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The-Real-Deal82

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I thought Ferrari would be a little closer after the media assumption they would give Mercedes a run. It is only practice I suppose, and they might still be sandbagging.

Hamilton looking good so far and in tune with his car. I think Bottas will take a few races to find his footing. It would be nice to see another team in the mix this year, I live in hope.
 

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I thought Ferrari would be a little closer after the media assumption they would give Mercedes a run. It is only practice I suppose, and they might still be sandbagging.

Hamilton looking good so far and in tune with his car. I think Bottas will take a few races to find his footing. It would be nice to see another team in the mix this year, I live in hope.
Don't we all! I doubt Ferrari were sandbagging. The Mercedes were on the ultrasoft, so it might be a little closer than it looks. Fingers crossed.
 
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Practice is a probably a little closer to race pace than the testing was, but I don't think we'll really know what's what until qualifying tomorrow. And even then, Ferarri had good race pace last season even when Mercedes had them in qualifying.

I'm just hoping for a slightly more interesting season than last year, that really was pretty dull other than Max and the Mercedes battle. Fingers crossed...
 

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IF this were qualifying results (big IF), I would guess Vettel is good enough to beat Botas with the Ferrari based on driver skill. However, Hamilton looks to still be the best driver in the best car.
 

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I like you, and your posts @Apple fanboy, but you do tend to see things, F1 things, through "Lewis Hamilton rose colored glasses". ;)


Don't open spoiler if you haven't seen qualifying yet.

1 44 Lewis Hamilton MERCEDES 1:24.191 1:23.251 1:22.188 14
2 5 Sebastian Vettel FERRARI 1:25.210 1:23.401 1:22.456 17
3 77 Valtteri Bottas MERCEDES 1:24.514 1:23.215 1:22.481 13
4 7 Kimi Räikkönen FERRARI 1:24.352 1:23.376 1:23.033 19
5 33 Max Verstappen RED BULL RACING TAG HEUER 1:24.482 1:24.092 1:23.485 18
6 8 Romain Grosjean HAAS FERRARI 1:25.419 1:24.718 1:24.074 17
7 19 Felipe Massa WILLIAMS MERCEDES 1:25.099 1:24.597 1:24.443 16
8 55 Carlos Sainz TORO ROSSO 1:25.542 1:24.997 1:24.487 16
9 26 Daniil Kvyat TORO ROSSO 1:25.970 1:24.864 1:24.512 16
10 3 Daniel Ricciardo RED BULL RACING TAG HEUER 1:25.383 1:23.989 DNF 10
11 11 Sergio Perez FORCE INDIA MERCEDES 1:25.064 1:25.081 13
12 27 Nico Hulkenberg RENAULT 1:24.975 1:25.091 12
13 14 Fernando Alonso MCLAREN HONDA 1:25.872 1:25.425 15
14 31 Esteban Ocon FORCE INDIA MERCEDES 1:26.009 1:25.568 16
15 9 Marcus Ericsson SAUBER FERRARI 1:26.236 1:26.465 15
16 36 AntonioGiovinazzi SAUBER FERRARI 1:26.419 8
17 20 KevinMagnussen HAAS FERRARI 1:26.847 7
18 2 StoffelVandoorne MCLAREN HONDA 1:26.858 6
19 18 Lance Stroll WILLIAMS MERCEDES 1:27.143 7
20 30 Jolyon Palmer RENAULT 1:28.244 7
 

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I like you, and your posts @Apple fanboy, but you do tend to see things, F1 things, through "Lewis Hamilton rose colored glasses". ;)


Don't open spoiler if you haven't seen qualifying yet.

1 44 Lewis Hamilton MERCEDES 1:24.191 1:23.251 1:22.188 14
2 5 Sebastian Vettel FERRARI 1:25.210 1:23.401 1:22.456 17
3 77 Valtteri Bottas MERCEDES 1:24.514 1:23.215 1:22.481 13
4 7 Kimi Räikkönen FERRARI 1:24.352 1:23.376 1:23.033 19
5 33 Max Verstappen RED BULL RACING TAG HEUER 1:24.482 1:24.092 1:23.485 18
6 8 Romain Grosjean HAAS FERRARI 1:25.419 1:24.718 1:24.074 17
7 19 Felipe Massa WILLIAMS MERCEDES 1:25.099 1:24.597 1:24.443 16
8 55 Carlos Sainz TORO ROSSO 1:25.542 1:24.997 1:24.487 16
9 26 Daniil Kvyat TORO ROSSO 1:25.970 1:24.864 1:24.512 16
10 3 Daniel Ricciardo RED BULL RACING TAG HEUER 1:25.383 1:23.989 DNF 10
11 11 Sergio Perez FORCE INDIA MERCEDES 1:25.064 1:25.081 13
12 27 Nico Hulkenberg RENAULT 1:24.975 1:25.091 12
13 14 Fernando Alonso MCLAREN HONDA 1:25.872 1:25.425 15
14 31 Esteban Ocon FORCE INDIA MERCEDES 1:26.009 1:25.568 16
15 9 Marcus Ericsson SAUBER FERRARI 1:26.236 1:26.465 15
16 36 AntonioGiovinazzi SAUBER FERRARI 1:26.419 8
17 20 KevinMagnussen HAAS FERRARI 1:26.847 7
18 2 StoffelVandoorne MCLAREN HONDA 1:26.858 6
19 18 Lance Stroll WILLIAMS MERCEDES 1:27.143 7
20 30 Jolyon Palmer RENAULT 1:28.244 7
lol thanks for the spoiler alert, but I stay well away from anything F1 or news related for the sessions I can't watch live.

So much closer than I feared. But overall the cars look so much quicker through the turns. If it's as close as qualifying it should be a good race and hopefully a good close season.

As for Lewis Rose coloured spectacles it's more like a visor. :D

Nothing wrong with getting behind a great British driver from Great Britain!
 

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I like you, and your posts @Apple fanboy, but you do tend to see things, F1 things, through "Lewis Hamilton rose colored glasses". ;)


Don't open spoiler if you haven't seen qualifying yet.

1 44 Lewis Hamilton MERCEDES 1:24.191 1:23.251 1:22.188 14
2 5 Sebastian Vettel FERRARI 1:25.210 1:23.401 1:22.456 17
3 77 Valtteri Bottas MERCEDES 1:24.514 1:23.215 1:22.481 13
4 7 Kimi Räikkönen FERRARI 1:24.352 1:23.376 1:23.033 19
5 33 Max Verstappen RED BULL RACING TAG HEUER 1:24.482 1:24.092 1:23.485 18
6 8 Romain Grosjean HAAS FERRARI 1:25.419 1:24.718 1:24.074 17
7 19 Felipe Massa WILLIAMS MERCEDES 1:25.099 1:24.597 1:24.443 16
8 55 Carlos Sainz TORO ROSSO 1:25.542 1:24.997 1:24.487 16
9 26 Daniil Kvyat TORO ROSSO 1:25.970 1:24.864 1:24.512 16
10 3 Daniel Ricciardo RED BULL RACING TAG HEUER 1:25.383 1:23.989 DNF 10
11 11 Sergio Perez FORCE INDIA MERCEDES 1:25.064 1:25.081 13
12 27 Nico Hulkenberg RENAULT 1:24.975 1:25.091 12
13 14 Fernando Alonso MCLAREN HONDA 1:25.872 1:25.425 15
14 31 Esteban Ocon FORCE INDIA MERCEDES 1:26.009 1:25.568 16
15 9 Marcus Ericsson SAUBER FERRARI 1:26.236 1:26.465 15
16 36 AntonioGiovinazzi SAUBER FERRARI 1:26.419 8
17 20 KevinMagnussen HAAS FERRARI 1:26.847 7
18 2 StoffelVandoorne MCLAREN HONDA 1:26.858 6
19 18 Lance Stroll WILLIAMS MERCEDES 1:27.143 7
20 30 Jolyon Palmer RENAULT 1:28.244 7
Ferrari/Mercedes are so close now. The difference between the two cars is small enough where Merc can't cover the weaker driver, IMHO. Should be much more interesting racing.
 
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Ferrari/Mercedes are so close now. The difference between the two cars is small enough where Merc can't cover the weaker driver, IMHO. Should be much more interesting racing.
That's what we all want. No doubt Lewis and Vettel are better drivers than their team mates.
McLaren seem to be about where they were last year. I think RBR seem to be the biggest losers so far as they were definitely the number 2 team at the end of last season.

Wish my TV was showing it live tomorrow morning.
 
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AustinIllini

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That's what we all want. No doubt Lewis and Vettel are better drivers than their team mates.
McLaren seem to be about where they were last year. I think RBR seem to be the biggest losers so far as they were definitely the number 2 team at the end of last season.

Wish my TV was showing it live tomorrow morning.
SVD simply isn't quite ready, but I agree with your assessment of McLaren.

I'm really interested to see where Haas winds up. They look like they could make some splashes in the middle of the field.
 
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Gav2k

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Now tv mate. Sometimes it's worth the day pass fee.

As for the racing it'll be interesting to see how much they all turn it down to preserve the engines
 
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The-Real-Deal82

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Sky have lost an absolute fortune in the South Wales Valleys, everybody is either using Kodi sticks or Openbox sets. I use the latter and have done for about 3 years now. I'm not paying to watch something I had for 20 years at no extra cost! :)
 

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Question for the American homies: is it possible to watch the races day-of without a cable subscription? I have Time Warner-cum-Spectrum, but not the TV part. I've formerly downloaded the races a few days later via bittorrent but as the year progressed in '16 they became less reliably available.

IF this were qualifying results (big IF), I would guess Vettel is good enough to beat Botas with the Ferrari based on driver skill. However, Hamilton looks to still be a driver in the best car.

Fixed for you. ;)
 

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So if Lewis hadn't tried the undercut would he have won?
Great to see a different team win of course, and I really hope we can see the two big teams slog it out all season.
However my concern is that it's even harder to follow the car in front than it was last year. Will that mean that races are decided even more in strategy than before?
 

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Really not sure whether that was better or worse than last year. OK, so it looks like Ferarri have a much more competitive car so it shouldn't always be a Mercedes 1-2 which is good, but more worrying is the fact that there was very little overtaking and it looked like it was going to be even more difficult to overtake (Lewis didn't really get close to Max when he was stuck behind him).

Melbourne probably not a good gauge for the rest of the season, so hopefully things will improve on true race circuits
 
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Really not sure whether that was better or worse than last year. OK, so it looks like Ferarri have a much more competitive car so it shouldn't always be a Mercedes 1-2 which is good, but more worrying is the fact that there was very little overtaking and it looked like it was going to be even more difficult to overtake (Lewis didn't really get close to Max when he was stuck behind him).

Melbourne probably not a good gauge for the rest of the season, so hopefully things will improve on true race circuits
Exactly. Lewis couldn't pass a slower RB with new tyres. Races with just one pit stop could well be less exciting.
At least you can see them going for it in the corners this year.
 

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Don't get me wrong, I think a title battle would be a great thing, but I hope it's a battle on the track and not decided in the first corner or in the pit lane ;)
 
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First race and someone other than Merc wins, Horaay! Bad news, the race wasn't really decided on the track with drivers challenging each other. Again, no passing. This was a race decided on strategy and luck....Hamilton getting held up. Ferrari has made up ground but alas Merc is still in the lead. F1 has to fix this. I want passing and drivers taking some chances. I really think that refueling has to be brought back. Remember when you didn't know if a driver was on a full tank and there was strategy involved. We'll see on the next race.

BTW, replay here in the States on NBCSN is Monday at 1500 (live started at 0030 Sunday...I stayed up till 0200 then toddled off to bed with Vettel in the lead). Pretty lame that they couldn't air it on Sunday afternoon or night.
 
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Hamilton getting held up. Ferrari has made up ground but alas Merc is still in the lead.
I take two things from this first race: 1st, The Silver Arrows weren't shoed in for the win; Vettel didn't let Hamilton get ahead. He didn't get close enough to do any damage, but he didn't let him get away either. That's good news for viewers who want another team good enough to challenge. 2nd, Lewis was held up fair and square - Verstappen wasn't being lapped and had every right to defend his position, so I count it up to driving. Lewis so great? Mercedes so great? Why wasn't Lewis able to make an easier time of it? That's racing; At other times, drivers have been held up and Lewis takes off into the sunset and fans say it's all Hammertime skill. Lewis got held up by a driver who's scrappy enough to fight back, and Lewis wasn't able to do anything about it despite having a superior vehicle.

I think this race bodes well for a fight this year. :)
 
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