That is pretty much implied... so...Wow Damon Hill, just wow! I would have had some respect for it if you said something like "I was wrong", or finished it with"... like me". But this is just pure attention seeking and selective memory.
That is pretty much implied... so...Wow Damon Hill, just wow! I would have had some respect for it if you said something like "I was wrong", or finished it with"... like me". But this is just pure attention seeking and selective memory.
They got a free pitstop from it. Well played... or luckily played...I think Alpine really benefited from the inclement weather and good strategy calls (staying out during the [V]SCs). Ocon and Gasly also are very good drivers in the rain. And both Haas and both Williams not scoring any points certainly helped, as well.
Once we're back on dry tracks, I think we will see them struggle again.
Still find it funny how starting to drive at an aborted race situation attracts a fine that is less than swearing 🤷♂️
Either way they have to have a deterrent for swearing on live television. There are rules and guidelines for broadcasting across the world and repeated swearing can get a program cut from transmission when shown before the watershed, 9pm in the UK. Otherwise we end up with a Shaun Ryder situation where he appeared on a TFI Friday in the 90’s and repeatedly swore and nearly got the show cancelled. He is named in the channel 4 guidelines to this day and 30 years on he is banned from appearing on any of their live broadcasts.Leaves the start, putting marshalls in danger, 5k fine, bloke says a swear word, 5k fine, someone make that make sense, really it is like getting 2 to 5 in the big house for farting in court.. You just know that is way too harsh...
Yet yet, you know that every 2nd word in the tv compound is a swear word, does the FIA fine the tv crew for swearing?
Actually, swearing is deemed twice as back; one got a 10K fine, not 5K like the aborted start, and the other got a community charge (equating to way more than the 10K).Yes, fines are fine, but what Lando and others did on the aborted start is 100 times worse than saying *uck on air, but the fines are the same value.. That sends a very confusing message.. So next time, cheat on the start line, it is only 5 grand, cheap as... Swear and it is also 5 grand.
Exactly that, one endangers lives, the other invokes '...but what about the children.' Whilst a) children rarely watch the pre shows, let alone the interviews afterwards. And b) know a heck of a lot more swearwords than most boomers do, and get great amusement out of that.What is the FIA trying to say? Putting marshalls at risk is the same as swearing? Which it is not, but has the same fine value? Maybe 5 grand for swearing and 150k for what Lando did, and every car that left the grid, 150k or black flag? If not a 2 lap drive through? But to equate Lando's crime with swearing, that is insane... Someone should be sectioned for that..
I have no idea what the FIA are trying to say and to be honest I haven’t thought about comparing the two. What I don’t agree with is making fines or penalties up to suit fans or teams which is why there needs to be consistency. It wasn’t long ago fans were calling for penalties to be decided based on how hard cars hit barriers and that was completely absurd. It would be nice to actually have a weekend where the racing is the focus and not the penalties but this seems to be modern F1.Yes, fines are fine, but what Lando and others did on the aborted start is 100 times worse than saying *uck on air, but the fines are the same value.. That sends a very confusing message.. So next time, cheat on the start line, it is only 5 grand, cheap as... Swear and it is also 5 grand.
What is the FIA trying to say? Putting marshalls at risk is the same as swearing? Which it is not, but has the same fine value? Maybe 5 grand for swearing and 150k for what Lando did, and every car that left the grid, 150k or black flag? If not a 2 lap drive through? But to equate Lando's crime with swearing, that is insane... Someone should be sectioned for that..
I thought I had missed the Norris incident as the one I saw was him pulling off for a second formation lap while the grid had been cleared, or is the issue there could have been marshalls trackside attending to Strolls car at T4? If this is the case, what is the protocol for marshalls in the run-off areas under a VSC? I say this as I haven't looked into this.Not consistent so much as appropriate for the crime.. To equate swearing and leaving the grid under aborted start is beyond not the same level of crime, swearing is a misdemeanor, harms no one, driving off is extremely reckless and has the potential to cause harm...
But the FIA deem swearing a more serious offence, which makes me question the mental health of the FIA staff that believe in this.. Please, kids hear more swearing like that at a Sunday afternoon chess match in the park than 20 drivers could do in a season of F1..Swearing in the UK is really the national language, not English..
There is way more to the swearing, it is bordering on religious, that is how it seems, could be wrong, but this now is a big thing, since 1950, and don't tell me, the Saint Senna never swore, or Prost, Hill, the one timer Rosberg, swears regularly on air..
What about Saint Lauda, Saint Villenueve? Maybe take back their titles for swearing, I am sure they did, we know Max does, maybe the FIA should scan the archives, if he said "*uck" once toss his titles in the skip?? The FIA is on a slippery slope to insanity, F1 is way over-regulated and at the same time, under regulated, one wonders if staff are over medicated??
Are you talking about the aborted start where the drivers did an additional parade lap without permission? I’m sure you’re not as the track was cleared at this point but I haven’t seen another incident. I didn’t see all the race and I’m not finding much on Lando’s false start apart from articles.Laptech, I agree with the post, there is no debate over swearing, it should be dealt with, but the concern is making the offense worse in terms of monetary fine worse than driving off under unsafe/unclear conditions...
What Lando and others did is a far greater "crime" but the FIA treat it as a lessor of the 2 "crimes" dealt with.. Swearing v driving in an unsafe/unclear/unauthorized circumstance..
That is the issue, swearing is worse than what Lando did.. That is just insane thinking by the FIA.. To treat an actual driving offence as lessor offence is criminal and "section-able" if this occurred in the UK, the Race Director/FIA someone should be spending time in a decent ward at the state expense being cared for...
Swearing is nowhere near as bad as what Lando/Max and 17 others did..No way.. Nothing can justify placing swearing as a more severe crime..
The track wasn't clear, the race was being reset. The signal was given for the teams to come out to the cars. That is what the aborted race signal entails. It would be useful to actually watch the race …Are you talking about the aborted start where the drivers did an additional parade lap without permission? I’m sure you’re not as the track was cleared at this point but I haven’t seen another incident. I didn’t see all the race and I’m not finding much on Lando’s false start apart from articles.
So it was that incident that you say put lives in danger. I think the fine was fitting, cars pulled away unauthorised at low speed and the track was clear. What stretch to keep bleating on about comparing this to conduct in front of the media. Both have their protocols and both are dealt with accordingly.The track was "clear" that does not mean safe, the cars had no permission to do a parade, what if Lando took off, and then a marshal ran across the road, this has happened in the past, and was killed? To say it is of a lessor "crime" to drive without express permission of the race director, this is lessor than swearing, that is insane..
Swearing as an F1 crime is insane, it is unpleasant, take the offender into the office, give him/her the verbals that they require, fine them, fine, but to levy a fine of a value greater than that of the punishment metered out to Lando, sorry that is sheer insanity.. It is section-able, it is clear evidence that the men that run F1 are insane!!
There has been a lot of discussion about the press conference that feels completely overblown. If you look the members of press that asked questions, there was one single journalist from outside of Brazil (L'Equipe). The post race press conference is primary for written media and attended by local journalists or member of agencies that other news cites. There weren't any Dutch journalists there either, as has been reported elsewhere.And so the British bias continues …
Johnny Herbert responded to comments about bias, he is like when I'm not a steward I'm entitled to an opinion, and to publisize it, he goes on to exclaim that he is a different person when he is a steward, but that his opinion is echoed by many and then (wait for it) continues to exclaim just ask Lando and Zak. OMFG The guy is not fit to be in that position.
And then Will Buxton, who surprised me as he tends to be neutral, he explained in response to why there is no British press at the winners conference that it is not bias, it is just because there weren't British winners so they can do other things and just wait for the transscript...Right so no british press because no british winners is not bias...Right got it.
This situation is getting sillier and sillier, so silly that for once I'm not even going into the distinction about UK press vs European press. Ahem, last time I looked the UK is still part of Europe...
Anyway, and the FIA remains silent.
As does the "anti-british" bias.And so the British bias continues …
Johnny Herbert responded to comments about bias, he is like when I'm not a steward I'm entitled to an opinion, and to publisize it, he goes on to exclaim that he is a different person when he is a steward, but that his opinion is echoed by many and then (wait for it) continues to exclaim just ask Lando and Zak. OMFG The guy is not fit to be in that position.
And then Will Buxton, who surprised me as he tends to be neutral, he explained in response to why there is no British press at the winners conference that it is not bias, it is just because there weren't British winners so they can do other things and just wait for the transscript...Right so no british press because no british winners is not bias...Right got it.
This situation is getting sillier and sillier, so silly that for once I'm not even going into the distinction about UK press vs European press. Ahem, last time I looked the UK is still part of Europe...
Anyway, and the FIA remains silent.
10 seconds and 3 points. Failing that a penalty more severe than that for saying a swear word.As does the "anti-british" bias.
What he did was stupid. If you had the same feed as me, Sky on espn, even the announcers weren't clear on what was going to happen next and then Lando took off which also baffled the announcers and we viewers. Lando got a fine. What more do you want? Jail time? Shouldn't it suffice to say that Lando is a prisoner of his own foibles and his lack of ability to beat Max.
Couldn't agree more. I think if it had just been one or two cars the severity of the penalty might have been a little, if not a lot, different. As it is at least half the grid went with him. Maybe that influenced their judgement? Did anyone else get a fine? Did they just punish the ringleader?10 seconds and 3 points. Failing that a penalty more severe than that for saying a swear word.
The confusion was only because Lando took off when he shouldn’t and then others followed. The messaging was clear to other who questioned what they were doing and had their engines switched off as per the rules under this message.
But as Johnny exclaimed many others agreed with his thinking just ask Zak and Lando 🤦♂️ Or as Will Buxton exclaimed “…because there are no British racers”.
All I want it some level of consistency.