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2024 Formula 1 Season thread
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Ocon is the better of Alpine's two drivers and he could have options with other teams next year (Haas and maybe Williams if Kimi goes to Mercedes). And with Alpine only having two WDC and CC points, do they really want to park their better driver for a rookie even if said driver is a bell end?
Then again, Bruno Famin has not exactly covered himself in glory with his decisions as of late, so...
If Adrian does, that would really put the cat amongst the pigeons, as David Hobbs would be fond if saying. And that would likely allow Williams to under-bid Audi a not-insignificant bit on the salary offer (though Dorilton Capital could afford to match if they had to).
As poor as the W15 is, the Mercedes M15 E Performance PSU is a solid performer so it arguably could be a safer bet to go with Williams with Adrian and Mercedes PSU rather than Audi.
Personally I think Gasly is the better of the two drivers. I did see a rumour Mick Schumacher is in discussions for the seat and he’s not a rookie but I’m not convinced he’s a better option than Ocon.
Ocon has the better qualifying and race finish record.
As for Schumacher, he is Alpine's WEC HyperCar driver, but I would expect them to give it to Jack Doohan since he is their Test and Reserve Driver. Also, I believe Le Mans testing is the same weekend as the Canadian Grand Prix so Mick would be unavailable.
Yes I would think so. That kind of change will take a long time. Too longer for someone like Sainz.
Pat Symonds has left his role as Formula 1's chief technical officer to join the Andretti Cadillac F1 program as an executive engineering consultant. Seems a major move for him if Andretti has no chance of ever making the grid.
And in regards to them never making the grid, Liberty Media CEO Greg Maffei informed Mario Andretti during the Miami Grand Prix that he will "do everything in his power to ensure that Michael never enters F1". Liberty Media sources stated that Maffei did not say this, but instead told Mario that it was for "sound business reasons" they denied their bid to join in the 2025 or 2026 seasons with a customer power plant.
www.nbcnews.com
Formula 1’s Pat Symonds joins the Andretti Cadillac F1 programme
Veteran engineer Pat Symonds leaves his role as Formula 1’s chief technical officer to join the Andretti Cadillac F1 programme.
www.bbc.com
And in regards to them never making the grid, Liberty Media CEO Greg Maffei informed Mario Andretti during the Miami Grand Prix that he will "do everything in his power to ensure that Michael never enters F1". Liberty Media sources stated that Maffei did not say this, but instead told Mario that it was for "sound business reasons" they denied their bid to join in the 2025 or 2026 seasons with a customer power plant.
Mario Andretti says Formula 1 executive personally vowed to block his team entering the sport
The racing legend said the CEO of Liberty Media, Greg Maffei, told him, "I will do everything in my power to see that Michael [Andretti] never enters Formula 1."
www.nbcnews.com
This all seems a bit too much like a Pre K fight over who can play with the kindergarten's toy Barbie... Really, F1 is full of really immature toddlers, where are the adults? The FIA/F1 is so juvenile and pathetic, right now in 2024, we have at least 3 teams that may never in the best scenario will win a race or a title, having 2 more cars, really, how will that affect the top runners? Maybe F1/F2/F3 runs on a promotion/relegation system?? But truthfully, Williams is going to win a season before 2121? So let the Andretti team in.. Really right now it is a bunch of pre teens fighting over who wears mom's bra..pathetic..
I’m not sure if this is still tha case, but historically only the top 10 teams in the constructors championship get prize money at the end of the season (there is no prize money for drivers). For smaller teams, this prize money is essential for their survival. So, adding an 11th team means that one team would miss out on tens of millions of much needed dollars and thus run the risk of collapsing.
Actually that is not true, some of the teams get a handy little bonus, teams like Ferrari, for being there since the start, so even if Ferrari ran no cars, never pitched at events, they would still get paid, if you want to race in F1, and F1 is about marketing, you are driving 2 very fast billboards, on tracks lined with sponsorships, it makes more sense to have more cars, bringing in more income, and more media.. Less is bad for business.. Teams don't just run on what they get from the FIA, then drivers would be paid £23.10 an hour...Every team has cars in at least a dozen different formula across many countries, like Mclaren has in the US, Japan, etc...
So it really is not about money, never was, but about who gets the bra today, and really it is super juvenile this fight, really pathetic.. Cost caps destroyed F1.. For example, Red Bull should put in a claim for the replacement of the destroyed Perez car, and not carry the $4m or more costs, literally for about the cost of a season's worth of underpants for the team, the car would be insured, and a claim paid by 10am Monday... Really adults need to run the sport.
Not that I'm aware of, HAAS and Williams still got prize money in 2021 and 2020 respectively despite not scoring points as far as I can tell.
It is true. But you are also correct that teams get a bonus the longer they've been in the sport. Ferrari is the only team to have participated as a constructor in every season of F1 since it started in 1950 and thus gets the largest "heritage" bonus, but long running teams like McLaren and Williams also get their part. The prize money is only a part of the teams' budgets, but the backmarkers struggle with attracting high-paying sponsors and are more dependent on the prize money than the front runners are. Williams total revenue in the last few years has been around £100 million (with losses of tens of million per year), and potentially losing out to tens of millions by the addition of another team could push them over the edge financially unless more money was added to the prize pot. Everything in F1 (and any major sport these days) is about money. If Liberty or the FIA guaranteed each of the existing teams more money if an 11th team joined the sport, then the door would be wide open.
I do believe that is the case as when there were 11 teams on the grid, only 10 received money (Caterham F1 Team being the one left out). But that could be addressed with the next Concorde Agreement to extend the money across all 12 possible teams.
I believe only Ferrari, McLaren and Williams receive (and have received) the "heritage bonus" as they have operated continuously under the same team name.
There was a new Concorde agreement signed in 2021, but since we’ve only had 10 teams since then I don’t think that anyone outside of F1 really knows what it says regarding a hypothetical 11th team. Supposedly there was some support in 2010 and a few years after that for the teams that entered F1 at that time. Once that dried up though they went belly up (Caterham being a good example) and we went back to 10 teams again.
What the 10 team head cheeses have forgotten is that F1 is not about cars, it is not about drivers, it is about selling things like tobacco products and oils, to other things now, laptops and other tech. F1 is a tool for marketing, the cars, drivers, are there to service mobile billboards, F1 is advertising, not a sport, it is taxed as entertainment.. Max, Lewis, George are nothing more than those sexy hood ornaments you see at car shows, that lounge like lizards on the hoods of expensive mobile coffins from Italy/Germany...
F1 want to sell adverts, on cars, around the track, on tv, so having more teams, increases who watches F1, the by product of this is the actual race, but that is a by product, it was race Sunday, flog the car/tyres/petrol/oil or driving gloves on Monday, but that is still marketing 1st, sport 2nd.. F1 has never been a true sport, every race since 1950 has raced under some sort of sponsorship, it is about adverts..
So why the pre k toddlers running teams and the "sport" really should go to school, learn about what F1 is, what it was, and what it will be, that is nothing more than a factory for adverts to be stuck on the car, around the track.. Every race has some sort of company buying the rights.. Adverts.. We watch a season of stupid adverts.. F1 is about as real as WWF, really a pointless exercise, time for adults to do something...children don't always make great CEO's..
F1 want to sell adverts, on cars, around the track, on tv, so having more teams, increases who watches F1, the by product of this is the actual race, but that is a by product, it was race Sunday, flog the car/tyres/petrol/oil or driving gloves on Monday, but that is still marketing 1st, sport 2nd.. F1 has never been a true sport, every race since 1950 has raced under some sort of sponsorship, it is about adverts..
So why the pre k toddlers running teams and the "sport" really should go to school, learn about what F1 is, what it was, and what it will be, that is nothing more than a factory for adverts to be stuck on the car, around the track.. Every race has some sort of company buying the rights.. Adverts.. We watch a season of stupid adverts.. F1 is about as real as WWF, really a pointless exercise, time for adults to do something...children don't always make great CEO's..
Every CEO is a child of someone.
Just think about the 'interesting' claims you are making a little bit…
No contract extension for Ocon with Alpine as many of us expected.
Not sure what his options would be in F1 going forwards as I cannot imagine there is a queue for his services.
Esteban Ocon to split with Alpine at end of 2024 Formula 1 season
Esteban Ocon is to leave Alpine at the end of the year after five seasons with the French team.
www.bbc.co.uk
Not sure what his options would be in F1 going forwards as I cannot imagine there is a queue for his services.
His comment at the end of the article makes it sound like he's already set for 2025, wherever that may be.No contract extension for Ocon with Alpine as many of us expected.
Esteban Ocon to split with Alpine at end of 2024 Formula 1 season
Esteban Ocon is to leave Alpine at the end of the year after five seasons with the French team.www.bbc.co.uk
Not sure what his options would be in F1 going forwards as I cannot imagine there is a queue for his services.
They speculate Sauber/Audi, HAAS, or Williams. Imagine a Magnusen-Ocon pairing.BBC said:
"Very soon" - a.k.a. "Once Carlos makes up his mind."
Carlos to Sauber/Audi.