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zbarvian

macrumors 68010
Jul 23, 2011
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2
We've reached a point where iOS-devotees must split hairs to demonstrate that iOS is better.

Things like the number of apps that the App Store has over the Play Store (marginal, really). Or things like ads being in apps (trivial. Buy the full version then. Once again, there are choices to capture all walks of life: free with ads or paid without). Or how Android is "less responsive" by milliseconds. This is what it's coming down to? Milliseconds?

Please.

And I say again... if it was the iPhone that had these features while the competition didn't, we'd be singing praises for Apple trying to introduce new ideas and features.

You really outta lay off the whole hypocritical Apple fanboy argument. It's not a logical argument.
 

paulsalter

macrumors 68000
Aug 10, 2008
1,622
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UK
As for apps, there's so many great music apps I use on iOS that don't exist on Android.

Do these music apps integrate with the music stored on your device?

If I dont like the Google music app, I find one I do like and all my music is automatically there
 

b24pgg

macrumors 65816
Original poster
Jan 28, 2009
1,108
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CA
We've reached a point where iOS-devotees must split hairs to demonstrate that iOS is better....how Android is "less responsive" by milliseconds. This is what it's coming down to? Milliseconds?
I'm the biggest Android fan there is (and with Jelly Bean, I'm skeptical that there's any difference in responsiveness at this point) but this is not a good argument. The average touchscreen input lag is currently 100ms. Scientists are working to bring it down, but any improvement by milliseconds is a huge improvement.
 

MonkeySee....

macrumors 68040
Sep 24, 2010
3,858
437
UK

In the still of the video I thought the iPhone was on the right at first with that camera button Samsung copied.

Couldn't they think of a different shaped button?

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Not sure if trolling. At exactly what time in the video does the S3 appear choppy to you?

The bit when there was a pointless demo of a video running on top of other applications.
 

thefredelement

macrumors 65816
Apr 10, 2012
1,196
648
New York
The i5 feels better to use but Android has become more powerful in the way of function.

iOS is more polished but the simplicity is more of a fault than a pro at this point.

With the Android notification system and default power management widget, any android device is instantly more usable than the i5 in terms of getting to data, acting on it and accessing common device controls (wiif, airplane, gps, bluetooth, etc.).

There's a HUGE lag in Android's reputation, comparing any version of iOS to anything before Android 4 and I'd have to side with iOS in terms of responsiveness and polish. Even though it took more steps to get things done back then compared to their android counterparts the lack of lag and bugs seemed to make it less annoying.

The Android 4.0+ devices are amazing. Fast, lag free, extremely functional and overall powerful. You can get in and out quickly without jumping through hoops (albeit, very polished and good looking hoops on iOS).

This all being said, if you're more of an app user, aren't under the gun for time throughout the day, don't take the subway, have wifi pretty much always available and and don't want to fuss with 3rd party syncing of your iTunes, you just can't go wrong with the iPhone. But if you like any of these android features, are a more typical type of power user, don't mind installing a 3rd party app to get things to sync up then Android's features and flexibility will make your life easier.

Everyone is different and use's their phones differently, while I wished I could have kept and used the iPhone 5, iOS right now isn't there for me. I replaced it with an Android and have my home screen ready to rock with my most common used settings, most dialed contacts, the play store, browser & maps. I can interact with any new messages, emails, missed calls from the drop down notification (which is persistent on Android). Heck, even the calendar widget saves me from having to open the Calendar app itself, the same for widgets of my Google voice and Gmail inboxes. I have Twitter & Facebook widgets also added, plus Play Music and I'm set. It takes all the things I used in iOS, puts them front and center and it saves me time when I need to.

I do miss the feel and polish of the iPhone 5, though in my vert short time with it, I didn't like how I couldn't make it my own. My Mac is my own. iOS is too generic between everyone to really be the way it needs to be for an individual user who wants it their own way, which is fine for an app launching platform like a tablet, but it's hard for some to have their phone kind of locked in. There are plenty of people who this fits just fine with, and I'm kind of jealous of them...

An Android phone can become YOUR android, an iPhone is Apple's iPhone.
 

THE JUICEMAN

macrumors 68020
Oct 3, 2007
2,371
1,122
The i5 feels better to use but Android has become more powerful in the way of function.

iOS is more polished but the simplicity is more of a fault than a pro at this point.

With the Android notification system and default power management widget, any android device is instantly more usable than the i5 in terms of getting to data, acting on it and accessing common device controls (wiif, airplane, gps, bluetooth, etc.).

There's a HUGE lag in Android's reputation, comparing any version of iOS to anything before Android 4 and I'd have to side with iOS in terms of responsiveness and polish. Even though it took more steps to get things done back then compared to their android counterparts the lack of lag and bugs seemed to make it less annoying.

The Android 4.0+ devices are amazing. Fast, lag free, extremely functional and overall powerful. You can get in and out quickly without jumping through hoops (albeit, very polished and good looking hoops on iOS).

This all being said, if you're more of an app user, aren't under the gun for time throughout the day, don't take the subway, have wifi pretty much always available and and don't want to fuss with 3rd party syncing of your iTunes, you just can't go wrong with the iPhone. But if you like any of these android features, are a more typical type of power user, don't mind installing a 3rd party app to get things to sync up then Android's features and flexibility will make your life easier.

Everyone is different and use's their phones differently, while I wished I could have kept and used the iPhone 5, iOS right now isn't there for me. I replaced it with an Android and have my home screen ready to rock with my most common used settings, most dialed contacts, the play store, browser & maps. I can interact with any new messages, emails, missed calls from the drop down notification (which is persistent on Android). Heck, even the calendar widget saves me from having to open the Calendar app itself, the same for widgets of my Google voice and Gmail inboxes. I have Twitter & Facebook widgets also added, plus Play Music and I'm set. It takes all the things I used in iOS, puts them front and center and it saves me time when I need to.

I do miss the feel and polish of the iPhone 5, though in my vert short time with it, I didn't like how I couldn't make it my own. My Mac is my own. iOS is too generic between everyone to really be the way it needs to be for an individual user who wants it their own way, which is fine for an app launching platform like a tablet, but it's hard for some to have their phone kind of locked in. There are plenty of people who this fits just fine with, and I'm kind of jealous of them...

An Android phone can become YOUR android, an iPhone is Apple's iPhone.

+1 very well said.
 

Vegastouch

macrumors 603
Jul 12, 2008
6,185
992
Las Vegas, NV
My brother is a designer, and there's nothing wrong with keeping an eye out for good design and aesthetics. As for apps, there's so many great music apps I use on iOS that don't exist on Android.
There are enough music apps in the playstore. How many do you need? Me i dont stream music, i out it on my microcard so i dont use Pandora or Spotify. I cant download songs with apps in the store that work fine. As for a design, you can make your own ir find something you like. There are plenty of other things out there and its much easier to do with no rooting or jailbreaking, unlike the iPhone. Being as picky as yiu are, i find it bizarree you dont talk about the shortcomings if the iPhone and in fact call it flawless and fully baked.
 

onthecouchagain

macrumors 604
Mar 29, 2011
7,382
2
You really outta lay off the whole hypocritical Apple fanboy argument. It's not a logical argument.

Is it not true? Do we not see it all the time? Nfc or lte = the world isn't ready for those. But thunderbolt connection and apple is pushing the frontiers of technology. We've seen this time and time again. Look too at how many people are now praising the larger screen who would have condemned it prior.

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I'm the biggest Android fan there is (and with Jelly Bean, I'm skeptical that there's any difference in responsiveness at this point) but this is not a good argument. The average touchscreen input lag is currently 100ms. Scientists are working to bring it down, but any improvement by milliseconds is a huge improvement.

What is the difference between iphone and latest android phones? Even if its 100s of milliseconds of difference that doesn't sound like the deal breaker that some here make it out to be. Like I said, splitting hairs.

Of course I'm all for improvements so don't get me wrong.
 

matttye

macrumors 601
Mar 25, 2009
4,957
32
Lincoln, England
I'm the biggest Android fan there is (and with Jelly Bean, I'm skeptical that there's any difference in responsiveness at this point) but this is not a good argument. The average touchscreen input lag is currently 100ms. Scientists are working to bring it down, but any improvement by milliseconds is a huge improvement.

There is a noticeable difference in UI response between iOS and Android, with iOS being noticeably quicker.

Some apps for Android are coded quite badly too, like Tapatalk. That thing freezes and stutters quite a bit on Android, but it's smooth as butter on iOS.
 

matttye

macrumors 601
Mar 25, 2009
4,957
32
Lincoln, England
Is it not true? Do we not see it all the time? Nfc or lte = the world isn't ready for those. But thunderbolt connection and apple is pushing the frontiers of technology. We've seen this time and time again. Look too at how many people are now praising the larger screen who would have condemned it prior.

People often talk about things like this as if iPhone fans are a single entity. SOME iPhone fans may have criticised larger screen, but others might not have. The people you see praising larger screens today are probably not the ones criticising them previously.
 

zbarvian

macrumors 68010
Jul 23, 2011
2,004
2
There are enough music apps in the playstore. How many do you need? Me i dont stream music, i out it on my microcard so i dont use Pandora or Spotify. I cant download songs with apps in the store that work fine. As for a design, you can make your own ir find something you like. There are plenty of other things out there and its much easier to do with no rooting or jailbreaking, unlike the iPhone. Being as picky as yiu are, i find it bizarree you dont talk about the shortcomings if the iPhone and in fact call it flawless and fully baked.

I'm not talking about music streaming or listening, I'm talking about creation. I do very much acknowledge the shortcomings of iOS, you're distorting my arguments. I said it feels fully baked (which it does), but never once claimed it was flawless. There are fundamental differences of both platforms, which bestow each with some advantages and disadvantages over the other. Android is not the best, neither is iOS. I'm simply pointing out some ways iOS is better than Android, as a rebuttal to the thread topic.
 

xuselppa

macrumors member
Oct 10, 2012
48
0
There is a noticeable difference in UI response between iOS and Android, with iOS being noticeably quicker.

Some apps for Android are coded quite badly too, like Tapatalk. That thing freezes and stutters quite a bit on Android, but it's smooth as butter on iOS.

Stutter on Android for Tapatalk? This is the first time I have heard this. Which phone has this issue?

I ask, because I use Tapatalk as my daily driver for forum visits on my S3 and it is one of the best and smoothest, 3rd party apps on the platform. Not to mention I can use both the forum or tapatalk to host 5 images in a post from any folder on my phone and do it 10x quicker than using the web based forum. iOS severly lacks in this area. I love Tapatalk. If I had the issues you describe, I def wouldn't use it.

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There are enough music apps in the playstore. How many do you need? Me i dont stream music, i out it on my microcard so i dont use Pandora or Spotify. I cant download songs with apps in the store that work fine. As for a design, you can make your own ir find something you like. There are plenty of other things out there and its much easier to do with no rooting or jailbreaking, unlike the iPhone. Being as picky as yiu are, i find it bizarree you dont talk about the shortcomings if the iPhone and in fact call it flawless and fully baked.
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I'm not talking about music streaming or listening, I'm talking about creation.

Concur. Apple spent a lot of time and effort in this area, and no 3rd party Android app can come close to how well Apple made their suite of music creation.

Music players on the other hand, is a diff story.
 

TheHateMachine

macrumors 6502a
Sep 18, 2012
846
1,354
Zbarvian, you are almost on Technarcy's level.

You need to take the rest of your substance out of your posts and make them look like this.

Apple is god, everything else sucks and you are all dirty plebs for buying Android!

*hugs a plushy Steve Jobs toy*

- sent from my glorious Apple product.

The transition will be complete at that point.
 

zbarvian

macrumors 68010
Jul 23, 2011
2,004
2
Zbarvian, you are almost on Technarcy's level.

You need to take the rest of your substance out of your posts and make them look like this.



The transition will be complete at that point.

You have a very befitting name. Attacking someone personally to try to devalue their points is a fallacy called ad hominem abusive.
 

TheHateMachine

macrumors 6502a
Sep 18, 2012
846
1,354
You have a very befitting name. Attacking someone personally to try to devalue their points is a fallacy called ad hominem abusive.

Ahh the old latin drop, way to show your intellectual prowess of skimming wikipedia.

If my point was truly a fallacy you could negate it and move on, however you have decided to reply with the textbook "Lolz you is ad hominem"...

Your points were already devalued from the get go. Much like your mentor Technarcy you essentially offer up "Android is bad, however I cannot elaborate to how it is bad or why. I just sez so!" When someone points this out you start splitting hairs down to app counts or miniscule details that in the grand scheme of things don't really matter.

I didn't know this sub forum was not for the discussion of alternatives to iOS but instead it was for Random Apple Fan #4563's place to bash Android without any substance.
 

zbarvian

macrumors 68010
Jul 23, 2011
2,004
2
Ahh the old latin drop, way to show your intellectual prowess of skimming wikipedia.

If my point was truly a fallacy you could negate it and move on, however you have decided to reply with the textbook "Lolz you is ad hominem"...

Your points were already devalued from the get go. Much like your mentor Technarcy you essentially offer up "Android is bad, however I cannot elaborate to how it is bad or why. I just sez so!" When someone points this out you start splitting hairs down to app counts or miniscule details that in the grand scheme of things don't really matter.

I didn't know this sub forum was not for the discussion of alternatives to iOS but instead it was for Random Apple Fan #4563's place to bash Android without any substance.

Sorry for taking a Logic class? And I don't even know who Technarchy is, so that point is null. I've made it abundantly clear as to the deficiencies in Android, I NEVER just say "Android is bad, iOS rulezzzz."

You guys need to remember where you're posting. If you can't take a little heat from some iOS users then I recommend trying a different forum.
 

matttye

macrumors 601
Mar 25, 2009
4,957
32
Lincoln, England
Stutter on Android for Tapatalk? This is the first time I have heard this. Which phone has this issue?

I ask, because I use Tapatalk as my daily driver for forum visits on my S3 and it is one of the best and smoothest, 3rd party apps on the platform. Not to mention I can use both the forum or tapatalk to host 5 images in a post from any folder on my phone and do it 10x quicker than using the web based forum. iOS severly lacks in this area. I love Tapatalk. If I had the issues you describe, I def wouldn't use it.

"Glitching and freezing" was probably a bit of an overstatement on my part. What I mean is that the scrolling is quite choppy and it occasionally gets stuck whilst scrolling and then starts again. Just altogether not very smooth.

I had a Galaxy S3 running Jelly Bean but don't have it anymore.
 

1member1

macrumors 6502
Sep 8, 2012
383
0
We've reached a point where iOS-devotees must split hairs to demonstrate that iOS is better.

Things like the number of apps that the App Store has over the Play Store (marginal, really). Or things like ads being in apps (trivial. Buy the full version then. Once again, there are choices to capture all walks of life: free with ads or paid without). Or how Android is "less responsive" by milliseconds. This is what it's coming down to? Milliseconds?

Please.

And I say again... if it was the iPhone that had these features while the competition didn't, we'd be singing praises for Apple trying to introduce new ideas and features.

You just make it look like its simple but it's not. I'm always sharing thoughts about apps with friends and those who has android sometimes dosen't have them in the play store. sometimes it even comes later.
flipboard was one of them.. too bad people couldn't enjoy it until march 2012.

There are good and bad things in iOS and android. people can prefer iphone even if it's closed system (yeah thats advantage too that people seem to forget).

please...
 

Zaft

macrumors 601
Jun 16, 2009
4,570
4,049
Brooklyn, NY
i have to be honest. There are soo many useless features its crazy:rolleyes:. just becuase it has more featrues just for the sake of having them doesnt mean its better.
 

sc4rf4c3

macrumors regular
Oct 10, 2012
190
41
i have to be honest. There are soo many useless features its crazy:rolleyes:. just becuase it has more featrues just for the sake of having them doesnt mean its better.

At least you have the features. I remember when fanboys were calling LTE useless last year.
 

Markyboy81

macrumors 6502a
Oct 30, 2011
514
0
I've heard a few times now that android becomes sluggish over time. Can anybody confirm if this is true?
 

thefredelement

macrumors 65816
Apr 10, 2012
1,196
648
New York
I've heard a few times now that android becomes sluggish over time. Can anybody confirm if this is true?

Depends on usage, just like iOS.

If you have a bunch of stuff open (in a real multitasking system) on older hardware it's going to be choppy (especially on an upgraded version of android.

If you're using the basic phone/email/browser/music app, etc. on newer hardware with Jelly bean, no lag/sluggishness,etc. In fact I've really put my GNex through the paces and it's never bogged down once.

That being said, doing that to a Nexus S, or original Galaxy S, or like Evo (what I would say is a competitor to the iPhone 4) would probably result in a decent amount of lag.

if you're asking, if you just turn an android phone on, and don't do anything to it, does it become sluggish? No, not in my experience.

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To be fair though, if you load up a crappy app it can totally destroy the experience.

I've seen this everywhere though, from my Mac, to iPad to any android I've owned, that being said, Apple does a WAY better job with apps that get in to their store. If my iPad is sluggish it's usually a quick restart and all better (just like on android).
 

Markyboy81

macrumors 6502a
Oct 30, 2011
514
0
Thanks for the reply, would you say that it's best to do a reset once a day, to both increase performance and battery life? I mention this because I was noticing severe standby battery drain today and a reset seemed to have sorted the issue. I'm not sure whether this was due to lack of free ram,or some rogue apps that were keeping the system awake.
Also, what's the difference between a restart and the 8 second hard reset?
 
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