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br0adband

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It seems that if you speed up the cooling fan, it might be better. Did anyone used a manual fan controller for 2018?

When you have to use a third-party solution of any kind to resolve an issue that shouldn't be happening in the first place, yeah, that's a pretty clear indicator that something is terribly wrong. I'm not saying that this issue can't be alleviated to various degrees (pun very much intended) with the adjustment of the fan curves, but even so there's that underlying question of "How the hell could Apple ship something like this in this particular state of functionality knowing that professionals need Final Cut Pro and Premiere Pro and some other CPU-intensive applications and programs to perform at their best and they should considering the crazy premium pricing they're paying for said performance?"

I mean it's really that simple: if the product isn't doing what it should be doing and providing the level of performance it's supposed to provide - and some people will say that when it throttles it's doing exactly what it's designed to do, which is true again to some degrees but also a crappy line of reasoning to use as a defense of the lame throttling performance - then by all means, send it back to Apple or return it and teach them this kind of situation is simply not acceptable for the given level of pricing on these products.

If people just continue to shrug it off and let Apple continue these kinds of practices, well, that's on the people gladly forking over excessive amounts of money for the "privilege" of using Apple products I suppose.
 

Newtons Apple

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I am betting if this CPU is run wide open for any length of time it will throttle. In a notebook there is little Apple could do about it. Most the time the CPU is used in quick spurts but if used in software like final cut it will overheat and throttle. Only thing that could stop it would be like a water cooled system.
 

Queen6

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I was considering one of these but now I'm holding off.

I wouldn't keep it. It will perform well as you stated but I wouldn't keep it because you are paying a premium for something that isn't delivering what you're paying for. And probably never will. It's just wasted money that could go toward, RAM or SSD storage or Applecare.

Depends if the cost is a concern, having it in your hands and contemplating ordering one are two different matters. If the latter I'd hold off, but if the former I'd try and make it work, well as long as you have a return period.

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tubeexperience

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I am betting if this CPU is run wide open for any length of time it will throttle. In a notebook there is little Apple could do about it. Most the time the CPU is used in quick spurts but if used in software like final cut it will overheat and throttle. Only thing that could stop it would be like a water cooled system.

How about making the laptop thicker and with a better cooling system?
 

M.Rizk

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I am betting if this CPU is run wide open for any length of time it will throttle. In a notebook there is little Apple could do about it. Most the time the CPU is used in quick spurts but if used in software like final cut it will overheat and throttle. Only thing that could stop it would be like a water cooled system.

Losing the turbo boost is not something I consider as throttling. Going under the advertised base clock (as low as 800 MHz!!!) is.
 

PeterJP

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How about making the laptop thicker and with a better cooling system?
Well, yeah. I propose you buy one, make it thicker and describe how you did that... while keeping the warranty!
Now that we've established that that is not an option, for me, the whole situation just saves me money. I'll ge for the bottom model (2.2GHz, 555X) and upgrade memory and storage from there.
 

tubeexperience

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Well, yeah. I propose you buy one, make it thicker and describe how you did that... while keeping the warranty!
Now that we've established that that is not an option, for me, the whole situation just saves me money. I'll ge for the bottom model (2.2GHz, 555X) and upgrade memory and storage from there.

So, let's see.

Big heat pipes and big fans.
 
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Elektrofone

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Does anyone have an i7 (32GB, 2018) model to compare in After Effects with my i9 model? I'm very curious to see how they compare in everyday use.
 

Newtons Apple

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Losing the turbo boost is not something I consider as throttling. Going under the advertised base clock (as low as 800 MHz!!!) is.

Sorry but you are not going to find a lot of consumer grade hardware that will allow you to run the CPU wide open/boost without it throttling. Will be even hard to find in a laptop!
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How about making the laptop thicker and with a better cooling system?

Sorry but Apple is into thin. So thin a few years ago our phones were bending. I would not mind the MBPro getting thicker but even that would likely not allow you to run the CPU at max for any length of time.
 

KarmaRocket

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I'm not sure playing with fan controls is the best solution. I would be careful running fans higher then what they may have been designed for. If Apple didn't change the heatsink or fans in the 2018 chassis (which seems most likely the case), those fans were designed for much cooler and less powerful processors. Fan failure would make your machine an expensive paperweight.

Maybe Apple can come up with a firmware update that turns the fans on more aggressively, but from the tests we've seen with third party fan control software, it doesn't do much when really stressing the processor. It won't really help it reach it's full potential. Software can only help so much.
 

GrumpyCoder

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I would not mind the MBPro getting thicker but even that would likely not allow you to run the CPU at max for any length of time.
I guess that depends on how thick you make it. One of my colleagues has a (I think Dell) laptop probably around 3" thick, dual GPU, Xeon CPU. The power supply for that thing is the size of an iPad mini, but around 2" thick. The noise level of the fans is horrible and the heat it blows out makes it warm and cozy in the winter (it's a true pain in summer).

For me personally, no thanks. The solution is not to make it thicker, they're fine the way they are. Hopefully the ARM CPUs are not too far off, so manufacturers (not just Apple) can finally make the switch. That's when the problem will be solved. Even if that means I have to fall back to a desktop for heavy number crunching for a while longer or to a cluster for the real heavy work. However, clusters will never go away, no matter how much cooling is put into a laptop/desktop.
 

mr.anthonyramos

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Do you have access to an i7 2018 model? I need someone to benchmark an After Effects test so I can compare render times to an i9.

Sorry just saw this.

My colleague does but will need to install After Effects. Let me see if he’s in the office tomorrow afternoon when I get in.

Either way, I see you’ve posted this around, I was imagining we’d have more people around with the i7 to help you test this.
 
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rubberducker

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Could someone who has a 2018 i7 model with 32GB of RAM run this After Effects Benchmark Test? I'd like to compare a real world test to my 2018 i9. Also, if you could run it from idle and then also run it after the render is done.

mediafire.com/file/qgoacxne6567wxn/AE_Test_2016.zip

I got 6 minutes 49 seconds both times I ran the test back to back

I would also be really interested in this if anyone has the time. Thanks :)
 

Elektrofone

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Sorry just saw this.

My colleague does but will need to install After Effects. Let me see if he’s in the office tomorrow afternoon when I get in.

Either way, I see you’ve posted this around, I was imagining we’d have more people around with the i7 to help you test this.

Me too. I wish I had a line up including the 16GB i7, 32GB i7, and the 32GB i9 to test using After Effects (which is my most used application.) I use Sketch and Illustrator a lot too, but After Effects is the only one that taxes my machine at all so I am curious how the CPUs compare when it comes to render time.
 

mr.anthonyramos

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Me too. I wish I had a line up including the 16GB i7, 32GB i7, and the 32GB i9 to test using After Effects (which is my most used application.) I use Sketch and Illustrator a lot too, but After Effects is the only one that taxes my machine at all so I am curious how the CPUs compare when it comes to render time.

Hoping we get someone to help out soon. If not, let me see what I can do tomorrow.
 

Queen6

macrumors G4
Sorry but you are not going to find a lot of consumer grade hardware that will allow you to run the CPU wide open/boost without it throttling. Will be even hard to find in a laptop!
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Sorry but Apple is into thin. So thin a few years ago our phones were bending. I would not mind the MBPro getting thicker but even that would likely not allow you to run the CPU at max for any length of time.

Totally depends on the design. This is why I switched to gaming notebooks. They have their own drawbacks, equally performance is generally not one of them.
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3 hours full load, crushes everything I throw at it. I really wish Apple would develop a notebook with this level of performance, but we all know the answer already.

Should Asus offer a version with i9, I'll instantly look to get one. Although the 8750H can spike as high as 90C once the cooling solution spools up CPU temperature is pulled down to 70C with an ambient of 25C.

FWIW 8750H, GTX 1070, 32Gb @2666, NVMe & SSHD - performs like a desktop in a 3Kg package...

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Newtons Apple

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Totally depends on the design. This is why I switched to gaming notebooks. They have their own drawbacks, equally performance is generally not one of them.
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3 hours full load, crushes everything I throw at it. I really wish Apple would develop a notebook with this level of performance, but we all know the answer already.

Should Asus offer a version with i9, I'll instantly look to get one. Although the 8750H can spike as high as 90C once the cooling solution spools up CPU temperature is pulled down to 70C with an ambient of 25C.

FWIW 8750H, GTX 1070, 32Gb @2666, NVMe & SSHD - performs like a desktop in a 3Kg package...

Q-6

I am glad my wants are not like yours. Testosterone has much to do with this.

Enjoy!
 
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