It is a 4 hour drive from me. Might just stretch the legs on my car a little bit and take a trip on Monday. Already got my Green 4 and Crit d'Air stickers.
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Nope, and the stewards have now also awarded a 5 second penalty to Max, plus a point on his license as he was supposedly below the minimum time during the virtual safety car. And Piastry did a brilliant job there by being mister jojo, even though he clearly looked to be doing that on purpose. Net result Max was 0.63 below the minimum time.
Johnny Herbert strikes again, he couldn't behave at Sky, but doing a great job being a stewart
Naturally the FIA distances themselves from this as it clearly exclaimes; "Decisions of the Stewards are taken independently of the FIA blah blah blah."So Max, ended up behind Charles and dropped a place.
That was because Jean-Marie Balestre, President of the FIA at the time, was French and he fully backed and supported Alain Prost.
There's a few accusations of Piastri slowing down, but those claims are made by people who don't understand the delta times. In F1 you do not keep a constant speed under a VSC (unlike other series which have these rules - F1 is more complex). In F1 each mini sector gets a delta time you must be slower than, rather than just keeping everyone at 80kmh. That means the cars speed up and slow down, which is what Piastri was doing. By the end of the VSC it will have leveled itself out.
And that's exactly what we saw. The onboard from Max shows him the same distance from Lando at the green as he was when they went under VSC.
Max was penalized because he tried to pre-empt the restart (all drivers and teams do this and have systems in place), but went too early which took him under the delta time for that mini sector.
The penalty isn't really one you can contest. You're either above the time or below the time - it's just a factual one. Normally, the penalty is 10 seconds, but I don't think Max did it on purpose. He backed out of the pass before the corner. I think he had his penalty reduced because of that. I think that's fair.
And that's exactly what we saw. The onboard from Max shows him the same distance from Lando at the green as he was when they went under VSC.
Max was penalized because he tried to pre-empt the restart (all drivers and teams do this and have systems in place), but went too early which took him under the delta time for that mini sector.
The penalty isn't really one you can contest. You're either above the time or below the time - it's just a factual one. Normally, the penalty is 10 seconds, but I don't think Max did it on purpose. He backed out of the pass before the corner. I think he had his penalty reduced because of that. I think that's fair.
It is pouring at Interlagos so Qualifying is now delayed at least an hour and probably longer. On the plus side, I can watch the WEC finale which ends in an hour.
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Thank you for the explanation 🙏
What’s your view on the timing of the deployment of the safety car?
Pretty sure no Qualifying today. It is pushed back to 4:45 local and will likely be later as heavier rain is almost on track and it will likely be too dark to run.
They may be able to get a session in tomorrow morning, otherwise they will probably use the Sprint Results to set the starting grid.
They may be able to get a session in tomorrow morning, otherwise they will probably use the Sprint Results to set the starting grid.
It was a surprisingly difficult situation. Hulkenberg was letting the car roll down the hill, so race control was trying to let that happen and hope it was enough. Obviously it wasn't, despite Hulks best efforts and the car stopped. So the deployment was delayed due to that.
But then there was also a second issue, in that you cannot actually put the car behind the barriers at that point. The marshals area is less than a meter wide and there's no break in the armco. If you moved it to the left side of the barrier then it would be a potential issue on the exit of T10. If you moved it to the right of the barrier then it's in the run off on the exit of T9. There's not actually a good place to put a car in that situation. I suspect race control was having a debate on what to do, which delayed the deployment of the VSC further.
Remember that Hulk was clear of the car, and the car was parked way off the line. The marshals had not crossed the wall yet. So the neutralization of the circuit wasn't super urgent at that point. I imagine (and this is speculation) that race control had a debate on where to put the car (or leave it for 3 laps). Eventually they made a decision and only then did they deploy the VSC and then the marshals.
People are saying they left it late to allow McLaren to do the switch, and I understand the conspiracy. But if they hadn't decided what to do, and nobody was in immediate danger, there wasn't a rush.
If they had done it immediately and then went back green then the same argument would be made that they did it quickly to get back to green to help McLaren again.
I don't think there was a conspiracy there if you consider where Hulks car was, and the options race control had. I suspect the barrier will get moved for next year. It's literally impossible to recover a car properly from that spot.
SKY says if there is no Qualifying session tomorrow, then the stewards will decide the grid as there is nothing in the Sporting Code. That will be addressed in 2025, however, with a formal process.
I heard that too. Croft is incorrect. F1 Sporting Regulation 39.4 covers this.
Additionally, 39.1 states that qualifying must occur on the second day of track running.
I suspect the stewards will override these regulations, for obvious reasons. But that's the regulations.
39.4(b) does not cover a situation where qualifying does not take place. It is meant to cover drivers who fail to qualify for an event due to things like the 107% rule, a crash on the warmup, having their hot lap deleted for track limits or by being excluded by the stewards by allowing them to fill the last positions based on their FP3 time.
None of those scenarios apply here, but the stewards could use it as a basis to set the order based on FP1's results, which would be as follows:
None of those scenarios apply here, but the stewards could use it as a basis to set the order based on FP1's results, which would be as follows:
| POS | NO | DRIVER | CAR | TIME | GAP | LAPS |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 4 | Norris | McLaren Mercedes | 1:10.610 | 29 | |
| 2 | 63 | Russell | Mercedes | 1:10.791 | +0.181s | 24 |
| 3 | 50 | Bearman | Haas Ferrari | 1:10.805 | +0.195s | 30 |
| 4 | 81 | Piastri | McLaren Mercedes | 1:10.950 | +0.340s | 30 |
| 5 | 23 | Albon | Williams Mercedes | 1:10.955 | +0.345s | 28 |
| 6 | 16 | Leclerc | Ferrari | 1:11.038 | +0.428s | 31 |
| 7 | 55 | Sainz | Ferrari | 1:11.100 | +0.490s | 30 |
| 8 | 27 | Hulkenberg | Haas Ferrari | 1:11.124 | +0.514s | 26 |
| 9 | 14 | Alonso | Aston Martin Aramco Mercedes | 1:11.215 | +0.605s | 26 |
| 10 | 10 | Gasly | Alpine Renault | 1:11.216 | +0.606s | 27 |
| 11 | 30 | Lawson | RB Honda RBPT | 1:11.301 | +0.691s | 26 |
| 12 | 22 | Tsunoda | RB Honda RBPT | 1:11.483 | +0.873s | 25 |
| 13 | 43 | Colapinto | Williams Mercedes | 1:11.619 | +1.009s | 31 |
| 14 | 77 | Bottas | Kick Sauber Ferrari | 1:11.651 | +1.041s | 29 |
| 15 | 1 | Verstappen | Red Bull Racing Honda RBPT | 1:11.712 | +1.102s | 30 |
| 16 | 44 | Hamilton | Mercedes | 1:11.754 | +1.144s | 30 |
| 17 | 18 | Stroll | Aston Martin Aramco Mercedes | 1:11.783 | +1.173s | 26 |
| 18 | 31 | Ocon | Alpine Renault | 1:11.827 | +1.217s | 26 |
| 19 | 11 | Perez | Red Bull Racing Honda RBPT | 1:11.845 | +1.235s | 28 |
| 20 | 24 | Zhou | Kick Sauber Ferrari | 1:12.883 | +2.273s | 27 |
I am fully aware of the reasons, watched F1 when it happened, what should have happened is that the FIA, should have made a gesture to formally apologise for being a holes when the man was alive.. But no, the FIA remains silent and disgusting and lovvy dovy over Senna, when they in truth hated the man.. They come to Brazil, paint his name everywhere..
How hard can it be for 22 men to agree on rain qualifying? It is insane that after 50+ yrs and at least 5 or 6 occasions when it has rained and a session has been postponed.. There is no rule to work to.. It should be 2 hours prior to the race, qualifying occurs.. So 12pm for Q, then 3pm for race..
Bonus points for 0730 and 1230.. Genius, no one saw that.. Well done, and not mocking, genuine, using a bit of brain really does wonders..Impressed..
Bonus points for 0730 and 1230.. Genius, no one saw that.. Well done, and not mocking, genuine, using a bit of brain really does wonders..Impressed..
Wow, this is an insane session, insane, I can already hear the postcards being written to
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