Rain is the great equalizer, this was as good as everyone having the same car. No DRS, just skill to keep the car on the road and put the traction down. And regardless of lucky with a red flag or not, to come back to that position after starting at p17, that was huge on its own.
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I agree, this proves that 100% of a race is better without toys like DRS, last to first and a win and sod all DRS, proves that DRS is a joke, a handicap, a crutch, based on fake ideaology, that the FIA/Liberty/F1 has no idea what is what...
F1 should be about drivers, driving, and race engineers engineering, you use the tyres you feel best suit, C2 front, C3 rear, it should not matter, if you want to refuel, use a system like Nascar, or not..
Here we had a team go 100% of the race without a single pitstop.. Well done to them, rain does something to the event, Maclaren no question goofed, goofed big time, pit or not to pit, tough call, could have worked, but.. Maybe the rule of changing tyres at a red flag should come with a penalty, 10 seconds, even if, Max was almost a week ahead by the 69th lap...So it matters not...
It was a great race, the best rain race Canada 2011, I watch that race from time to time, and still how did JB win? How? I wonder just how much fight Lando really has, does he have the desire to race at the level required of a WDC? He is maybe racing at 95%, to be a WDC, it requires an extra 5%, and that is why we have so few WDC drivers, compared to the number of race winners/race entrants..
Maybe why Brundle is a commentator and not a WDC champion, good, 90%, missing that extra 10% to go from good to great to champion.. Lando may never be a WDC... That extra 5% is maybe a very very rare thing...
F1 should be about drivers, driving, and race engineers engineering, you use the tyres you feel best suit, C2 front, C3 rear, it should not matter, if you want to refuel, use a system like Nascar, or not..
Here we had a team go 100% of the race without a single pitstop.. Well done to them, rain does something to the event, Maclaren no question goofed, goofed big time, pit or not to pit, tough call, could have worked, but.. Maybe the rule of changing tyres at a red flag should come with a penalty, 10 seconds, even if, Max was almost a week ahead by the 69th lap...So it matters not...
It was a great race, the best rain race Canada 2011, I watch that race from time to time, and still how did JB win? How? I wonder just how much fight Lando really has, does he have the desire to race at the level required of a WDC? He is maybe racing at 95%, to be a WDC, it requires an extra 5%, and that is why we have so few WDC drivers, compared to the number of race winners/race entrants..
Maybe why Brundle is a commentator and not a WDC champion, good, 90%, missing that extra 10% to go from good to great to champion.. Lando may never be a WDC... That extra 5% is maybe a very very rare thing...
Yes, this was Lando's chance for a single world championship. He is still in it though, as yesterday has demonstrated stranger things can happen. And I doubt there will be rain at any of the next races. But looking at his teammate (when everything is equal that is the one to beat), Lando is not faster than Oscar. But other factors come into play, so who knows.
Lando win a WDC? Nope, he is at max, 95%, the extra 5%, does not have the "x" factor.. New regs coming, new cars, this 2024 season, or maybe a sniff in 2025, but 2026 no chance.. In the same race, same conditions, Max stuck 17 fastest laps back to back, and Lando, well he couldn't keep it between the lines.. That is the 5% difference..
I agree, it is that bit final bit that not only Lando, but many others seem to be missing, that consistency to keep doing it lap after lap.
The announcers seemed unclear as well... or maybe they were simply confused by Lando taking off... lol.Only by the stewards which I find odd. The message was clear, that meant engines off and wait for the team to come to you. Not do another lap, that was so dangerous, there could have been none racers on the track. But clearly according to the stewards not as dangerous as racing when a race is on. Very odd decision.
I bet Johnny Herbert was trying to think of a way to blame Max for it😂
Every driver that left the grid, should have been black flagged, and points on the licence.. Every one broke the rule..
Interlagos is a track where there have been some epic drives over the years where drivers have come from the back of the grid and finished high or won. It is a short circuit, with very fast corners and undulating, which allows drivers to get the speed in very short distances. Max has done this before, Schumacher, Button, Hamilton etc have all done this at Interlagos in dry conditions, add a bit of moisture and you end up with a 2003, 2008 or a 2024 type situation. It would be unfair to suggest Lando isn't a capable driver due to this race, and lets face it, its his first season with this type of pressure. Max is older, and done all this before and the fact Lando has been in contention is a sign of what is to come as he matures.
Fair point, I'm man enough to admit that at first I was like why are some not going. Why have so many stalled, not yet registering that they all got the signal to switch off engines and wait for their teams. It was an extremely dangerous action by him (and those who blindly followed him). Ah well, it happened.
LOL We are not talking about a novice here. Lando has had 125 starts, 25 podiums. And there is only 2 years of age between them. Now compare that to Oscar who is two years younger than Lando, only has had 43 F1 starts, 9 podiums.
It is not easy, of course it isn't as that is why this is F1. Norris didn't always have a capable car either, I get that as well. But within that team, my money would be on Oscar.
Pretty sure everyone was confused by Lando moving.😉
The Haas was black flagged cause a couple of marshalls pushed him, as a result of a idiot that designed a track that is unfit for even karting, the Haas was in a position through terrible construction, look if the Haas was in the sand, like Stroll, fair play, but a bad track, build by idiots..
One would have thought this could have been rectified during the resurface? The larger issue is the uneven surface. How often does a resurfaced track end up even bumpier? Alonso could barely get out of his car. Hamilton barely made it as well. It's a must fix, IMO.
Exactly, a number of drivers hurt or had the race affected due to incompetence, both the FIA inspectors, pretty much saw nothing wrong... Idiots, clowns, pure simple incompetence, or just paid off to see perfection.. 2 drivers Lewis and Fernando suffered, the Haas, out of the race because of bad track build.. Really the FIA is not looking sharp right now..
Then now onto ScamGP.. The most hated and detested and pointless race in the history of F1 since Dallas 1984
LOL I don't mind the race that much, fair is fair, it was actually quite good.
It is just the surrounding circus, the shows beforehand, and afterwards. That isn't me at all, so OTT, meaningless artists mimicking badly, just people who like to be seen. And never forget how the local organization was chasing actual paying fans away last year because they didn't get the staffing right. Or that ridiculous product placement where the top three were moved in cars halfway the track for an interview by some mafia built hotel, to then later be moved again.
I know some people love Las Vegas, I can't stand the place. But the race itself was not bad.
I think they got the Lando fine correct though. Everything was a mess there. No need to make it worse.
This is why it’s called Sin City. I’ve been there many times. It appeals to a certain type of individual. I’ve never had a problem. I enjoyed it quite a bit more 40yrs ago though. 😉
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Wow Damon Hill, just wow! I would have had some respect for it if you said something like "I was wrong", or finished it with "... like me". But this is just pure attention seeking and selective memory.
Nothing new here. He’s still feeling the 97 Australian GP.
Yeah I agree, if the rest of the race was the same Norris would probably have been fourth because he couldn't over take but Max could.
And that's why the Alpines did so well.
Most of the teams are actually pretty close this year (maybe the cost cap is working?), Alpines biggest problem is their engine and if the other teams can't use all their power coming out of a corner, then their drivers are not at so much of a disadvantage.
I believe Oliver Oakes has brought some discipline to Alpine as well. Noticeable change since his arrival.
Agreed, that is indeed the thing, none of the teams could use full power in these conditions. It comes down to the driver to manage it; just look at Norris spinning like a mad man at the start whilst Russel was more moderate and managed to get away.
Yesterday was like a pizza, less (toppings) is more 🤣
Definitely, you can start seeing the changes. Same with James at Williams. It is not easy, it is not a silver bullet for overnight changes, but it will come.
Alpine should get a lot of credit this year as they were the worst team on the grid at one point and now 6th in the constructors and I doubt a podium was an expectation this season. I think them and Williams have made the most changes of anybody at a personnel level and of course the cost cap will allow them to make bigger strides within the same constraints as everyone else.
I think Alpine really benefited from the inclement weather and good strategy calls (staying out during the [V]SCs). Ocon and Gasly also are very good drivers in the rain. And both Haas and both Williams not scoring any points certainly helped, as well.
Once we're back on dry tracks, I think we will see them struggle again.
Once we're back on dry tracks, I think we will see them struggle again.
Ocon and Gasly were both very vocal in the post with how the car came alive in the wet. Really let them display their talent, IMO.