an average chassis on a limited budget.Well like I said, Vettel is generally a good sport about it.
Massa and Danny Ric - I forgot about them; they seem like decent blokes too. It pains me to see Ricciardo not being able to finish and as much as I want McLaren to improve I'd really like to see Red Bull add more power and reliability in the next couple races; Ricciardo because he is genuinely a good driver, and Verstappen - while still a turd in some ways - just makes everything surprising and fun. He is brilliant in where he puts the car. Reading more about Jos I kind of give Max the benefit of doubt.
Management at McLaren doesn't illicit much pity atm.
Next year they'll be getting a Honda engine!
McLaren will be switching to a Mercedes. But will Alonso still be around to see the benefit?
Either way Sauber might as well call 2018 'testing'.
Why have you gone off on a tangent about fanboyism in response to me? What's that got to do with me or my point? I've never encountered the types of fans you've given examples of. It sounds more like football fans to me, or maybe I'm a lot older and avoid childish morons like that.Well, Hamilton is better than Stroll I will admit. You're right. He's also better than Palmer I'm pretty sure. Better than most, when most includes these two and Perez, Wehrlein, Ocon, etc, well yes I agree.
In the same league Alonso? Schumacher? Hakkinen? Prost? Senna? No, not at all. Look at what some drivers on the current grid are doing in their cars: Verstappen in his underpowered Red Bull, Alonso getting into Q2 in that poxed McLaren (twice!), Hulkenberg in the Renault...Hamilton can't even be a fair sport in the best car. It's pointless to argue about it, because while common sense says it's the car, his fans say it's 100% driver. Until You put Hamilton in a lousy car or put an Alonso or a Verstappen in a good car, any argument is baseless.
That's my biggest point of irritation with Hamilton: He's such a godamn poor sport about it, and his mindless fans just believe everything he says. Hamilton *has tantrum* goes "I didn't win, it's a conspiracy!" and his fans (99% of whom can't think for themselves) *goes on F1 forums, has tantrum* parrot back "Hamilton didn't win, it's a conspiracy!"
The hypocritical Hamilton fans, who say stats prove their boy is the best, say stats don't matter when Rosberg wins the title. Or that Rosberg didn't deserve it, or, wait for it: It's fixed against him. You don't need to justify it, that's quite true - stats prove his car is what has delivered his results. A motto of "Hamilton wins, it's all Hamilton. Hamilton loses, it's all Mercedes." is illogical nonsense.
The bottom line is that now we have stiffer competition at the front, Hamilton isn't such a wonderful driver after all, Bernie is gone (finally!), Jenson is back for one final race, and the sport is a whole hell of a lot more fun to watch.
But this post isn't intended as an argument or a rebuttal, but the nonsense of fanboyism. Let's just enjoy the season.
I do think Hamilton is in the same league as the rest of the greats mentioned. He's proven that in the decade he's been in F1. No driver wins 3 WDC's by just being handed a good car. Plenty of drivers have underachieved in good cars and Hamilton isn't one of them. It's not really up for debate though and perhaps pointless in any case.
I am guessing Honda will be providing them engines at no charge so Sauber will be saving the money they are currently spending on last year's Ferrari unit.
Although true I'd rather have an older Ferrari unit than a brand new Honda and a bigger bank balance!
I would think the same, at least for next year because the 2017 Ferrari engine is at least one of the best while the 2016 was really bad. Although I think this move is more about Sauber being able to continue being an F1 team. They're under financial strain with such a poor car and sponsors aren't as easy to gain for a team with no chance whatsoever to compete.
True but would you want to sponsor them next season? No one sees the sponsorship badges in the garage!
I expect Honda will be providing a not-insubstantial amount of sponsorship money to the team, as well. McLaren has not had a Title Sponsor for years and their operating budget is much higher than Sauber's - Honda must be picking up a fair bit of that, as well.
It's a pretty ridiculously high amount of money from what I have read
I expect Honda will be providing a not-insubstantial amount of sponsorship money to the team, as well. McLaren has not had a Title Sponsor for years and their operating budget is much higher than Sauber's - Honda must be picking up a fair bit of that, as well.
This is a long play for Honda, which is ultimately good for F1.
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