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2018 i9 MacBook Pro throttling discussion [merged]
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Yes. Cook and Ive have backed Apple into a corner catering to both Wall Street and Madison Avenue who really know nothing about tech or the real market for high-end mac hardware. They showed their colors with the mac pro already. It's all about selling disposable computers and making iPhone like appliances. Some more crazy observations...
- almost guaranteed upcoming tear downs will reveal these are not upgradable machines. So one would have to be nuts to consider a 2018 16GB versus 32GB, or anything less than a 1TB SSD. All of which make the real base price $3500 instead of $2500+ (why get stuck with a limited fixed configuration out of the box for this price)
- to drive a capable GPU (a must for the power users this is targeting), you'll need something like BlackMagic which adds another $800 minimum
- @ $4500+ you're in souped up iMac or even iMac pro range (which come with built-in 4K or 5k high-end displays oob)
- mobility is not a real concern for creative power users running FCP or Premiere full blast
The saddest thing is, $15B a quarter of pure cash profit per quarter is apparently not enough to engineer the best laptop in the world anymore . Others are building rockets that can land back on floating structures, targeting Mars travel, supersonic trips to Paris, building hyperloops, attempting to cure cancer, feed the hungry or rid us of malaria with their cash. But no, our boys @ infinite loop can no longer design a thermal paste or cool a cpu correctly. And they lie to us about it. The suits are just laughing at us.
Sad. The only sense this makes is humor ...
Something's out of whack in Cupertino...
The ****ed up thing is that actual Apple customers will defend these practices and continue their encouragement of them. It's all so incredibly anti-consumer.Yes. Cook and Ive have backed Apple into a corner catering to both Wall Street and Madison Avenue who really know nothing about tech or the real market for high-end mac hardware. They showed their colors with the mac pro already. It's all about selling disposable computers and making iPhone like appliances. Some more crazy observations...
- almost guaranteed upcoming tear downs will reveal these are not upgradable machines. So one would have to be nuts to consider a 2018 16GB versus 32GB, or anything less than a 1TB SSD. All of which make the real base price $3500 instead of $2500+ (why get stuck with a limited fixed configuration out of the box for this price)
- to drive a capable GPU (a must for the power users this is targeting), you'll need something like BlackMagic which adds another $800 minimum
- @ $4500+ you're in souped up iMac or even iMac pro range (which come with built-in 4K or 5k high-end displays oob)
- mobility is not a real concern for creative power users running FCP or Premiere full blast
The saddest thing is, $15B a quarter of pure cash profit per quarter is apparently not enough to engineer the best laptop in the world anymore . Others are building rockets that can land back on floating structures, targeting Mars travel, supersonic trips to Paris, building hyperloops, attempting to cure cancer, feed the hungry or rid us of malaria with their cash. But no, our boys @ infinite loop can no longer design a thermal paste or cool a cpu correctly. And they lie to us about it. The suits are just laughing at us.
Sad. The only sense this makes is humor ...
Something's out of whack in Cupertino...
This is strange. I'd like to see the accompanying temperatures as well as CPU utilisation. It almost seems to me like the CPU is idling since its not doing any work. Which would kind of make sense if all one does is play a video...
Yes. Cook and Ive have backed Apple into a corner catering to both Wall Street and Madison Avenue who really know nothing about tech or the real market for high-end mac hardware. They showed their colors with the mac pro already. It's all about selling disposable computers and making iPhone like appliances. Some more crazy observations...
- almost guaranteed upcoming tear downs will reveal these are not upgradable machines. So one would have to be nuts to consider a 2018 16GB versus 32GB, or anything less than a 1TB SSD. All of which make the real base price $3500 instead of $2500+ (why get stuck with a limited fixed configuration out of the box for this price)
- to drive a capable GPU (a must for the power users this is targeting), you'll need something like BlackMagic which adds another $800 minimum
- @ $4500+ you're in souped up iMac or even iMac pro range (which come with built-in 4K or 5k high-end displays oob)
- mobility is not a real concern for creative power users running FCP or Premiere full blast
The saddest thing is, $15B a quarter of pure cash profit per quarter is apparently not enough to engineer the best laptop in the world anymore . Others are building rockets that can land back on floating structures, targeting Mars travel, supersonic trips to Paris, building hyperloops, attempting to cure cancer, feed the hungry or rid us of malaria with their cash. But no, our boys @ infinite loop can no longer design a thermal paste or cool a cpu correctly. And they lie to us about it. The suits are just laughing at us.
Sad. The only sense this makes is humor ...
Something's out of whack in Cupertino...
Powerful post. All TRUE.
Actually there are plenty out there who are blinded by their love of Apple and plenty of people like myself who do love Apple BUT want these issues to come out and for Apple to fix them and do something about them because well, I love Apple and if it’s gonna go down in a ditch, I’m not gonna go down with it. I would rather we voice our concerns and as I said hope that Apple does something about it.
So, to those who love Apple, let’s make sure they hear us and let them prove that they are still the same company renouned for their care for the customer and fix these issues rather than simply be blinded and say, “what problem?” This is how we should precieve these issues and handle them.
On the other hand, I’ve noticed in the forums that we do have Apple haters who too are blinded by their “joy” at an Apple product possibly failing. I’d say ignore them unless they actually have something to contribute.
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Good points but I fear it will fall on deaf ears at apple. They don't care about macs and haven't for years. Look at mac pro, or mac mini. It's about money and those two products did not get them the dollars they want. 2012 mac pro had people loving the machine and although they bought them, they kept them for years. I still have mine and it's a beast still to this day. Apple wants you to upgrade every couple years and they know if they make disposable machines that is what you will have to do. They have done it in phases. First with the sealed batteries, then the soldered ram and now with the soldered HD and the non replaceable keyboards. Nothing in the new macbook pro is fixable or upgrade-able and maybe it's the last straw for folks. There is no rational to buy a new mac anymore. They are hobbled from the factory at this point. Only way they can salvage this mess is to go back to their roots and offer upgrade-able machines that people love and covet again but it's turning out for a lot of us that we are seeing apple not as a computer company anymore but simply a cellphone manufacturer that makes a computer also.
I thought I'd share this, if anyone finds this extra data useful.
It's from my 3 year old 2015 Macbook Pro 15" 2.5ghz quad core. CPU stressed by running 10x instances of the terminal yes command (not sure if this produces the most stress possible, but it created 99% CPU utilization).
Left image is from idle to starting all the yes processes, and right image is what things looked like 5 minutes later. Test done with the laptop shut in clamshell mode driving an external monitor, and ambient room temps of 22c/72f.
As you can see the machine still manages to stay 0.2ghz above the base speed after 5 minutes. And this is a 3 year old machine that I haven't opened to remove dust for at least a year now.
I was about to jump on one of the new 15 inches, as those 6 cores would be so useful for dev compile times... I may still get the 2.2ghz, but def going to wait and see now :/
It's from my 3 year old 2015 Macbook Pro 15" 2.5ghz quad core. CPU stressed by running 10x instances of the terminal yes command (not sure if this produces the most stress possible, but it created 99% CPU utilization).
Left image is from idle to starting all the yes processes, and right image is what things looked like 5 minutes later. Test done with the laptop shut in clamshell mode driving an external monitor, and ambient room temps of 22c/72f.
As you can see the machine still manages to stay 0.2ghz above the base speed after 5 minutes. And this is a 3 year old machine that I haven't opened to remove dust for at least a year now.
I was about to jump on one of the new 15 inches, as those 6 cores would be so useful for dev compile times... I may still get the 2.2ghz, but def going to wait and see now :/
Cancel it, why keep a device that is not fully functional. For this amount of price you expect to have a really good working device, but you don't get it that way. I also cancelled it and will wait for an improved model. Keep my MacBook Pro Late 2013..
note, see edit
So I wanted to see how my 2017 2.9GHz i7 did, having never use AE for anything the settings were just out of the box. I did 5 runs of the Benchmark file and the results is going to disappoint those i9 people out there...
The fastest time were 5 min and 16 sec, slowest 5min and 23 sec (see edit as this is questionable). The CPU were able to keep a boost on near 3.50GHz constantly with temperatures fluctuating between 90 and 95 Celsius.
I did at no point hit a my 16GB RAM limit according to AE
Note, a few background processes were running, not a big effect. but I had forgotten I had a safari open in another desktop window...
EDIT; So I realised that i had not purged the memory of AE after the first test just to see what I was all about, I did how ever command Q AE thinking that would remove all resources used in the render. So I did a new run of 5 after purging the Memory & Disk Cache and here they came out to 8 min 45 sec +/-2 sec, just to see if the previous consecutive renders would have an impact to a 6th render I did that, it completed 4 min and 32 sec, so consider my first run flawed
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Decoding is probably handled by t.2 chip, or gpu, thus cpu doesn’t have to do anything.
[doublepost=1532080969][/doublepost]Its clear, if you want an 2018 15" Mbp that is an real upgrade, you have to come from a pre 2016 models and buy the i7 base or at max, the 2.6 ghz, and to keep thermals as low as possible maybe even the 555X instead of 560X now that has 4 gb vRam but lower speeds
[doublepost=1532080969][/doublepost]Its clear, if you want an 2018 15" Mbp that is an real upgrade, you have to come from a pre 2016 models and buy the i7 base or at max, the 2.6 ghz, and to keep thermals as low as possible maybe even the 555X instead of 560X now that has 4 gb vRam but lower speeds
Have Apple pulled this model? Can’t see it listed on their website any more. Just shows Intel Core i7 as the ‘new’ ones?
Here is another video. Disappointing with the speed difference aside from the final few tests where we finally see some significant difference. Looking forward to his comparison of the base 15 inch.
One interesting thing to note is how he says the fans are blasting on the other two machines but on the i9 it seems to go on and off and not really blast as often during the tests.
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You have to go into click to purchase then customize it to he i9.
The poster meant the base model i7 MBP of whatever year, the standard config before any potential upgrades to the processor or RAM or whatever are potentially applied, the cheapest "stock configuration" model with the given processor.
At least that's how I read it.
What about people who don't love a company but just buy and use whatever suits there needs?
Can we change the title to say "MacCook Pro" please?
So I wanted to see how my 2017 2.9GHz i7 did, having never use AE for anything the settings were just out of the box. I did 5 runs of the Benchmark file and the results is going to disappoint those i9 people out there...
The fastest time were 5 min and 16 sec, slowest 5min and 23 sec. The CPU were able to keep a boost on near 3.50GHz constantly with temperatures fluctuating between 90 and 95 Celsius.
I did at no point hit a my 16GB RAM limit according to AE
Note, a few background processes were running, not a big effect. but I had forgotten I had a safari open in another desktop window...
here is the test I did on my i9/32gb config. I did two tests, the first one is with the fans set to 65-73 using MAC fan control. finished in 4min 26 sec
the second test, the fans were on the Mac default auto. I had safari running in the background with like 10 tabs open as well.
