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$2999 for entry model: what do you think?

AlexMaximus said:
I really like the new design of the nMP. The Quad Core would be enough for me, however I would need a graphic upgrade to the D500 or even the D700.
Dont really need cards, so no additional expense on that end. All my externals will work on the USB3 bus. If the christmas bonus works out, I might add the WD Thunderbolt Duo VelociRaptor TB enclosure for fast additional space.
How much do you think will cost the D700 upgrade on top of the basic version?
It should be not more then 500 - 600 bucks. What do you guy's think? > or ≤ 1000 ?! :eek:
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I think you might find the D500 upgrade in the $500-$600 range considering for $1,000 you only get 4GB RAM, move to a 6-core and D500s.
 
rjtiedeman said:
I want to but I can't upgrade. The same goes for my office. The new Mac Pro requires 10.9. Maverick requires upgrading most of the working software we use every day to the latest version. For a person working alone it would be Ok. However for an office with 6 work stations it's no bonuses for the team or maybe one less designer. We can't have one person using new software. Not team friendly.

So it's actually $3,000 + 1500 + new external drive enclosures + what ever else. I am thinking $6,000 to make the switch. And if you include software for 6 more CPUs. Forgetaboutit.

Mac Rumors is going to need a new forum new pro and poor pro.
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This is funny.
 
AlexMaximus said:
How much do you think will cost the D700 upgrade on top of the basic version?
It should be not more then 500 - 600 bucks. What do you guy's think? > or ≤ 1000 ?! :eek:
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The D500 upgrade is likely closer to the $500-600 range. D700 is very likely at least double that. Probably, a bit more because the D700 doesn't have chopped down VRAM. It is full equivalent of a W9000 which goes for around $3000. Even if Apple sold those at $2,000-2,500, two are $4-5K. The discount trade-off that two D300 can make is not going to make a big dent in that sized of an amount of two (wouldn't even hit the $500-600 range of just one) . Given the rest of the know Mac Pro pricing more likely Apple will price those close to the W9000 retail prices which are even more out of range. If customers only can by these cards as identical twin packages, then the D700 aren't going to be affordable by most Mac Pro buyers.
 
I just hope Apple has more information and announcements on OpenCl adoption by the time the nMac Pro start shipping. Apple should really be pushing OpenCL adoption for the important audio market.
 
deconstruct60 said:
The D500 upgrade is likely closer to the $500-600 range. D700 is very likely at least double that. Probably, a bit more because the D700 doesn't have chopped down VRAM. It is full equivalent of a W9000 which goes for around $3000. Even if Apple sold those at $2,000-2,500, two are $4-5K. The discount trade-off that two D300 can make is not going to make a big dent in that sized of an amount of two (wouldn't even hit the $500-600 range of just one) . Given the rest of the know Mac Pro pricing more likely Apple will price those close to the W9000 retail prices which are even more out of range. If customers only can by these cards as identical twin packages, then the D700 aren't going to be affordable by most Mac Pro buyers.
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damn so that is going to be 2500-3k each lol :(
 
xxBURT0Nxx said:
Indeed, an expensive item for many, but for those of us who use it, totally worth it. Out here in Colorado we are lucky enough to get multi-mountain passes for the many great resorts that we have. Expensive, but well worth it if you are a frequent skier/snowboarder.
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No doubt.
 
One thing that jumps out at me looking at the new Mac pro configuration pages is that apple is treating these computers very a la carte. No good, better, best, no 4 staring points like the iMac. You want a 6 core, we'll throw in 4 gb of ram lol. It's cool that you could put a d700 in a quad-core. But you also get nothing bundled. You don't get more ram or a bigger ssd when you choose the 8 core or 12. I assume you can't mix the gpu's .. ie 1 d500 and 1 d700.

The great thing there is you can just pick the quad, select the actual processor and gpu you want and then upgrade the ssd and ram via 3rd party and only pay for 12gb of ram.
 
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rjtiedeman said:
I want to but I can't upgrade. The same goes for my office. The new Mac Pro requires 10.9. Maverick requires upgrading most of the working software we use every day to the latest version. For a person working alone it would be Ok.
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As a person working alone (freelance graphic designer), replacing "most" of my working software is decidedly not ok!
What software do you use that won't work under 10.9?
As I'll be upgrading from 10.6.8 I'd be very interested in what you have found that won't work.

I refuse to be held hostage by Adobe so hope to stick at CS5/6. From what I can find that should be okay to play with Maverick (64 bit). Other stuff I'm not so sure about (certain PS plugins, suitcase fusion etc)

Every time things change radically something gets lost. The problem ones are where companies have gone to the wall so no upgrades. Ever. (Kai power tools anyone?)
 
spaz8 said:
One thing that jumps out at me looking at the new Mac pro configuration pages is that apple is treating these computers very a la carte. No good, better, best, no 4 staring points like the iMac.
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The iMac matches up with the MBA where there are two screen sizes with two starting points each. If there was a "taller" or "wider" option there could be 4 here also. :)

The Mac Pro is probably going to physically look like the Mac Mini's page. Again two starting points from which to load into BTO. It won't be surprising if there is a 3rd option for 'server' ... although what is special hardware config from basic I'm not so sure (perhaps filling in the 4th DIMMs slot. LOL. ). Minimally, it would be sold with OS X Server pre-installed.

Cynically I'd say "Good, Better, Best" standard is being dropped for "Good , Better" ( standard of just listing two ) primarily because putting two options is all that cleanly fits on an iPad screen without having to scroll horizontally or using smaller fonts. ( Apple Retail "iPad beside the product" kiosk ). Similarly, the fixed models that retail store selling are driving a smaller set of choices so they can display the broader set of products that Apple is pushing in the store.

You can always get to "Best" or even better than "Best" by some BTO selections before checkout on the online store. What is missing is that "Best" model easily making it out through the 3rd vendor channels.


But you also get nothing bundled.
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The great thing there is you can just pick the quad, select the actual processor and gpu you want and
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Apple BTO have historically tended to have even higher Apple tax slapped on them than stuff in fixed configurations. That is actually what you'd expect because there is no 'unknown' how long a part had to linger in assembly facilities before gets selected.

If Apple has priced all Mac Pro as if they are all BTO over the base config that seems likely to lead to a bit of price inflation.


then upgrade the ssd and ram via 3rd party and only pay for 12gb of ram.
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Probably won't be a 3rd party SSD option right away.
 
spaz8 said:
One thing that jumps out at me looking at the new Mac pro configuration pages is that apple is treating these computers very a la carte. No good, better, best, no 4 staring points like the iMac.
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...and no button to click that asks for your credit card number.

The trash can Mac Pro hasn't been released - you shouldn't assume that the pre-release details that Apple is trickling out are the final bits.
 
AidenShaw said:
The trash can Mac Pro hasn't been released -
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chuckle. The distinction you are trying to make between announced and release is funny. Your task to point to Apple's website to where can order a new 2012 version Mac Pro.

It isn't shipping, but the information about the Mac Pro is far from embargoed.


you shouldn't assume that the pre-release details that Apple is trickling out are the final bits.
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You really believe the kool-aid you are selling there is going to bough into by anyone but the completely clueless?

Apple doesn't float test run web sites or do mass focus group feedback solicitations. Last October Apple announced but did not ship iMacs until December. There is was zero tech spec change. The format for this situation has been repeated number times. It isn't the normal for Apple products, but announce and ship on the same day doesn't always happen.
 
deconstruct60 said:
chuckle. The distinction you are trying to make between announced and release is funny. Your task to point to Apple's website to where can order a new 2012 version Mac Pro.

It isn't shipping, but the information about the Mac Pro is far from embargoed.




You really believe the kool-aid you are selling there is going to bough into by anyone but the completely clueless?

Apple doesn't float test run web sites or do mass focus group feedback solicitations. Last October Apple announced but did not ship iMacs until December. There is was zero tech spec change. The format for this situation has been repeated number times. It isn't the normal for Apple products, but announce and ship on the same day doesn't always happen.
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So, what's the price for a 12 core with 128 GiB of RAM?

Pwnd.
 
AidenShaw said:
How can they call it "Pro" with such a horrible limit on RAM?

(ps: you can get 32 GiB DIMMs from other vendors - why not from Apple?)
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weren't you just saying that we don't really know the final specs of the mac pro yet and you shouldn't assume that the pre-release details that Apple is trickling out are the final bits????
 
listen, we all wanted a kick ass machine, THIS IS IT! I guess its put up or shut up!? If you want something else, buy it, found something hotter, BUY IT, can do better yourself, BUILD IT, this is :apple:'s offering, don't want it move on, THIS IS AS GOOD AS IT GETS FROM APPLE!;)
 
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Cheffy Dave said:
listen, we all wanted a kick ass machine, THIS IS IT! I guess its put up or shut up!? If you want something elser, buy it, found something hotter, BUY IT, can do better yourself, BUILD IT, this is :apple:'s offering, don't want it move on, THIS IS AS GOOD AS IT GETS FROM APPLE!;)
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Right on !!

Guess the mods can close the thread. All settled.
 
jetjaguar said:
damn so that is going to be 2500-3k each lol :(
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Not necessarily; okay so I don't expect Apple to offer a huge discount, but they're building and maintaining these cards themselves, and presumably handling all the driver support (on the OS X side at least) themselves.

So for Apple the main cost is the hardware. That said $500-600 for the D500s sounds about right, and while I don't expect the D700s to be a bargain, they'll hopefully be closer to $1,500, maybe $2,000 at most (but hopefully not).
 
I think it is very overpriced for what you get.

There are a few design choices that really surprise me about this machine in a bad way. It offers an SSD Stick which is nice from a performance perspective but there is room in there for a second stick yet they choose to only offer one stick.

There's no HD storage and no second CPU but they give you two GPU's whether you need them or not.

At the keynote they showed three professionals using the new Mac Pro. One doing photo manipulation, one doing sound production and one doing video editing. None of these usage scenarios needed the insane OpenCL performance presented by the new Mac Pro but the GPU choice has already been made, you're getting two insanely expensive professional cards regardless if you need them. But really all of those usage scenarios that Apple showed us would have benefitted from more CPU cores, not more graphics cores.

I really am just not understanding where Apple is coming from with this machine. It is very very pricey for what you get in hardware terms.

Honestly in the future I'm just going to build a hackintosh, the community around self-built Macs is getting better every year and it is already ridiculously easy, the new Mac Pro essentially says "What are you, stupid? Build a Hackintosh!" with its price to feature ratio.

I hope this isn't a controversial post I know I'm echoing a lot of what other people have already said and I'm not looking for an argument about my negative feedback, I'm just being honest and I am open minded about things, I did not make up my mind about the Mac Pro until last weeks keynote where the pricing and configurations were finally revealed.
 
SamTheeGeek said:
Do you guys think quad core, d300 bundle is enough for a 4k tv 65" 4k movie playback using vlc?
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Someone already said they got their MBP to run a 4K display, I think the nMP, even with the D300 should be able to as well.
 
slughead said:
It will almost certainly not make any difference for playback--I'm not even sure if playback is a multithreaded task.
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Hmmm such a pickle hehe, other than 4k video playback, final cut pro x and motion not that heavy stuff. At the moment Im using a mac mini core i5, man once i hit render the computer is unusable and the render is sooo slow even after render its unusable for another 10min arrrg
 
SamTheeGeek said:
Hmmm such a pickle hehe, other than 4k video playback, final cut pro x and motion not that heavy stuff. At the moment Im using a mac mini core i5, man once i hit render the computer is unusable and the render is sooo slow even after render its unusable for another 10min arrrg
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since i think the d700s are going to be out of my price range I think the pre made config hex core is going to be the one to get for me
 
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