I paid more than this for my cMP (albeit with better specs (except the 5870)). I'm not shocked at the price considering the 2 video cards, but it seems a little short on SSD size.
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$2999 for entry model: what do you think?
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The SSD's are twice the speed of the new MBA and iMac...the price is just IMO.
don't know until we can see them or get more info.
however they are both PCIe Flash storage, not SSDs per say, but essentially the same concept.
however they are both PCIe Flash storage, not SSDs per say, but essentially the same concept.
I have $5000 in my checking account that will stay in my checking account.
These machines make no sense unless you know that the apps that are important to you run with OpenCL.
If not, the send the trashcan Mac Pros to the trash.
And currently, the answer is "not".
just because it's not worth it to you, doesn't mean it's not worth it to other people.
Would you pay $900 for a ski pass? Perhaps not, but many people do.
Would you pay $900 for a ski pass? Perhaps not, but many people do.
says who? iMacs, Airs, Pros.... still waiting for over 5 years and none of those have even dropped under $1,000 yet.
Not to mention apple does not have a consistent track record of updating the pro annually, so not sure what makes you so sure it will get an update and price drop next year. Might be lucky to get more than one update in the next 5 years.
Indeed, an expensive item for many, but for those of us who use it, totally worth it. Out here in Colorado we are lucky enough to get multi-mountain passes for the many great resorts that we have. Expensive, but well worth it if you are a frequent skier/snowboarder.
I live in one of those states and don't know what all you get from paying your vat. I hate sales tax but would happily pay 15% on everything if it meant not loosing my house following a sudden trip to the ER. We pay for things in other ways.
I'm in the same boat with the same dilemma. It's a bunch of power that must be paid for that doesn't seem at least, as directly translatable to general computing speed as CPU. If only they had a single gpu option or even a CPU+CPU+gpu config. The only thing I can figure is that idle gpu will somehow get translated into something useful, at the system level. If every app needs it's own opencl awareness, it's going to be a slow process.
Only if there are significant enough processor updates to justify it. Since the graphics cards are such an important part of the new Mac Pros then it's possible there'll be new GPU options, but then I don't know how often FirePros are updated, but I do think there's a W10000 on the way? Even so it's not like a machine bought this year will be quickly obsolete, as if a new GPU does come out Apple may just add it as an additional build to order option, maybe give some price breaks to the D500 and D700 options, and hopefully offer it as an optional replacement.
I very much doubt that unless Intel and AMD lower their prices first.
Sure, if you're happy to buy one second-hand with no warranty of any kind.
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Probably at least 2 years. Intel's refresh cycle is already about 18-20 months on Xeon, plus Apple may choose to let it whither on the vine like last gen.
Not with the Intel and Apple's past behavior. Intel late Q3, Apple January 2015 would be my guess.
Not very likely, Mac Pros have never gone down in price just up. Even if it is, what is your point? Lots of products will be cheaper next year.
Again not with how things have been in the past. 4.5 year old $2,500 Mac Pros fetch over $1,000. Maybe they won't fetch as much if they can't be upgraded, but again so what? If people can buy these and be more productive they will and all the stuff you mentioned has little relevance to Apple's market for this.
I'd be keeping a wager that the Mac Pro will get an incremental bump this time next year and nothing massive till 2015, mainly because Intel's roadmap for server grade processors is a little longer from memory.
$900 for a pass to get out of skiing for life? Sounds like a bargain to me!
(Not a fan of winter sports. Or winter.)
My configuration stands..
I really like the new design of the nMP. The Quad Core would be enough for me, however I would need a graphic upgrade to the D500 or even the D700.
Dont really need cards, so no additional expense on that end. All my externals will work on the USB3 bus. If the christmas bonus works out, I might add the WD Thunderbolt Duo VelociRaptor TB enclosure for fast additional space.
How much do you think will cost the D700 upgrade on top of the basic version?
It should be not more then 500 - 600 bucks. What do you guy's think? > or ≤ 1000 ?!
I really like the new design of the nMP. The Quad Core would be enough for me, however I would need a graphic upgrade to the D500 or even the D700.
Dont really need cards, so no additional expense on that end. All my externals will work on the USB3 bus. If the christmas bonus works out, I might add the WD Thunderbolt Duo VelociRaptor TB enclosure for fast additional space.
How much do you think will cost the D700 upgrade on top of the basic version?
It should be not more then 500 - 600 bucks. What do you guy's think? > or ≤ 1000 ?!
$3099 here in Canada, I thought it would $2499 honestly. The design is nice but Apple is starting to go with everything non-upgradable which I really don't like. I have a 2011 Mac mini and I'll be using that till it dies on me before purchasing another.
New chipset , TSX instructions , and DDR4 ... old track record, Intel that probably slides a quarter to Q4. Right now Intel is targeting Q3 '14:
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2013/2013073001_Launch_schedule_of_Intel_Xeon_server_processors.html
If reality is Q4 then Apple will probably do Q4 also.
Between TSX , chipset and DDR4, hardcore server beta customers probably shake out a major bug or two to fix which slides this out into Q4. (maybe another lmited release to supercomputer folks. )
If just CPU , chipset , and DDR4 to track, Apple should be tightly coupled to Intel's release. First, erasing the "unresponsive update" blemish on their record should be a top priority. Second, Haswell and associated chipset is going to be a much better match to the power constrained Mac Pro design. Apple would be doing themselves no favors in delaying it.
The socket has the same pin count, but different electrical connections (2011-3 which is mostly driven by changes for DDR4 ). No radical changes will be needed for the CPU+chipset board redesign. In fact, Apple may get a better matched chipset that simply just doesn't have all/most of the SATA stuff they are not even using. If they can get that simpler chipset at a price decrease, they will be all over that like "cold on ice". Chipset should also have USB 3.0 incorporated even more so they can dump the discrete USB 3.0 controller here in 2013 Mac Pro and free up an oversubscribed PCIe v2 lane. Cheaper ... when has Apple delayed on taking that? (we'll see if Apple passes on USB 3.1 for a couple of years. Probably will since it is complete mismatch to the three Thunderbolt controller approach of the Mac Pro. ). Wouldn't be surprising if there as a tweaked TB v2 controller chip by Q4 2014 also that has some quirks fixed also. (this TB v2 is first of its generation. Very high probability it is not optimized either. Intel has been doing yearly updates to TB pretty consistently so far. ) In short, the current Mac Pro is making do with "close enough" parts to get the concept out the door. Passing on more optimal parts just for giggles makes no sense. The overall new Mac Pro design is oriented toward 2014-2015 era parts and trends.
Apple dragging their feet in 2010 was in part because the Intel Xeon 3600 really had nothing but one entry to move to. It gave them an incomplete set of parts to upgrade the single processor Mac Pros to. Late 2010-2011, by all appearances they had written off the product. Got back onboard in 2012 to a very different path with highly modified approach. Prior to 2010, Apple had new "Mac Pro / PowerMac G3-G4" drops in every single year. When engaged, they were consistent.
What would throw them out of sync would be a drift to collect a "Pro graphics" update. Shouldn't be a problem by June '14 AMD pro line would be two years old and way overdue for an update. Unless there is some "next generation" design bake off between AMD/NVidia that makes Apple drool, a speed bump update shouldn't be too hard by Q4 '14. 2015 seems more likely as a GPU "only" (or major focus) update year.
It's not just the machine cost
I want to but I can't upgrade. The same goes for my office. The new Mac Pro requires 10.9. Maverick requires upgrading most of the working software we use every day to the latest version. For a person working alone it would be Ok. However for an office with 6 work stations it's no bonuses for the team or maybe one less designer. We can't have one person using new software. Not team friendly.
So it's actually $3,000 + 1500 + new external drive enclosures + what ever else. I am thinking $6,000 to make the switch. And if you include software for 6 more CPUs. Forgetaboutit.
Mac Rumors is going to need a new forum new pro and poor pro.
I want to but I can't upgrade. The same goes for my office. The new Mac Pro requires 10.9. Maverick requires upgrading most of the working software we use every day to the latest version. For a person working alone it would be Ok. However for an office with 6 work stations it's no bonuses for the team or maybe one less designer. We can't have one person using new software. Not team friendly.
So it's actually $3,000 + 1500 + new external drive enclosures + what ever else. I am thinking $6,000 to make the switch. And if you include software for 6 more CPUs. Forgetaboutit.
Mac Rumors is going to need a new forum new pro and poor pro.