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mrmachine79

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I'm a programmer too, so your situation is intriguing. what eGPU and card did you go for?

Another factor for me is the fact that I may be moving in a few months, in a "what I can take with me on a plane trip" fashion. That being said, I'm loathe to add another big piece of gear to my bags, which are already packed to bursting. But I'll be in Kenya after the move, and so I'd rather take advantage of the readily-accessible things that I can while I'm in the States.
I got a Sapphire Pulse RX 5500 XT 4GB. It's one of the cheapest current generation (7nm Navi) cards and a review (below) said it was relatively quiet even under load, and the fans don't spin up at all under light usage. And like I said, all I need GPU for is to drive the display and basic stuff like video conferencing. I'm a programmer and don't do graphics or 3D work.


I put it in a Razer Core X Chroma. The Razer Core X and Chroma take the #1 and #2 spots on the eGPU.io enclosures list, looks nice, is easy to access the internals, provides 100W PD which the 16" MBP needs to avoid battery drain, etc. I got the Chroma version because I have a USB SSD for backups, wireless charging matt, and lightning/micro-USB cables to periodically connect various devices, and the Chroma has 4x USB ports. People say the ethernet doesn't work reliably and prefer the cheaper Razer Core X version, but I don't use the ethernet port.

The Razer Core X Chroma solved the thermal and resulting performance/heat/noise issues inside the MBP by dropping Radeon High Side down to 5W (same as if I was using the internal display only), or 0W if I disable the dGPU entirely.

The MBP noise level was mildly annoying at times, but I never really gave it any thought until I finally got fed up with the crippling 800MHz and 1000% kernel_task performance issues (on my 2019 15" MBP) which became more apparent with more/longer video conference meetings because of covid19. But if fan noise is one of your major gripes, the Razer Core X Chroma was still easily audible at all times because of the 60mm PSU fan. Probably equivalent to the MBP at 3000 RPM, but at a lower pitch. I swapped it out for a Noctua PSU fan that I think was equivalent to the MBP at 2500 RPM.

But my Razer Core X Chroma died after 4 months usage. Every time I turn it on, the PSU sparks and trips the house circuit breaker. So now I'm waiting for a new eGPU and this time I am going to try the new Mantiz MZ-03 Saturn Pro (v2).

According to this review (below), it appears to be equal or better than the Razer Core X Chroma in every way, for the price of the Razer Core X. It has 5 USB ports, ethernet, SD card reader, internal 2.5" mount points and SATA III interface. Similar "slide-out" mechanism to access the internals. And best of all, the PSU has a 120mm fan (up from 60mm) that should be less noisy out of the box, plus a fan-off mode for light usage.


Both of these eGPU options are BIG and HEAVY, though. 5.7KG for the Mantiz and 6.91KG for the Razer Core X Chroma. And both come with a relatively short 70cm TB3 cable. You might want to locate the box out of sight under the desk, with a 1M or 2M TB3 cable.
 

IceStormNG

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Just a question where we're at eGPUs. Are there any enclosures that do NOT supply PD? I have a TB3 Dock that already supplies 100W of PD. I don't need another one as a) Macs can only use one Power source and b) it's not recommended to connect two power sources.
 

mrmachine79

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Just a question where we're at eGPUs. Are there any enclosures that do NOT supply PD? I have a TB3 Dock that already supplies 100W of PD. I don't need another one as a) Macs can only use one Power source and b) it's not recommended to connect two power sources.
Connecting two power sources is fine. The MBP will just use the highest power source available. But you won't be able to daisy chain your existing TB3 dock and an eGPU. You'll need to connect both directly. And depending what you're actually using the dock for, you might be able to just get rid of the dock and get an eGPU with additional IO ports to act as power + dock + eGPU.

I also had a TB3 dock already but got rid of it when I got my eGPU which also had USB ports.
 

IceStormNG

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My one also not. Without an external monitor it's very silent even under medium load with short bursts to full load. Only if you run on higher load (like exporting from Final Cut/Compressor, compressing large files,...) for longer time the fans spin up.

I'm actually quite impressed how silent it is during most of my tasks (like running IDEs, iOS simulator, Android Studio with Emulator). The fans only spin up every now and then to 50% or so, and then go back to idle.

But... connect an external monitor to that thing and it will transform into a jet engine
 
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kyds3k

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I got a Sapphire Pulse RX 5500 XT 4GB. It's one of the cheapest current generation (7nm Navi) cards and a review (below) said it was relatively quiet even under load, and the fans don't spin up at all under light usage. And like I said, all I need GPU for is to drive the display and basic stuff like video conferencing. I'm a programmer and don't do graphics or 3D work.


I put it in a Razer Core X Chroma. The Razer Core X and Chroma take the #1 and #2 spots on the eGPU.io enclosures list, looks nice, is easy to access the internals, provides 100W PD which the 16" MBP needs to avoid battery drain, etc. I got the Chroma version because I have a USB SSD for backups, wireless charging matt, and lightning/micro-USB cables to periodically connect various devices, and the Chroma has 4x USB ports. People say the ethernet doesn't work reliably and prefer the cheaper Razer Core X version, but I don't use the ethernet port.

The Razer Core X Chroma solved the thermal and resulting performance/heat/noise issues inside the MBP by dropping Radeon High Side down to 5W (same as if I was using the internal display only), or 0W if I disable the dGPU entirely.

The MBP noise level was mildly annoying at times, but I never really gave it any thought until I finally got fed up with the crippling 800MHz and 1000% kernel_task performance issues (on my 2019 15" MBP) which became more apparent with more/longer video conference meetings because of covid19. But if fan noise is one of your major gripes, the Razer Core X Chroma was still easily audible at all times because of the 60mm PSU fan. Probably equivalent to the MBP at 3000 RPM, but at a lower pitch. I swapped it out for a Noctua PSU fan that I think was equivalent to the MBP at 2500 RPM.

But my Razer Core X Chroma died after 4 months usage. Every time I turn it on, the PSU sparks and trips the house circuit breaker. So now I'm waiting for a new eGPU and this time I am going to try the new Mantiz MZ-03 Saturn Pro (v2).

According to this review (below), it appears to be equal or better than the Razer Core X Chroma in every way, for the price of the Razer Core X. It has 5 USB ports, ethernet, SD card reader, internal 2.5" mount points and SATA III interface. Similar "slide-out" mechanism to access the internals. And best of all, the PSU has a 120mm fan (up from 60mm) that should be less noisy out of the box, plus a fan-off mode for light usage.


Both of these eGPU options are BIG and HEAVY, though. 5.7KG for the Mantiz and 6.91KG for the Razer Core X Chroma. And both come with a relatively short 70cm TB3 cable. You might want to locate the box out of sight under the desk, with a 1M or 2M TB3 cable.

Thanks for the info! I feel like I keep remembering circumstances - another thing is that I'm reliant on voltage convertors and an old-school UPS back in Kenya. So adding another power-sucking device to the mix will probably end in tears. I'm probably just going to have to suck it up and wait for Apple to do something, or hope that the 5600 option ends up working. But I will take note of those eGPU options for the future!
 

DesertNomad

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Yes. That scenario does not have the external tb3 display driven by the eGPU and so the dGPU will still be active and consuming 19W.

If you want to use a tb3 display and lid open and avoid 19W dGPU power draw you need to use black magic eGPU.

If you want to run two tb3 displays you are out of luck. Or, maybe you could run two black magic eGPUs? I'd rather just replace the second tb3 display with a display port monitor, though.

I have a 27" LED Cinema Display too on a different Mac. It has the miniDisplayPort connector. How would this hook to the eGPU. Is there some sort of adapter to connect it? The Black Magic eGPU only has TB3 (all full with an XDR and Mac) and HDMI. I don't see any way to connect an LED Cinema Display to HDMI.
 
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DesertNomad

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I'm a programmer too, so your situation is intriguing. what eGPU and card did you go for?

Another factor for me is the fact that I may be moving in a few months, in a "what I can take with me on a plane trip" fashion. That being said, I'm loathe to add another big piece of gear to my bags, which are already packed to bursting. But I'll be in Kenya after the move, and so I'd rather take advantage of the readily-accessible things that I can while I'm in the States.

Get what you can in the US. In 2002 I moved from the US to the Republic of Georgia, then Czech Republic and UAE. Only in the UAE was I really able to get most anything. From Kenya if you really need stuff, a flight to Dubai is probably your best option.
 

Grohowiak

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Oh man, this sudo pmset -a gpuswitch 0 really nailed the system to how it should be.
internal + eGPU - 2x external. Xcode + 3 apps + safari 9 tabs total across 3 screens & video running on internal.
Loving it!

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DesertNomad

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Oh man, this sudo pmset -a gpuswitch 0 really nailed the system to how it should be.
internal + eGPU - 2x external. Xcode + 3 apps + safari 9 tabs total across 3 screens & video running on internal.
Loving it!

Which eGPU are you using? I am considering the Black Magic (though I have a 5600M coming tomorrow). However, the BM eGPU will not support both my XDR and 27" Thunderbolt (or an LED Cinema Display in lieu of the Thunderbolt Display).
 

ght56

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Since you have two QHD monitors to drive (plus internal), an eGPU will give you the best performance (with say the RX580 card). DisplayLink has some performance issues with higher scaled resolutions, if you want to use that. It's what I'd do for the best thermals on the machine. It's a bit of an expense but better long term.

Well, an eGPU will probably be the same price as trading in my 5500M for a 5600M model, so I guess I can consider this a long term investment. Would you consider the Sonnet Breakaway 650W or Razer Core X to be a better enclosure for an external GPU? If I ever wanted to push dual 4k displays, would the RX580 be appropriate, or would a Radeon RX 5700 be more appropriate?
 

mrmachine79

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Well, an eGPU will probably be the same price as trading in my 5500M for a 5600M model, so I guess I can consider this a long term investment. Would you consider the Sonnet Breakaway 650W or Razer Core X to be a better enclosure for an external GPU? If I ever wanted to push dual 4k displays, would the RX580 be appropriate, or would a Radeon RX 5700 be more appropriate?
Just to drive the displays you don't need a super graphics card. Pretty much anything from the Apple supported list will do. Get what's cheapest and quietest. Sapphire pulse Rx 5500 xt is current gen and quiet (fans off at light usage). You only need a beefy graphics card if you are actually doing intensive graphics work or gaming.
 

BacioiuC

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Before this reaches page 160, was there a solution for this ever found? Trying to choose between a top spec 13" and a entry level 16" that needs to be connected to a screen (GFX capabilities not that important). 16 being hot and noisy when plugged into a display is a killer for me.
 

IceStormNG

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Before this reaches page 160, was there a solution for this ever found? Trying to choose between a top spec 13" and a entry level 16" that needs to be connected to a screen (GFX capabilities not that important). 16 being hot and noisy when plugged into a display is a killer for me.

There are some (or not).
  1. Don't use external displays (ahaha)
  2. Use an eGPU.
  3. DisplayLink Docks could be a solution, too. But that needs more testing. It also has other disadvantages. (higher CPU load)
  4. The 5600M is way less affected, but still has the same behavior (running VRAM on full clock for nothing). for some it fixes it, and for some it's as bad as the 5300M/5500M.

If you don't need the GPU (and also CPU) power of the 16" and you're fine with the smaller screen, then by all means: go for the 13".
 
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Grohowiak

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Why not use OWC Mercury Helios FX 650 that comes with a silent fan already?

1. I got it used for dirt cheap.
2. It has amazing reputation and even new + fan upgrade is cheaper than the helios.
3. to back #2 - https://egpu.io/best-egpu-buyers-guide/ I trust those guys more than anybody else when it comes to eGPUs.

But it was #1 that sealed the deal lol. I didn't even consider buying one till I found the offer.
 
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ght56

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Just to drive the displays you don't need a super graphics card. Pretty much anything from the Apple supported list will do. Get what's cheapest and quietest. Sapphire pulse Rx 5500 xt is current gen and quiet (fans off at light usage). You only need a beefy graphics card if you are actually doing intensive graphics work or gaming.

I do not see the 5500 on the list of Apple supported cards...I only see the 5700. Am I looking in the wrong place?
 

Kogut

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Something funny to tell .. ? I ran music app in full screen mode with image from playlist, on latest Catalina version and noticed higher temps so I check and radeon watt usage was 12W ? with only internal screen. This is crazy, I have no words for this
 

thedocbwarren

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GPUs can be used for more than just paint the display. Likely using for extra processing.

Something funny to tell .. ? I ran music app in full screen mode with image from playlist, on latest Catalina version and noticed higher temps so I check and radeon watt usage was 12W ? with only internal screen. This is crazy, I have no words for this
 
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