2020 Air Heatsink Modification Thread

[destroyedreason]

Would a cooling pad work for people having issues with heat? I assume that’s why cooling pads are made? I see great reviews for some cooling pads on Amazon from people that seem to have a wide range of needs whether gaming or other more intense things.

This one has over 10,000 positive reviews unless all these people are lying or are fake. (Obviously this is too large for MacBook Air just and example.)

havit HV-F2056 15.6"-17" Laptop Cooler Cooling Pad - Slim Portable USB Powered (3 Fans), Black/Blue https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NNMB3KS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_RoMNEbCH77AZT

I have virtually no knowledge of heat/cooling management in computers other than many have fans and hardcore people have or used to have liquid cooled desktops.

 

[KPOM]

I didn't expect the 2020 MBA to perform at "Pro" levels (whatever that means, seems arbitrary), I was just hoping it would perform around the same if not better than my machine from the same product line that's over a half decade old but unfortunately it just doesn't. Too bad.

I had the 2013 MacBook Air, and don't think that the 2020 Air perform worse. What exactly did you try running on it? I have run Windows 10 on a virtual machine, and it is fine. It seems your complaints are primarily around the CPU temperature and battery life. I haven't had it long enough to observe the battery life (particularly since I'm not traveling right now), but the CPU temperature doesn't translate into a hot chassis. I have only noticed the fans when running something CPU-intensive, such as running a Windows Update in Parallels.

In any case, the 13" Pro is coming soon, along with the upgraded keyboard and presumably a boost in base storage, so that may be better suited for you while not being that much more expensive.

 

[RiaKoobcam]

I had the 2013 MacBook Air, and don't think that the 2020 Air perform worse. What exactly did you try running on it? I have run Windows 10 on a virtual machine, and it is fine. It seems your complaints are primarily around the CPU temperature and battery life. I haven't had it long enough to observe the battery life (particularly since I'm not traveling right now), but the CPU temperature doesn't translate into a hot chassis. I have only noticed the fans when running something CPU-intensive, such as running a Windows Update in Parallels.

In any case, the 13" Pro is coming soon, along with the upgraded keyboard and presumably a boost in base storage, so that may be better suited for you while not being that much more expensive.

Hey KPOM, thanks again for helping me with the return process.

I can't answer for Krinkles, but I had the 2015 and the 2019, and whilst the 2020 definitely didn't perform worse at any task, it was noticeably hotter and louder, primarily for browsing (Brave - have to use it for work primarily) and video calls (lockdown). Thermals were actually better on Windows 10, but not so much better that the fans/heat were unnoticeable to me or people I was on video calls with after five minutes where the fan would hit 8000RPM. For comparison, it took the 2019 an hour for the fan to ramp up to 5000RPM.

In my case (no pun intended), compared to the 2015 and 2019, daily tasks on the 2020 i5 did translate to a hotter chassis. I didn't use an IR thermometer or anything, but it was uncomfortable to use on my lap, and that was not something I ever noticed with the 2015 and 2019. This wasn't hindsight bias - I used the 2015 and 2019 to compare during the week I had the 2020 i5 and their chips idled at around 38-43c compared to the 2020's 58-62c, and I couldn't notice any heat transfer through the chassis to my lap.

With the 2020 model, I could actually feel a very warm square where the heat sink was (I later learned), which made me go back to using it on a desk after about half an hour. Initially I thought this was indexing/synching, or I was doing something wrong, but after a week of use where the other two machines didn't exhibit any of this behaviour, that's when I gave up and sent it back.

Still hopefuly the i3 might run as cool as the 2019 model, though, we'll see!

 

[ctjack]

Would a cooling pad work for people having issues with heat? I assume that’s why cooling pads are made? I see great reviews for some cooling pads on Amazon from people that seem to have a wide range of needs whether gaming or other more intense things.

The reason it works for most of the people is pretty much straightforward. Most Windows PCs do have air intake holes right on the bottom case. So this holes often sit at 1-5 mm above the table. So cooling pad addresses 2 main profits for it:
1) It just lifts up the bottom case far from the table, so the laptop fan can grab more fresh air. You can imitate this by yourself by putting something under your laptop.
2) If it is active pad, then it grabs additional fresh air to the bottom, which has air intake holes.
So this works and has logical reasons for it.

And Mac laptops don't have air intake hole on the bottom case. Instead they draw an air from both sides, there is a hole under usb ports. So cooling pad won't have an effect on that and pretty much useless for Apple users.

 

[raymanh]

1. I was talking about actual racing, like Nascar. No it would not be fine. It is still a fine car. In other words the wrong tool for that type of race.

2. Yes a non-Pro product is aiming to please the non-Pro user. These computers are made for the masses so they are aimed to please the masses as far as non-Pro users go. I am an average user and I frequent this forum about my laptop so you are wrong there also. There is far more satisfied users here as well.

3. It was designed to allow for your average non-Pro user to achieve their workload on a daily basis which it does. If your needs are above a non-Pro level, thus reaching a Pro level they have this laptop called a MacBook Pro.

Apple phones and computers are made for the masses. BMWs are made for the masses. Both are expensive but they are what they are. You don't make massive amounts of revenue without appealing to the masses. Apple sold 2.8 million laptops. Hint: That is for the masses.

Not pointless analogy. Of course you think it is pointless because it proves your point wrong.

Sorry but I still disagree. Apple and BMW are both clearly luxury brands. In 2018 Apple sold 18 million computers. HP sold nearly 70 million. Lenovo similar. Those are for the masses. Apple isn't.

I assume you're not addressing my other points because it proves you're wrong then.

It's as simple as this.

The design is not "spot on". The fan is louder than before, as verified by notebookcheck's review where they measure the fan noise and compared it to previous models. I believe this more than anecdotal observations from users here. The CPU hits 100°C more regularly than before as verified by many reviews.

If you're describing "spot on" to mean it's perfect of the average users needs, then I guess it is. They've successfully distanced it from the Pro, more so than previous years. As one user here pointed out the 2015 Air could be spec'd to very nearly match the 2015 Pro in terms of CPU performance. The average user will not care about CPU temps (but perhaps higher fan noise isn't great) nor subpar sustained performance.

 

[agaskew]

The reason it works for most of the people is pretty much straightforward. Most Windows PCs do have air intake holes right on the bottom case. So this holes often sit at 1-5 mm above the table. So cooling pad addresses 2 main profits for it:
1) It just lifts up the bottom case far from the table, so the laptop fan can grab more fresh air. You can imitate this by yourself by putting something under your laptop.
2) If it is active pad, then it grabs additional fresh air to the bottom, which has air intake holes.
So this works and has logical reasons for it.

And Mac laptops don't have air intake hole on the bottom case. Instead they draw an air from both sides, there is a hole under usb ports. So cooling pad won't have an effect on that and pretty much useless for Apple users.

What are you on about? There are all sorts of cooling pad designs and all sorts of laptop designs. There are plenty that can help with cooling Apple laptops.

 

[RiaKoobcam]

Sorry but I still disagree. Apple and BMW are both clearly luxury brands. In 2018 Apple sold 18 million computers. HP sold nearly 70 million. Lenovo similar. Those are for the masses. Apple isn't.

I assume you're not addressing my other points because it proves you're wrong then.

It's as simple as this.

The design is not "spot on". The fan is louder than before, as verified by notebookcheck's review where they measure the fan noise and compared it to previous models. I believe this more than anecdotal observations from users here. The CPU hits 100°C more regularly than before as verified by many reviews.

If you're describing "spot on" to mean it's perfect of the average users needs, then I guess it is. They've successfully distanced it from the Pro, more so than previous years. As one user here pointed out the 2015 Air could be spec'd to very nearly match the 2015 Pro in terms of CPU performance. The average user will not care about CPU temps (but perhaps higher fan noise isn't great) nor subpar sustained performance.

Raymanh, here's a saying my dad used to have: 'Before using your time and energy on a debate, ask yourself if the person you're arguing with is likely to change their mind if presented with new information. You must also ask yourself the same question. If the answer is no, it's not a debate, it's two monologues in different sound booths.'

I tried with this guy, but his entire line seems to be "I am happy, lots of people are happy, therefore there is no problem." Engineering degree or not, fluid dynamics designer or not, the (now 33) pages of this thread, the many posts on reddit, and other subjective experiences posted indicate that some customers find the 2020 MBA to be too hot and too loud.

Notebookcheck's review, as you've quoted, proves as much as is possible that the i5 model is objectively hotter and louder than previous models and competitors, doing the same tasks. I'd recommend that review to anyone looking for a data-based comparison: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple...oc-emissions-the-macbook-air-is-just-too-loud


As the Notebookcheck review says:

The MacBook Air is usually silent while idling or light workloads like web browsing with a few tabs. We usually saw around 2700 rpm with an external monitor and light multi-tasking (e.g. YouTube video and web browsing), where the notebook is still not audible from a normal working distance. Even light picture editing via Affinity Photo (JPG) is possible without activity of the fan.

When you start to stress the processor or even the graphics card though, the fan will speed up to its maximum 8100 rpm and loud 45.8 dB(A) within a couple of minutes. In addition to a comparatively slow device, you also have to live with a loud device and a chip temperature of 100 °C (212 °F).

Wanna know the reason why I didn't start posting when I got my 2015 MBA, or my 2019 MBA? There was nothing to post about. It did exactly what it said it would do and there was nothing that made me Google 'is this normal?' or 'why are my balls getting so hot?' Cool, quiet running was the reason I bought Macbook Airs over Windows laptops. Seems like I'm not alone in this, or crazy for thinking that there's something different in the 2020 that makes it annoying and uncomfortable compared to previous years.

Honestly, what matters is whether the consumer is happy with the product they paid $1000+ for. The guy you're arguing with's opinion doesn't matter, cause he isn't you. My opinion doesn't matter, cause I'm not you. If he and many others are happy with their 2020 MBA's heat and noise, cool. I wasn't, you're not, and it seems like other people are in a similar situation.

 

[ctjack]

What are you on about? There are all sorts of cooling pad designs and all sorts of laptop designs. There are plenty that can help with cooling Apple laptops.

Do you have an example of cooling pad effect on Apple laptop?

 

[srkirt]

Jajajaja!!! I'm going to do performance and temp tests.

 

[Bolanders]

Sorry but I still disagree. Apple and BMW are both clearly luxury brands. In 2018 Apple sold 18 million computers. HP sold nearly 70 million. Lenovo similar. Those are for the masses. Apple isn't.

I assume you're not addressing my other points because it proves you're wrong then.

It's as simple as this.

The design is not "spot on". The fan is louder than before, as verified by notebookcheck's review where they measure the fan noise and compared it to previous models. I believe this more than anecdotal observations from users here. The CPU hits 100°C more regularly than before as verified by many reviews.

If you're describing "spot on" to mean it's perfect of the average users needs, then I guess it is. They've successfully distanced it from the Pro, more so than previous years. As one user here pointed out the 2015 Air could be spec'd to very nearly match the 2015 Pro in terms of CPU performance. The average user will not care about CPU temps (but perhaps higher fan noise isn't great) nor subpar sustained performance.

I did address them as they were faulty and yeah HP and Apple are made for the masses. My fan is not louder than before. In fact it comes on less. As someone else pointed out you can go to the Best Buy site and read the reviews by the masses so to speak. My expectation is that the current Air would approach levels of a prior Pro. Makes total sense. Again you are just wrong. Sorry.

Amazon - 50+ rating 4.5 stars+ out of 5
Best Buy - 60+ ratings - 4.75 stars out of 5, i5-20 or so ratings at 4.5 stars

But this thing isn't made for the masses and isn't very good. Thanks for the laugh.

ETA; Prior MacBook Air on Best Buy site 10,723 ratings, but you think this thing isn't made for the masses? Again thanks for the laugh.
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Raymanh, here's a saying my dad used to have: 'Before using your time and energy on a debate, ask yourself if the person you're arguing with is likely to change their mind if presented with new information. You must also ask yourself the same question. If the answer is no, it's not a debate, it's two monologues in different sound booths.'

I tried with this guy, but his entire line seems to be "I am happy, lots of people are happy, therefore there is no problem." Engineering degree or not, fluid dynamics designer or not, the (now 33) pages of this thread, the many posts on reddit, and other subjective experiences posted indicate that some customers find the 2020 MBA to be too hot and too loud.

Notebookcheck's review, as you've quoted, proves as much as is possible that the i5 model is objectively hotter and louder than previous models and competitors, doing the same tasks. I'd recommend that review to anyone looking for a data-based comparison: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple...oc-emissions-the-macbook-air-is-just-too-loud


As the Notebookcheck review says:




Wanna know the reason why I didn't start posting when I got my 2015 MBA, or my 2019 MBA? There was nothing to post about. It did exactly what it said it would do and there was nothing that made me Google 'is this normal?' or 'why are my balls getting so hot?' Cool, quiet running was the reason I bought Macbook Airs over Windows laptops. Seems like I'm not alone in this, or crazy for thinking that there's something different in the 2020 that makes it annoying and uncomfortable compared to previous years.

Honestly, what matters is whether the consumer is happy with the product they paid $1000+ for. The guy you're arguing with's opinion doesn't matter, cause he isn't you. My opinion doesn't matter, cause I'm not you. If he and many others are happy with their 2020 MBA's heat and noise, cool. I wasn't, you're not, and it seems like other people are in a similar situation.

For the umpteenth time no one said that this thing is perfect for you or everyone. I don't know how many times people can tell you but it isn't the right product for you. It isn't faulty anymore than Product X that does not first your needs isn't faulty. Again I have asked you to quote where I said this thing is perfect for you or that you don't need a Pro machine. You can't find it because it never happened. Instead we get to hear you and others incessant whining about it instead of just saying it isn't the right product for me an whining about how Apple messed up. No they didn't because as you can see from Amazon and Best Buy the masses rate this thing with extremely high ratings which means their target market of the masses that do things like I do and below, this thing is working as advertised and flawlessly.

You few can't seem to grasp that no one said your opinion about this product being a bad fit for you is wrong. I have yet to see one person say that. What we have said is that this design is on purpose for a specific segment of the market and if you are above that segment then there is a solution for you, but your opinion that the design is faulty simply isn't so.

 

[RiaKoobcam]

For the umpteenth time no one said that this thing is perfect for you or everyone. I don't know how many times people can tell you but it isn't the right product for you.

From my review in the user review thread:

For me, again, subjectively, I don't think this laptop is for me. Maaaybe the i3 would be the right decision (and if the Apple stores were open, I'd return this machine to test it out) because the keyboard on this honestly is a very big upgrade, but for the things I use a Macbook Air for, the i5 is not performing well at all - and I doubt that'll be improved over the coming weeks, unless the thermal paste needs to set or something weird.

Other posts of mine in this thread:

When the MBA lost its cool and quiet by default status, that's when I sent it back. When people started saying 'hey, maybe you should disable turbo boost when you don't need it', that's when I thought 'this is no longer the product for me and it's not worth my money and time modifying.'

Aaand again:

I am NOT a Pro user by any stretch, and the i5 struggled to maintain an acceptable internal/external temperature (for me) and fan noise limit (for me) when directly compared to the previous year's model. There's a middle ground here - it's possible to admit that something isn't terrible, but also isn't amazing and without fault.

Some people might not care about the issues I encountered with my i5, but those people are very welcome to hang on to their laptop. I returned mine, because owning a product and being satisfied with it are subjective things, not absolute like Newton's laws as we undertand them.

Aaaaaaaand again!

Honestly, what matters is whether the consumer is happy with the product they paid $1000+ for. The guy you're arguing with's opinion doesn't matter, cause he isn't you. My opinion doesn't matter, cause I'm not you. If he and many others are happy with their 2020 MBA's heat and noise, cool. I wasn't, you're not, and it seems like other people are in a similar situation.

My 'incessant whining' is to try and give context for other people, like me, who were expecting the MacBook Air 2020 to be pretty much the same as the 2019, but faster. That wasn't my experience. I can't make any comments on the design being faulty - I'm not an engineer, it seems like it's working like it's supposed to. But the way it's supposed to work isn't something that I found tolerable, so I sent it back. So have others. Others still are trying to rectify this (we have crazy, brave Spaniards coming up with their own heat sink modifications, which I think is pretty cool).

It would have been helpful for me to have this information before I bought it, and if my experience of 'I tried it with very light usage for a week, the heat and fan noise was annoying, so I returned it' helps someone else make up their mind one way or another, that's the kind of info I was looking for pre-purchase. The user reviews thread really helped me out, and it's why I'm waiting on an i3 model to see if that works for me.

You keep telling people who find the heat and noise of the new Macbook Air to buy a Macbook Pro. Why must it be necessary to spend hundreds of extra dollars when you're not doing a professional workload? Why are you fixated with making judgements on what's a 'Pro' workload and what's not? Why are you here? What have you got to gain from being so belligerent and dismissive of people who are trying to troubleshoot and talk through issues with a computer they bought?

You assert that 'this thing is working as advertised and flawlessly'. Why is this thread so long? Why all these posts?

 

[Bolanders]

From my review in the user review thread:



Other posts of mine in this thread:



Aaand again:



Aaaaaaaand again!



My 'incessant whining' is to try and give context for other people, like me, who were expecting the MacBook Air 2020 to be pretty much the same as the 2019, but faster. That wasn't my experience. It would have been helpful for me to have this information before I bought it, and if my experience of 'I tried it with very light usage for a week, the heat and fan noise was annoying, so I returned it' helps someone else make up their mind one way or another, that's handy for them.

You keep telling people who find the heat and noise of the new Macbook Air to buy a Macbook Pro. Why must it be necessary to spend hundreds of extra dollars when you're not doing a professional workload? Why are you fixated with making judgements on what's a 'Pro' workload and what's not? Why are you here?

You assert that 'this thing is working as advertised and flawlessly'. Why is this thread so long? Why all these posts?

Very fair that you posted your past posts and absolutely not whining and very good an informative info. I threw you in with the multitudes of incessant whiners and you were not.

What I can tell you is that you should post your experiences and I never did or would tell you not to.

One question that I want to answer is you asking me why I am fixated on making judgement of what a Pro workload is and the answer is I am not making that judgment, you are. I have no opinion one way or the other what a Pro workload is other than your (or anyone else's ) ability to assess whether a current non-Pro machine works for you. If it does not then by definition you have a "Pro workload". You will notice I have never and would never say what computer someone should buy prior to them buying it, only after the fact and that is 100% based on their own opinion. If the Air does not work for person X then they should get a Pro.

Again you misspoke at the end. I said this thing is working as advertised and flawlessly for the masses and the reviews 100% support that.

My personal opinion is that Apple tested this thing with multiple cooling solutions before releasing it and anything better than what they have pushed the performance too high to not differentiate it from the Pro line, thus the design is on purpose and very calculated.

Your opinion does matter and it matters to me as I want to read as many personal reviews as I can. Where I have issue is anyone saying this thing is "broken" or that the design is "completely faulty." As many besides me have said this thing was deliberate and exactly what they wanted. The masses will eat this thing up while the power users (and more of them) will be pushed to Pro machines.

 

[RiaKoobcam]

Very fair that you posted your past posts and absolutely not whining and very good an informative info. I threw you in with the multitudes of incessant whiners and you were not.

What I can tell you is that you should post your experiences and I never did or would tell you not to.

Thank you for that, I appreciate the concession.

Again you misspoke at the end. I aid this thing is working as advertised and flawlessly for the masses and the reviews 100% support that.

I'll agree to that - I haven't checked, but I'll believe you if you say the consumer reviews are overwhelmingly positive. But this is Macrumors, a forum for enthusiasts and people who are maybe a bit more discerning/technically minded than the vast majority.

That doesn't mean smarter, that doesn't mean better, it just means if someone's in this thread saying 'hey guys, this thing is acting weird', they're probably outside that overwhelming majority of consumer reviews who the machine works fine for.

I never would have ended up here if I hadn't noticed my MBA getting hot and acting weird. I'm betting lots of people ended up here for the same reasons. In this thread, I've read the opinions of Apple repairers, computer engineers, people who want to learn more about what's going on, and people who want to try and improve the performance/cooling of their new laptop. I think it's fair to say that people here fall outside of the average consumer review demographic, and post in this thread for very different reasons than someone might leave a 5 star Amazon review.

Again, argumentum ad populum - just because lots of people are saying something doesn't mean there isn't room for nuance. It doesn't invalidate the fact that maybe the people here who are having issues with this device are actually having issues with this device.

 

[esphil]

I had an idea maybe someone can try. I don't have my air yet, however people mention that the i3 runs cooler due to it being 2 cores. There is a way to set the amount of cores used by the system, so it can be "turned" down. The command to do so is:
sudo nvram boot-args="cpus=4"

This will set the logical cores, so that should be reducing the cores in half on the i5, perhaps it could be tested with 6. The thought is if the system can't sustain a peak load it falls off quick. If the chip is much cooler with only half the cores enabled it may be able to sustain that turbo boost for longer and give better performance cooling. Even reducing to 6(3 cores) could help. This is just a random idea, and I don't want to rile up people saying you shouldn't have to do that with a new laptop. The other thought is to experiment with disabling hyperthreading on the i5/i7. I have a feeling you may actually have a performance bump reducing the i5/i7 cores based on alot of feedback here.

 

[ARJR84]

I had an idea maybe someone can try. I don't have my air yet, however people mention that the i3 runs cooler due to it being 2 cores. There is a way to set the amount of cores used by the system, so it can be "turned" down. The command to do so is:
sudo nvram boot-args="cpus=4"

This will set the logical cores, so that should be reducing the cores in half on the i5, perhaps it could be tested with 6. The thought is if the system can't sustain a peak load it falls off quick. If the chip is much cooler with only half the cores enabled it may be able to sustain that turbo boost for longer and give better performance cooling. Even reducing to 6(3 cores) could help. This is just a random idea, and I don't want to rile up people saying you shouldn't have to do that with a new laptop. The other thought is to experiment with disabling hyperthreading on the i5/i7. I have a feeling you may actually have a performance bump reducing the i5/i7 cores based on alot of feedback here.

A performance bump may be a bit of a stretch but I could certainly see it reduce temps by 5-10 degrees. Could anybody run this?

 

[srkirt]

Hello friends from Barcelona !!!
As you will have seen in the photographs I have tried to bring the heat from the heatsink into the wind. Well it has not worked ... ohhhh.
I imagine that you can not put anything on top of the heatsink to which we do this two things happen: that the temp rises more.
Only my head thinks that if instead of taking the heat from the heatsink I would take it from under it ... the copper top sheet that comes out and is on the fan.
I don't know ... if I don't try things I get bored and I have gotten the best out of this MBA.

 

[raymanh]

Bolanders, I think you and I have a different definition of "masses". If you Google "for the masses meaning", Google defines it as the 'majority' and for 'the ordinary people'. In this definition Apple is not for the masses. The majority of people do not have Mac's. HP and Lenovo each sell annually 4x the computers that Apple does. A $1000 laptop is clearly a luxury brand thus not for ordinary folk.

Regardless of this minor point, if your argument continues to be that the new Air is adequate for the average user then I'm not sure what you're doing in this thread. If you've been here since the start of this thread, you'll know plenty of others have uttered the same rhetoric... "it's fine for it's intended market"... "The average user doesn't care about this" etc. etc. As I, and others, have said throughout this thread, this is a forum for enthusiasts, like any forum is. The original question here was about if a heat pipe was added, would it cool the CPU better. Saying "oh it's fine for the average user" is not helpful, and is not really relevant to the question.

No one is saying it's a bad machine. You accused me of saying that, but you just made that up in your mind. All I've said is that it's a shame Apple have now put in a quad core CPU but without the thermals to let it shine. This is what the thread about. Again, not helpful to say things like "well if you wanted THAT, you should've got the Pro.

Lastly, look at the new Air in another way. I still have my 4 year old 13" Pro, base spec, non touch bar, dual core model. Like the Air it has a single fan. Both my Pro and the new Air are exactly the same footprint, and similar thickness (the Air is actually thicker near the hinge). My Pro is 7% heavier. The new i5 Air has a better keyboard 2x the boost performance. My 4 year old Pro has a better screen (brighter and P3), and almost equal sustain performance in some tasks (in Unigine Heaven benchmark, my Pro has only a 0.4% lower FPS, yes 0.4% lower than the i7, yes the i7 2020 Air).

To reiterate, 4 years of development later you have the new Air. Compared to my Pro it has a worse screen, same gaming performance, 2x boost performance, a keyboard that's reliable, worse speakers, $100 more expensive (for the i5 which I'm comparing to here), runs hotter, fans are louder, slight if any gains in battery run time.

4 years of development and that's what you get. It would be fine if the Pro was in a different size but they are essentially the same size and weight.

Seriously 4 years!

Oh it's fine for the average user.

 

[Bolanders]

Masses means a large number of people. Apple is made for the masses. Period. Masses does not mean majority. Never has.

And if anyone needed an answer to "If adding something to cool something more will it be cooler?" needs to be answered then those people have more problems to deal with.

Apple did exactly what they wanted to with this. You also said far more than what you just said you had said.

 

[raymanh]

Masses means a large number of people.
Apple is made for the masses. Period. Masses does not mean majority. Never has.

Is this your level of debate? I showed you that Google defines 'masses' in reference to people as meaning majority/ordinary people. You've just responded with your opinion, stubbornly phrased. You're just incorrect here, Google literally defines 'masses' as majority/ordinary people. Period. No dictionary defines it as simply a large number of people. You learn something new everyday.

And if anyone needed an answer to "If adding something to cool something more will it be cooler?" needs to be answered then those people have more problems to deal with.

So ironic!!! Go back the the first 5 or 10 pages. There literally was an intense debate on whether heat pipes would actually improve cooling or not.

Apple did exactly what they wanted to with this. You also said far more than what you just said you had said.

You've just essentially repeated the rhetoric of "it's fine for it's intended market." Yes Apple did what they intended to do. If you admire their business strategy, product marketing, or their ability to segment products there are other forums for that. As I've said before, this isn't the right thread for you. Repeating the 'average user' rhetoric is not relevant, this is a forum of enthusiasts not average users.

And what more have I said?

Honestly, it seems like you're just joking around now if those are seriously your retorts to my points.

 

[kinchee87]

Hello friends from Barcelona !!!
As you will have seen in the photographs I have tried to bring the heat from the heatsink into the wind. Well it has not worked ... ohhhh.
I imagine that you can not put anything on top of the heatsink to which we do this two things happen: that the temp rises more.
Only my head thinks that if instead of taking the heat from the heatsink I would take it from under it ... the copper top sheet that comes out and is on the fan.
I don't know ... if I don't try things I get bored and I have gotten the best out of this MBA.

Hi Jordi!

I must be the only person skipping through this thread looking for your updates, because you seem to be the only person proactively trying to improve the thermals of your 2019 Air. I am really tempted to see if I can do the same mod on my 2020 Air, but I need to order some tools and materials first.

• What are the dimensions of the "cavity" in the heatsink that needs to be filled in? and how thick is the gap?
• What screws are holding the heatsink in place? Are they Philips or Pentalobe, and what screw size?
• Do you think using foam to restrict the airflow has made a noticeable difference?

 

[rbf1138]

If I play a 4K video on YouTube on a 2020 MBA and it gets hot and loud, does that mean I’m a Pro user?

Similarly, if I have 4 Chrome tabs open and it’s hot and loud, does that mean I’m a Pro user?

Someone keeps defining a computer that “does not work for them” as simply a situation where the user needs to move to a “Pro” machine, but that argument is obviously absurd.

 

[Bolanders]

Is this your level of debate? I showed you that Google defines 'masses' in reference to people as meaning majority/ordinary people. You've just responded with your opinion, stubbornly phrased. You're just incorrect here, Google literally defines 'masses' as majority/ordinary people. Period. No dictionary defines it as simply a large number of people. You learn something new everyday.



So ironic!!! Go back the the first 5 or 10 pages. There literally was an intense debate on whether heat pipes would actually improve cooling or not.



You've just essentially repeated the rhetoric of "it's fine for it's intended market." Yes Apple did what they intended to do. If you admire their business strategy, product marketing, or their ability to segment products there are other forums for that. As I've said before, this isn't the right thread for you. Repeating the 'average user' rhetoric is not relevant, this is a forum of enthusiasts not average users.

And what more have I said?

Honestly, it seems like you're just joking around now if those are seriously your retorts to my points.

Other than dictionary.com

Dictionary.com | Meanings & Definitions of English Words

The world's leading online dictionary: English definitions, synonyms, word origins, example sentences, word games, and more. A trusted authority for 25+ years!

www.dictionary.com

Next time do a little research

"pertaining to, involving, or affecting a large number of people:"

or

"participated in or performed by a large number of people, especially together in a group:"

or

LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE crossword clue - All synonyms & answers

All solutions for "Large group of people" 18 letters crossword clue - We have 6 answers with 5 to 4 letters. Solve your "Large group of people" crossword puzzle fast & easy with the-crossword-solver.com

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Look at 4 letter solutions - Mass

or

Definition of MASS

the liturgy of the Eucharist especially in accordance with the traditional Latin rite; a celebration of the Eucharist; a musical setting for the ordinary of the Mass… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Merriam webster - : a large body of persons in a group

AGAIN - These computers are made for the masses or in other words a large group of certain types of users (people)

 

[deeddawg]

If I play a 4K video on YouTube on a 2020 MBA and it gets hot and loud, does that mean I’m a Pro user?

Similarly, if I have 4 Chrome tabs open and it’s hot and loud, does that mean I’m a Pro user?

Someone keeps defining a computer that “does not work for them” as simply a situation where the user needs to move to a “Pro” machine, but that argument is obviously absurd.

So... what specific action are you going to take that will solve your issue?

 

[Bolanders]

If I play a 4K video on YouTube on a 2020 MBA and it gets hot and loud, does that mean I’m a Pro user?

Similarly, if I have 4 Chrome tabs open and it’s hot and loud, does that mean I’m a Pro user?

Someone keeps defining a computer that “does not work for them” as simply a situation where the user needs to move to a “Pro” machine, but that argument is obviously absurd.

Seriously? If the tool that you have does not work for you then get a better tool. If you have an Air and it is not good enough then you would need the next step up which would be....the Pro. This isn't brain surgery.

So please give us the argument of what computer you need if the current Air does not work for you and want to buy a current machine?

Is there an alternative solution to the Air not being good enough other than buying a Pro with the assumption that the only 2 current computers available are the Air and the Pro?

I have never seen something so ridiculous.

 

[RusHayer]

Hello everyone! I'm waiting for my first ever Macbook Air 2020 (i3 model) and reading all this staff I'm still confused should I get my order or cancel it. I read this topic a lot of times, watch many videos about heating issues and now have a question.

On YouTube guy TheJuan&Only made direct comparison between three models: base 2019 Air, base 2020 Air (i3) and 2020 Air with i5. So he did some casual tests first, launched browser with several tabs open and Apple TV+ running video. Both 2019 and 2020 i3 Airs had similar CPU temperatures (56 versus 61 degrees (check screenshot 1)). Next he added more apps: calculator, text editor etc. In this situation 2020 Air i3 CPU was 88 degrees, but 2019 model was 80 too (check screenshot 2)! Pretty similar, huh? Next step: he launches final cut, photoshop and other more demanding apps. On both models once again CPU temperatures are similar (74 vs 77, 89 vs 92, 99 vs 94, check screenshots 3,4,5)). I did not screened Air i5 2020, because in heavy tasks CPU temperature was about 95-99 all time.

So what is my question is. I guess Air 2019 model and Air 2020 model have similar cooling systems, right? During same tasks both Air 2019 and Air 2020 (i3) have similar CPU temperatures. But Air 2019 was released about a year ago and if this kind of pressure really hurts processor wouldn't we see across all the internet dozens of messages about malfunction and failure, like it was with butterfly keyboard, for example? And maybe this kind of workload is pretty normal and does not kill your notebook? Why topic of overheating was not raised when 2019 model was released nevertheless data pretty the same?

Thanks for this forum, all your discussions and posts. They are very helpful and it have big impact on my final choice. P.S. Sorry for my English, it's not my native language.