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I don't know about "scumbag company". I think they do a lot right on many fronts.

But here I 100% agree. Letting people repurpose old iMacs as displays would keep them out of landfill for quite a while. They love to talk about how much recycled aluminum they use, but something like this would have a big impact. My work has like half a dozen 5K iMac sitting aroud that are getting too slow to use as work stations but would make goreous displys that are way nicer than the ones we have on our Minis.
Why are they ending up as landfill instead of being recycled.

Apple can do so much but if people send computers to landfill rather then recycling then they cannot be that concerned about the environmen.
 
I stopped buying iMacs... you're stuck into a much more expensive computer that is not upgradeable. I got a very fast mini for $1500 with m2 Pro proc and 32GB RAM... byo display and you can keep the display and sell/upgrade the computer portion. That being said, they should've done the 32" display years ago. They lost millions in revenue. People want 32"-35" displays now.
 
There was never a proper replacement for the 27inch iMac. A decent workhorse 27in would set you back about £1800. You could max out with good 3rd party ram at 1/4 price Apple charged. Now, entry Mac Studio with Apple 27in monitor is £3500. Yep, you could go Mac Mini and 3rd party monitor but you still need to have cam and stuff. the 27in was so popular but my company won't go for £3500 per seat just for the computer setup. They really shot themselves in the foot with this one.
 
The Pro Display XDR always had mini-LED. It has 384 FALD zones, if I recall correctly.

384 LEDs doesn't necessarily make the LEDs 'mini' in size. For a 6" screen. Very probably yes they are abnormally small , because there is not that much area to distribute hundreds of LEDs into. For a 32" display.... no.

Mini (and Micro) LEDs have to with size of the LEDs; not the number of zones.

" ... Mini LEDs are smaller than the average LED, with diodes that measure in the 0.008-inch (200 microns) range, or about a fifth the size of what a standard LED measures. ...
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Not to be confused with mini-LED, micro-LEDs are even tinier, and offer a much bigger change to TV technology. Current micro-LED sizes are as small as 50μm — about 0.002 inches across — making them 1/100th the size of a conventional LED. ..."

A standard/conventional LED is not that big relative to a 32" display.


For 384 zones then can have a rectangle of 32 x 12 grid. For a 6016 x 3384 screen( @ 218 pixels/inch). That is 188 x 282 pixel rectangle ( pretty close to being a 1" x 1" square ) . That really isn't smaller than a standard/conventional LED ( in the 0.1 inch range. ) .

For 576 things wouldn't work out much 'worse' for regular LEDs either. (32 x 18 grid) Still not going to be in the small fraction of an inch zone ( 188 x 118 a bit under a inch but not by wide margin.).





The MacBook Pros have had mini-LED displays with many more zones (thousands), and it shows.

Yes. For a substantially smaller size screen the LEDs in the thousands need be smaller.



They are awesome displays, until OLED becomes viable (cost/burn-in). I keep wondering where the real, cheaper, mini-LED Apple monitors are.

More a matter of margins for Apple. One doing recoup on investments made into the current XDR. And waiting for production costs to go lower panel cost for next gen XDR.

A decade from now we might get micro-LED, and perhaps reach endgame, until headsets just laser the display onto our retinas.

Somewhat dubious that lsser onto retina is a healthy alternative for extended long term exposure.
 
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I hope they drop the "pro" ******** and offer it in colors. I don't want a $10,000 iMac. I just want an M3 (maybe an M3 "Pro") with a reasonably sized (for 2024) screen. And I want it in blue.
 
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My usual take: don’t buy a very good display that is forever stuck with a good but non-upgradable and non-repairable computer. Get a Mac mini or studio and a good monitor.
Or get an iMac if your company is paying for it and its future replacement.
I’ve never had issues with iMacs so I’m still in love with them if they made a new one! It’s the best value computer they do!
 
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32" is a bit larger than your standard iMac owner needs or wants. 27" is just fine.

Apple makes too many things take-it-or-leave-it, when they should be made options.
 
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It was $2200 not long ago. 27" LG 5K is now under $1000.

lots of "4K" posts again, not realizing the difference between 4K and 5K. Its significant, hence the reason 27" 4K monitors are $150, and 27" 5K are 10X as much.

I hear all you "get a mini and screen" people, but until March 2022 --- there was ONE 27" 5K screen to be had -- the crap LG @ $1400.. So, if you did have a nice 27" intel iMac, or wanted a new mini with a 27" 5K screen = meh.
Yeah, I've got a 27" 4k side-by-side with a 27" 5k, and they're really not comparable.

For me, it's too bad all the new non-Apple retina-density displays (5k 27" Sammy & 6k 32" Dell) are matte instead of glossy (though I know some prefer matte).
My 2020 iMac has a 1 TB drive, radeon 5500 and 128 GB of ram (that I use all of) Comparable spec mini doesn't exist. Its mini pro or studio @ $2500 + apple 27" screen = $4000.
It's more like $6,400 if you need to replace a 128 GB RAM iMac with Apple Silicon. Minimum price to get 1 TB SSD/128 GB RAM is a $4,800 Ultra. Then add $1,600 for the ASD.

[I've also got an iMac (2019) with 128 GB RAM--that I also use. It's got a 2 TB SSD, so its replacement price is currently $6,800. Hopefully RAM densities increase when they go to LPDDR5x, such that you can get that much RAM in a Max, i.e., w/o having to upgrade to an Ultra. That would save at least $1,400 (more if they reduce what they charge for RAM.)]
 
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Hopefully RAM densities increase when they go to LPDDR5x, such that you can get that much RAM in a Max, i.e., w/o having to upgrade to an Ultra. That would save at least $1,400 (more if they reduce what they charge for RAM.)]
Yes yes yes

Although I suspect it isn’t a memory density issue and is some associated with addressing and data path associated with the Arm chips. LPDDR5x won’t help but perhaps improvements within the M3 series
 
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If Apple wasnt a scumbag company they'd do the right thing and at least let users have the option of using the computer as a display only.

Too much to ask for, Apparently.
To be honest I’m very perplexed by your apparent level of disdain for Apple in light of your prolific activity in this website/community. If I may ask in absolute sincerity—why do you partake in Macrumors? Is it fun in some way? Or are you purely driven by hate? A sense of duty to expose Apple? Is it complicated, ie. you love their products but hate the company? No obligation to answer of course, but it would be very appreciated as I’m truly and sincerely curious. Thanks
 
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2025?? Who cares right now. I'd like a 27" iMac with miniLED though... 32" is too big. (for my workspace)
 
hmmmm, 32” iMac okay -will it have an XDR display - unlikely. Will it have an Ultra M series chip - no, no room.

So it’s just a massive screen with the same chips I could get in a Mac Mini, MBP or Studio and just buy a seperate monitor… What’s the point?

Okay I’m out
 
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The ventilation/thermals of the 27-inch 5K iMacs were always problematic for sustained medium-heavy workloads, and on both my “late 2014” and (especially) my 2020 i9 iMacs I always found it necessary to speed up the fans to keep CPU temperatures somewhat reasonable. What did not exist when I bought those two iMacs: the Mac Studio and its companion 27-inch display.
 
Agree. I'm still on an M1 Mac mini and studio display. I'll move to m3 pro or whatever but won't have to upgrade my display.

This is the right way to do it. Display technology has great advances here and there, and great sales! Not having to replace a great display you got last year because the computer needs a new whatever, and vice versa, is stellar flexibility you don't get with an iMac.
 
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2025? What is taking so long for a larger iMac?
How many 32 inch mini-LED displays with 6K resolution do you see available right now? It might be taking some time to engineer such a thing and work with a supplier to build it.
 
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2025? What is taking so long for a larger iMac?
I speculated that the 32" 6K display that complies to Apple's exacting standard cannot be sourced for less than $1k.

Apple getting it lower than that would allow for a iMac 32" 6K priced between

- M3: $1,799 to $1,999 equivalent to a Core i5
- M3 Pro: $2,299 to $2,799 equivalent to a Core i7
- M3 Max: $2,499 to $3,199 equivalent to a Core i9
- M3 Ultra: $4,999 to $7,399 equivalent to a Xeon

PC OEM prices for 27" 5K panels start at $407.31.

2023 Dell 32" 6K display is $2,560 vs 2019 Apple 32" 6K $4,999

Apple took 7 years before an AMOLED iPhone came out in 2017 due to design limitations. First Android had it in 2010.

The mistake on Apple's part is that they did not continue selling the iMac 27" 5K with a M1 or M2 series chips.

There is a demand for a 27" or larger iMac for people who do not want separates because they'll keep it longer than 6 years "as is".

I am fairly certain there are millions here who upgrade their Macs annually. We aint them. We will keep em beyond 6 years "as is".
 
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