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2023 Formula 1 Season thread

AF Corsa ran the Ferrari GTE Pro teams for years, so no surprise they were chosen to manage the Hypercar program when Ferrari decided to launch an entry. As for F1 folks, my guess that would primarily be to help develop and support the energy recovery system portion of the drivetrain.

Aston Martin was one of the original planned Hypercar entrants (along with Toyota) and basing their car on the Valkyrie, but they later postponed their program in 2020 to prepare to re-enter Formula One as a factory team along with concerns about the Le Mans Daytona h (LMDh) plans.
 
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CWallace said:
Le Mans put on a really good show for its Centenary race.
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Where? The broadcast I watched, was really poor, the website woeful, the car tracking useless.. It was like watching it in 1923, they should be ashamed of the poor quality of the broadcast, it was really low rent, no budget for quality cameras and crew.. No this was a very bad production... It seems once the rain came, the crew went home..
 
I watched on the MotorTrend+ steaming service which offered both the World Feed and the EuroSport feed plus a shedload of in-car feeds. I am used to Eurosport for Le Mans so that was the feed I watched. Looked good to me.
 
CWallace said:
I watched on the MotorTrend+ steaming service which offered both the World Feed and the EuroSport feed plus a shedload of in-car feeds. I am used to Eurosport for Le Mans so that was the feed I watched. Looked good to me.
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Oh, time to ditch regional blocks, if you want the cash from me, then allow me to subscribe, Africa is not getting any sort of love, is my money not good enough? The broadcaster here is bankrupt so buys really low rent access, very low quality... And streaming is blocked..
 
With 8 minutes to go the rain intensified to the point that everyone called it and headed for the garage. Add in the Red Flag period and not sure what, if anything, this session tells us about how qualifying will be - especially if it continues to bucket down in the interim.
 
CWallace said:
With 8 minutes to go the rain intensified to the point that everyone called it and headed for the garage. Add in the Red Flag period and not sure what, if anything, this session tells us about how qualifying will be - especially if it continues to bucket down in the interim.
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Hopefully Qualifying will be on inters. Sunday is looking like there is a possibility of a dry track and overcast.
 
Q3 effectively ended after the first hot lap once Piastri binned it and the Red Flag allowed the track to get too wet for Inters. So Max on Pole with Hulkenberg P2, Alonso P3, Hamilton P4 and Russel P5. Perez and LeClerc were out in P2 and Sainz almost assuredly is going to be bounced down the grid from 8th for two blocking incidents so egregious either should have gotten him the Black Flag.
 
Trouble is a wet qualifying used to give us a mixed up grid. But these days P1 is almost guaranteed, so even if the rest of the grid is mixed up, Max will still drive off from the first bend.
Good call from Albion in Q2. He called slicks just at the right time.

Wet or dry later hard to see anyone but Max win it. Perez in 12th has plenty to do. He is the perfect number two driver for Max. Hardly ever a threat.
 
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Apple fanboy said:
Trouble is a wet qualifying used to give us a mixed up grid. But these days P1 is almost guaranteed, so even if the rest of the grid is mixed up, Max will still drive off from the first bend.
Good call from Albion in Q2. He called slicks just at the right time.

Wet or dry later hard to see anyone but Max win it. Perez in 12th has plenty to do. He is the perfect number two driver for Max. Hardly ever a threat.
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Perez is the worst kind of driver for Max, you see the 2nd driver has only 1 job, nick points of any rivals, Max gets the 25, Perez should nick the points for 2nd... But if he, Perez, keeps getting low rent points, 5th 6th, then he is not helping...A bit like Bottas kept getting 3rds in 2021, that meant Max got 2nds, and 2nds pay more points, and the object is to get as many points per race, at the end you count who has what points, and if Max has more than Lewis he is winner.. So if your teammate keeps getting 3rd places, and your rival 2nd places, and you forget to turn left, and end up 15th, and 0 points.. those 9 points your rival gained, hurts you... You see how this all works? Maths is a miracle.. So Perez is not helping, if he keeps finishing behind the pensioner from Spain...
 
11Max VerstappenRED BULL RACING HONDA RBPT1:20.8511:19.0921:25.85826
227Nico HulkenbergHAAS FERRARI1:22.7301:20.3051:27.10225
314Fernando AlonsoASTON MARTIN ARAMCO MERCEDES1:21.4811:19.7761:27.28625
444Lewis HamiltonMERCEDES1:21.5541:20.4261:27.62726
563George RussellMERCEDES1:21.7981:20.0981:27.89325
631Esteban OconALPINE RENAULT1:22.1141:20.4061:27.94525
74Lando NorrisMCLAREN MERCEDES1:21.9981:19.3471:28.04626
855Carlos SainzFERRARI1:22.2481:19.8561:29.29426
981Oscar PiastriMCLAREN MERCEDES1:22.1901:19.6591:31.34924
1023Alexander AlbonWILLIAMS MERCEDES1:21.9381:18.725DNF24
1116Charles LeclercFERRARI1:21.8431:20.61522
1211Sergio PerezRED BULL RACING HONDA RBPT1:22.1511:20.95923
1318Lance StrollASTON MARTIN ARAMCO MERCEDES1:22.6771:21.48420
1420Kevin MagnussenHAAS FERRARI1:22.3511:21.67821
1577Valtteri BottasALFA ROMEO FERRARI1:22.3321:21.82124
1622Yuki TsunodaALPHATAURI HONDA RBPT1:22.74611
1710Pierre GaslyALPINE RENAULT1:22.88611
1821Nyck De VriesALPHATAURI HONDA RBPT1:23.13712
192Logan SargeantWILLIAMS MERCEDES1:23.33714
2024Zhou GuanyuALFA ROMEO FERRARI1:23.34211
Q1 107% time - 1:26.510

Note - Sainz, Tsunoda and Stroll each penalised 3 grid places for impeding other drivers during qualifying. Hulkenberg penalised 3 grid places for a red-flag infringement during qualifying.

Well Nico would have been buried after the lights went out anyway but it is still a shame.

Good for Fred though!!

Vamos Alonso!!!
 
JustinePaula said:
Perez is the worst kind of driver for Max, you see the 2nd driver has only 1 job, nick points of any rivals, Max gets the 25, Perez should nick the points for 2nd... But if he, Perez, keeps getting low rent points, 5th 6th, then he is not helping...A bit like Bottas kept getting 3rds in 2021, that meant Max got 2nds, and 2nds pay more points, and the object is to get as many points per race, at the end you count who has what points, and if Max has more than Lewis he is winner.. So if your teammate keeps getting 3rd places, and your rival 2nd places, and you forget to turn left, and end up 15th, and 0 points.. those 9 points your rival gained, hurts you... You see how this all works? Maths is a miracle.. So Perez is not helping, if he keeps finishing behind the pensioner from Spain...
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If RBR don’t win both championships by 100 points at least I’ll be amazed. Especially as the rest are jockeying for position. It’s not like the same driver is always 2nd and 3rd or they are often from the same team.
 
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Wet or dry later hard to see anyone but Max win it.
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I think the only chance we have for someone other than Max to win would be a Full Wet race to start.


EDIT - Nico was demoted to 5th for impeding.
In the dry, Nico is just going to hold up Lewis behind him at the start and probably crowd out Alonso and Russel into the first corner, which should give Max a clean run through Turns 1-3 and allow him to start building his lead down the first straight that should only increase as the race unfolds.
 
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CWallace said:
I think the only chance we have for someone other than Max to win would be a Full Wet race to start.

In the dry, Nico is just going to hold up Lewis behind him at the start and probably crowd out Alonso and Russel into the first corner, which should give Max a clean run through Turns 1-3 and allow him to start building his lead down the first straight that should only increase as the race unfolds.
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Forecast is for Cloudy 20c dry conditions entire race.
 
And Nico was demoted to 5th for impeding so that puts Alonso next to Max and Lewis and George on Row 2 so maybe we will get an interesting start, after all.
 
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Well, great racing from P2 back for the duration. Mercedes still improving, but AMR quicker still. Mercedes needs to put the power down consistently. Sorry to see George retire due his off. He had pace.

Amazing drive by Fred to manage his rear brakes at the end then pull away to finish P2. Great drive by Albon in the Williams.

Sergio steals Fastest Lap at the end for RBR. Max still on another planet. Another P1 for HONDA Power. 😏
 
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Yeah pretty clear RBR is going to win every race this season based on Max's pace.

Mid-field (7-14) was where the action was for me. Nice to see both Ferrari drivers telling the pit wall to sod off on their strategy calls so they could actually score good points (if Sainz had come in when the pit wall wanted, he'd have just trundled in the DRS train).
 
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CWallace said:
Yeah pretty clear RBR is going to win every race this season based on Max's pace.

Mid-field (7-14) was where the action was for me. Nice to see both Ferrari drivers telling the pit wall to sod off on their strategy calls so they could actually score good points (if Sainz had come in when the pit wall wanted, he'd have just trundled in the DRS train).
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Agreed. Was great to hear, and deserved by the Pit Wall.
 
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Great race, possibly the most engineered track on the calendar being built on an island on a lake or river? Very impressive looking track this one.
Max stormed it again. But Alonso and Lewis had a good scrap, and we have tons of overtaking in this one.
Russell still being a rookie as was the chap pushing Kevin off track causing them down that slip road
 
If Perez doesn't improve, no idea what's up with him as he was doing great in the beginning, and RB drop him, anyone else think Lando may be poached to replace him?
 
Great question from a different forum:

When's the last time that an F1 champion was crowned that is widely agreed to have had the inferior car?

Below are the answers I've gleaned from the interwebs...

1995 benetton/schumacher although the way I recall it he kicked the **** out of williams /hill so it didn't look too inferior to me anyway... the williams duo scored 11 poles that season if i recall correctly to only 4 for schumi ... so maybe

The internet says:
Rosberg 1982 (Ferrari)

Prost 1986 (Williams)

Schumacher in 1994*, 1995 (Williams) **

*1994 schumi should have been disqualified IMHO
** Those two others I posted didn't win championships...


  • Keke Rosberg (1982), as has been said already, the only reason he won is because of Gilles' death and Didier Pironi's accident. Prior to the German GP, Pironi was leading the WDC with 39 points compared to Rosberg's 27.
  • Nigel Mansell (1992), no doubt he's a great driver, but if you've seen Senna you'd remember that the FW14B had quite a technological advantage over the rest of the grid. It's pretty likely that Senna, or someone else, would've taken the championship if they were in the other car instead of Riccardo Patrese.
  • Damon Hill (1996), really only won because he was in a car designed by the most brilliant minds in F1 - Adrian Newey and Patrick Head. Not much else to say, the FW18 and 19 were quite impeccable. I'm actually quite fond of Hill, he seems like a genuinely nice person unlike the next guy in the list, but that doesn't take away the fact that his car did most of the work that year.
  • Jacques Villeneuve (1997), see above. Honestly, just look at his career after '97. He was shown the door by Takuma Sato, Heinz-Harald Frentzen and finally Nick Heidfeld before being replaced by Kubica mid-season in '07. He had a couple of lucky podiums, that's about it. I'd also like to point out that he managed to finish outside of the points in one of the fastest cars on the grid in 2004.


Thoughts?
 
Not a full season but in 2009 the superior Brawn was second best car for the second half of the season. Button held his nerve to maintain points to win the championship whilst Rubens lost his head at times complaining and making mistakes.

Not sure I agree on some of the observations of Mansell and Hill to be honest. Nigel was a very strong racer and I don’t believe for a second that if he’d had Senna as a teammate he’d definitely be beaten. Senna wasn’t perfect although his legend has made him out to be. He had his flaws and was easily rattled when he had a teammate near his level. He didn’t always come out on top with his often temperamental personality. One of the greatest for sure and Mansell is too in his own right. I do think Senna was the best if his generation however.

Damon came into the sport very late at 32 years old and didn’t just perform well due to his car. Sure he wasn’t going to win a championship in a Brabham and had one of the best cars during his time with Williams, but people forget he was very capable on his day and could make Michael look average at times. Not suggesting he was the better driver, but I hate how he’s often referred to as being lucky and untalented.

It could be argued 2008 was won by the second best car when you look at the stats. Ferrari had 8 pole positions to McLaren’s 7 and recorded a staggering 13 fastest laps to McLaren’s 3, with Kovalainen getting 2 of them. Ferrari won the constructors title that year by 21 points in the old system. I think the tables turned after McLaren having the better car the year before in 2007.
 
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Fernando Alonso his 2 WDC titles in that Renault against Schumacher his Ferrari.

Schumacher / Ferrari even got FIA assistance banning parts of the Renault as a "moveable aero device" which was a bunch of crap, yet Alonso still beat him.
 
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An other one is Lewis his 2019 title against that cheating Ferrari car. You knew, I knew it, everybody knew Ferrari was doing some illegal stuff with their engines as the Ferrari was a rocketship, it wasn't even funny.

However Lewis was simply a much better driver than Vettel in the end and Lewis won the championship.

It was also later confirmed by the FIA that Ferrari was cheating in the end also.
 
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