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thefredelement

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Apr 10, 2012
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Thanks for the reply, would you say that it's best to do a reset once a day, to both increase performance and battery life? I mention this because I was noticing severe standby battery drain today and a reset seemed to have sorted the issue. I'm not sure whether this was due to lack of free ram,or some rogue apps that were keeping the system awake.
Also, what's the difference between a restart and the 8 second hard reset?

That could be a bunch of things, if you have had an unusually bag signal today, or installed/updated any apps recently I would look there.

Speaking for myself, I never really reset my phone
 

TheHateMachine

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Sep 18, 2012
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I've heard a few times now that android becomes sluggish over time. Can anybody confirm if this is true?

I have a Droid X that is going on 2+ years old running ICS. About 3 months ago I replaced it with a Galaxy S3. I gave my DX to my 3 year old so she can play Angry Birds and Fruit Ninjas on it.

It is running as good as the day I got it.
 

zbarvian

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Jul 23, 2011
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Want the Apple fanboy argument laid out? Simple. Love is blind.

Yes, I'm obviously blind for choosing iOS. There's no way Android could possibly still have some glaring flaws that would hinder my adoption of the platform. Nope, blindness.
 

mankar4

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Aug 23, 2007
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USA
An Android phone can become YOUR android, an iPhone is Apple's iPhone.

With jailbreak and hours...days... of optimizing I got my iphone to do everything I wanted it to do that would have taken 15 minutes of settings/widget configuration in android. (lock screen apps, wifi toggle, lock screen calling/texting, etc) That's worth the polish of iOS to me. I found that my 2 friends' GS3 were just not as compellingly beautiful in hardware or software when I tried them out.

Of course, there are things like NFC that can't be added with jailbreak, but they weren't important to me. Now waiting for the iphone 5 jailbreak so I can do all my customization again...
 

F123D

macrumors 68040
Sep 16, 2008
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Del Mar, CA
Now waiting for the iphone 5 jailbreak so I can do all my customization again...

This is another reason why I've decided to give android a try. While I greatly appreciate all the work the developers do to get a jailbreak out to iPhone users, apple seems to make it harder each year.

People complain about how android users don't get updates immediately but that's the same issue with jailbroken iPhone users. We can't get updates when apple releases them either or else we lose our jailbreaks.

Instead of trying to add features that android has through jailbreaking, I'll just try android. Guess you win apple, I won't be jailbreaking this year.
 

thefredelement

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Apr 10, 2012
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With jailbreak and hours...days... of optimizing I got my iphone to do everything I wanted it to do that would have taken 15 minutes of settings/widget configuration in android. (lock screen apps, wifi toggle, lock screen calling/texting, etc) That's worth the polish of iOS to me. I found that my 2 friends' GS3 were just not as compellingly beautiful in hardware or software when I tried them out.

Of course, there are things like NFC that can't be added with jailbreak, but they weren't important to me. Now waiting for the iphone 5 jailbreak so I can do all my customization again...

You know what, I had to bring back my iPhone 5 because it was faulty, when they were doing the exchange they couldn't get the new phone to activate, so I just returned it. My plan had been to ride it out it out with the i5, hope for a jailbreak and see how far I could take it. (sticking points were system settings widgets and google voice integration), I'm def. going to keep an eye on iPhone, it was a great experience, just not complete for me.

I do agree with you, it's much nicer to hold, I really liked the iOS polish but as I read other posts what I missed on the iPhone from Android kind of hit me, it is that I really couldn't make it my own.

I know there were some Sony Nexus X rumors today, and I think as long as one android OEM makes a decent handset of quality, using aosp, with tweaking/ light theming / 3rd party apps, android can be just as polished as iOS. And it would probably take less time too.

These plastic style androids needs a rest. The LG Nexus isn't the answer, I could see a company like Sony dropping a bomb of a pure android phone with an iPhone caliber hardware design.
 

b24pgg

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Of course, there are things...that can't be added with jailbreak, but they weren't important to me.
I feel like this is always the excuse for features that Android has but the iPhone doesn't.

"It's not an important feature to me."
 

zbarvian

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Jul 23, 2011
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You know what, I had to bring back my iPhone 5 because it was faulty, when they were doing the exchange they couldn't get the new phone to activate, so I just returned it. My plan had been to ride it out it out with the i5, hope for a jailbreak and see how far I could take it. (sticking points were system settings widgets and google voice integration), I'm def. going to keep an eye on iPhone, it was a great experience, just not complete for me.

I do agree with you, it's much nicer to hold, I really liked the iOS polish but as I read other posts what I missed on the iPhone from Android kind of hit me, it is that I really couldn't make it my own.

I know there were some Sony Nexus X rumors today, and I think as long as one android OEM makes a decent handset of quality, using aosp, with tweaking/ light theming / 3rd party apps, android can be just as polished as iOS. And it would probably take less time too.

These plastic style androids needs a rest. The LG Nexus isn't the answer, I could see a company like Sony dropping a bomb of a pure android phone with an iPhone caliber hardware design.

See, I don't think anybody could match Apple on the hardware front, especially not Sony. All of their mobile devices released over the past years have been quite lackluster. It's one of Apple's biggest advantages still, their engineering team is just in a league of its own.
 

thefredelement

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Apr 10, 2012
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See, I don't think anybody could match Apple on the hardware front, especially not Sony. All of their mobile devices released over the past years have been quite lackluster. It's one of Apple's biggest advantages still, their engineering team is just in a league of its own.

I don't know, Sony doesn't have bad design. I think if they pushed it they could really come up with something solid. Just thinking back to their mid to late 2000s MP3 players and home theatre stuff. They seem to always try to put something out there. Some of it people like, some of it they don't.

I don't dislike the Xperia T, I think it's kind of sleek actually, but I never actually held one so I can't really comment.

All I know is the next android OEM to put out a phone that actually feels nice to hold and runs the latest, pure version of android would have a huge win on their hands.

Now that Google is Motorola I wonder if they'll work on something for release next year. I really liked the back of the Xoom tablet (I forgot what it was), but that on the back with a slim designed, stylish front would probably feel great.
 

mankar4

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Aug 23, 2007
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I feel like this is always the excuse for features that Android has but the iPhone doesn't.

"It's not an important feature to me."

how's that an excuse? Its just a statement of what is important to me. If iPhone couldn't be jailbroken and customized, i would get a gs3. NFC, dlna, removable battery, bigger screen, micro sd slot are simply not on my priority list.

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This is another reason why I've decided to give android a try. While I greatly appreciate all the work the developers do to get a jailbreak out to iPhone users, apple seems to make it harder each year.

People complain about how android users don't get updates immediately but that's the same issue with jailbroken iPhone users. We can't get updates when apple releases them either or else we lose our jailbreaks.

Instead of trying to add features that android has through jailbreaking, I'll just try android. Guess you win apple, I won't be jailbreaking this year.

this is a great point. It is really frustrating to update after jailbreak. I wish there was a gs3 try it for a week program or something.
 

aznguyen316

macrumors 68010
Oct 1, 2008
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Tampa, FL
I'll just comment on two things.

NFC is overrated. I had to hack on Google wallet on my Verizon s3 and was able to use it. I use it twice at a cvs, it was cool xcuz I got $10 to use but I saw no reason to use it. Wasn't any faster than my debit card as both u put up to the reader and enter a pin either on phone or keypad for debit.

One of my favorite jokes to my iphone friends are telling them I can bump to share playlists. Really this is just a gimmick feature. I was at a wedding (300+ people) and I finally got to see how truly popular the s3 was 10+ ppl had an s3, problem was none of us knew how to share anything via nfc lol. I was on an aosp rom cm10 at the time so I didn't have any samsung apps on it and we all joked with each other we can bump to share but no one knows how or really cared how to. It was laughably pathetic to try Haha. I still joke that I can share that way but I don't bother trying.

Second I alluded to was the fact that updates are on a Carrier based time line. No jelly bean for s3 but it's been available for 4 months so I have to use aosp roms that are great but not perfect. There's always one or two things broken but you just deal with it to run the latest OS.. Pretty lame tbh. I flash a new rom/kernel like twice a week for updates to fix things in roms. It gets old. Even a Verizon jb leak hasn't appeared so we are using note 2 leak builds. Wtf?

Anyway I like my s3 but I think after having it awhile I prefer the ip5 hardware (this screen blows outside) and ios with jailbreak which is like android with root to be fair.

I'm actually really interested in the upcoming win phone 8. HTC 8x looks nice...

Sorry for typos I typed this up on my phone. :)
 

onthecouchagain

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Mar 29, 2011
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Yes, sometimes features have learning curves. Doesn't mean they are useless when you and a group of friends haven't learned how.

Disclaimer: I'm not even an S3 fan nor owner of one. Just saying that story proves nothing when it comes to usefulness or not.
 

jvpython

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Aug 25, 2011
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New Zealand
A few more reasons:

* Capacitive buttons. Better than hardware buttons. The back button is amazingly useful.
* Video calling to any phone except iPhone. Facetime only works with iPhone, iPad and Mac.
* Better maps app, better YouTube app.
* Background downloads while you do something else.
* Notifications icons in the status bar.
* Ability to jailbreak (called root) easily from day one. No need to wait months for the jailbreak to be released. Ability to downgrade firmware any time easily also.
* Ability to upload any type of file to dropbox, your NAS, etc.
* Download any type of file from internet and being able to use it, like a .rar or .zip and extract its files inside.
* Weather on lockscreen, news, voice commands, etc.
* New Google Now and Google voice search.
* Radio FM. IPhone can listen to web radio, but there are places where 3G is not available.
* Ability to install apps that would never be allowed on ios, such as a torrent downloader, emulators, etc.
* Offline voice dictation on several languages.
* Backups are way more faster to restore with nandroid backup. Works just like an iTunes backup, but takes only 12 minutes for me.
* My 48 GB version cost me 300€ less than what the 16GB iPhone 5 costs. 16GB plus 32GB micro SD. I just can't understand how a 16GB phone can cost 669€ unlocked and 599€ on contract with my voice and data plan.

Nice things, but the phone is too big! :D:D

1) I'll give you that one.
2) Never heard of Skype (plenty of other services too)?
3) That really is your opinion. The maps app works great for me and I quite like the layout of the YouTube app)
4) I can do that with many iPhone apps such as GoodReader...
5) Not to sure about the purpose of that?
6) Well I've never jailbroken my iPhone and most people don't feel the need too. I wouldn't count hacking as a "feature"
7) I can upload any files to dropbox etc. again using apps such as GoodReader
8) And again I can also do that with apps such as GoodReader...
9) Siri? lol
10) That's Google equivalent of Siri which in my opinion is by no means better.
11) I'll give you that too. A radio can be useful
12) Fair enough although I would just use a computer for that. Much easier
13) Yeap that's pretty useful
14) Not sure where you get that from? My iPhone backs up very quick. You'd need to test both devices with exactly the same amount of data for a proper test.
15) Price isn't a feature since I could simply say with the iPhone you're paying for premium materials etc. vs plastic. Although the price does matter when choosing a phone it isn't an argument as to which phone is better.
 

xuselppa

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Oct 10, 2012
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1) I'll give you that one.
2) Never heard of Skype (plenty of other services too)?
3) That really is your opinion. The maps app works great for me and I quite like the layout of the YouTube app)
4) I can do that with many iPhone apps such as GoodReader...
5) Not to sure about the purpose of that?
6) Well I've never jailbroken my iPhone and most people don't feel the need too. I wouldn't count hacking as a "feature"
7) I can upload any files to dropbox etc. again using apps such as GoodReader
8) And again I can also do that with apps such as GoodReader...
9) Siri? lol
10) That's Google equivalent of Siri which in my opinion is by no means better.
11) I'll give you that too. A radio can be useful
12) Fair enough although I would just use a computer for that. Much easier
13) Yeap that's pretty useful
14) Not sure where you get that from? My iPhone backs up very quick. You'd need to test both devices with exactly the same amount of data for a proper test.
15) Price isn't a feature since I could simply say with the iPhone you're paying for premium materials etc. vs plastic. Although the price does matter when choosing a phone it isn't an argument as to which phone is better.

With respect, your idea of downloading files in the background while doing another task (real multitasking) is not possible in iOS. Apple pauses apps. For example, go to any music or video website in Safari and download the mp3 or avi file to your movie or music folder and while that is downloading go play a game, watch a video or use Word and create a document. Now go back and check on your download. Has the download progressed? In iOS the answer would be no, however, it may be possible within a 3rd party app's archetecture, but again if you leave the app, the RAM dedicated for that app is stopped, ergo no download in the background.

As for uploading any file to dropbox with iOS, this is also incorrect, simply because iOS doesn't allow any file type and you do not have access to a file system to upload directly. In iOS you have to hope an app you are using can send to dropbox. Or do some work around like email true file to yourself, then go to a pc and upload it to dropbox. Android is more like a PC, so the need for a real PC is almost non existent. And we certainly don't want to be chained to a pc with a crappy program like itunes.

But even simple things like multiple attachments to emails is impossible without a jailbreak. or how about going to a site like imageshack to upload an image for them to host. Impossible on iOS, because you can't access your file system, so the 'upload image' button on the webpage remains greyed out. iOS can be extremely limiting and frustrating in what it can't do, more than what it can do.
 
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VinnyV

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Aug 10, 2011
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I seriously think there's no who is better here, and in the end it all boils down to preferences.

I moved from s3 to ios and couldnt be more happier with my iphone 5. Besides the maps of course, but i dont blame apple for it, google maps didn't have ***** on my country few years ago, i believe these things take time.

A few more reasons:

* Capacitive buttons. Better than hardware buttons. The back button is amazingly useful.
* Video calling to any phone except iPhone. Facetime only works with iPhone, iPad and Mac.
* Better maps app, better YouTube app.
* Background downloads while you do something else.
* Notifications icons in the status bar.
* Ability to jailbreak (called root) easily from day one. No need to wait months for the jailbreak to be released. Ability to downgrade firmware any time easily also.
* Ability to upload any type of file to dropbox, your NAS, etc.
* Download any type of file from internet and being able to use it, like a .rar or .zip and extract its files inside.
* Weather on lockscreen, news, voice commands, etc.
* New Google Now and Google voice search.
* Radio FM. IPhone can listen to web radio, but there are places where 3G is not available.
* Ability to install apps that would never be allowed on ios, such as a torrent downloader, emulators, etc.
* Offline voice dictation on several languages.
* Backups are way more faster to restore with nandroid backup. Works just like an iTunes backup, but takes only 12 minutes for me.
* My 48 GB version cost me 300€ less than what the 16GB iPhone 5 costs. 16GB plus 32GB micro SD. I just can't understand how a 16GB phone can cost 669€ unlocked and 599€ on contract with my voice and data plan.

I agree those are some good reasons, but heres my take
1. i love hardware buttons :D yeah i known sure they get damaged over time but i just love the feeling of using it. anyone else?
2. I usual video call my family and friends using skype or viber or such not a problem for me! ( unlimited data plan ftw!)
3. Like i said i wont be quick to judge here , maps is a new app and i believe it will get better over time.
4. I'm not so sure about this... i have yet to download any stuff using my phone ~
5. Again i believe this depends on personal preference. i honestly didnt like how my notification bar becomes flooded with stuff .
6. I agree with jvpython, i dont believe rooting would be called a feature but to me it would act as a good reason. As for me i had fun rooting and changing roms every week xD "flashaholic" as one says.
7. i don't ussualy upload things to dropbox or such i have my air for that, i just need the ability to open files form my phone so I'm totally okay with it.
8. Again i don't open those files on my phone, i have yet to have any need top open those files on my phone. even on android besides changing roms and stuff.
9.siri? xD
10. for me def web radio or my own albums! again unlimited data plan ftw! ( always got signal anywhere i go in my country... well the places i go)
11. i have my desktop/laptop to download torrents , never needed my phone to download torrents. as for the emulators as such ill mention it at the end =D
12. never even used this on my s3 >< nor my iphone haha!
13. Woah woah..... nandroid backup and restore is by no means fast!

Even though my s3 had a lot of features... i just never found myself using them...nfc,beam and such. And from a Htc>samsung> iphone, I'm so used to feeling brushed metal i seriously couldn't get used to plastic anymore!

Main reason i switched was... apps.... i agree that the android market has a HUGE selection of apps and games sure there are great apps in there. but honestly from my experience, ios just seem to have more. apps just seemed more properly built or the games are so much fun.
I saw those jokes online about how the iphone 5 was long, i didnt get those jokes until i got my iphone :D, but after switching it on, seeing the display and holding it comfortably in one hand...im somehow glad they didn't make it wider.

One thing i missed though was customization of android. Sure i can JB and get to it, but def i really think android just does a better job of it.
Forgot to mention.... i def noticed s3's batt life is longer, im not sure if its because i started to play a lot of games on the iphone 5 or not just something i noticed xD.
So overall i find these to be 2 great phones aimed at different people, choose one you like and enjoy! I enjoyed my s3, but for me i enjoyed my ip5 more, just up to preferences!
 
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matttye

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Mar 25, 2009
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Lincoln, England
I feel like this is always the excuse for features that Android has but the iPhone doesn't.

"It's not an important feature to me."

For me, at least, that's true. NFC is cool but I mainly used it to toggle settings on and off as there's no payment systems in place in the UK yet (and it will take a long time for them to be widely adopted). On iOS I just leave wifi and Bluetooth on all the time with hardly any hit to battery life.

I can now talk to my fiancée on her iPad and her phone when I'm out and about, not just her phone (which she sometimes loses).

I like the way everything stays in sync via iCloud with my iPad and PC.

I bought a 64GB iPhone which means I can keep all of my music on it. Siri integration with music is cool for when I'm driving or working out.

I've had an iPhone for a few weeks now and been without any kind of Android device for nearly two weeks. I can honestly say I don't really miss anything yet. There were a lot of features on Android to brag about by adding them to lists of things the iPhone can't do, but I barely used any of them..including file system access.
 

MadTester

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Mar 24, 2012
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Ok, one thing here that has been completely left out..... before the Samsung S3..... The HTC One and One X has the NFC and 'DNLA' but its called Media Link HD, and WIFI direct for peer-to-peer..... and they were out before the Samsung, so not only does the HTC have superiority over the iPhone 4s and 5 (in that respect) it was already there before the S3.

It's all about advertising and market share as well as the big bucks for stock sold ;)
 

VulchR

macrumors 68040
Jun 8, 2009
3,508
14,459
Scotland
An Android phone can become YOUR android, an iPhone is Apple's iPhone.

An interesting viewpoint. However, it seems to me that Android phones are really owned by Google's customers, which is to say marketing and advertising firms, in spite of the fact that users pay for the hardware. At least with the iPhone YOU are the customer.

It cuts both ways. Perhaps one day a new mobile OS will be wholly open, protect privacy, be secure from malware, have a great UI, and support great hardware. So far from what I have seen of iOS, Android, BB, WP etc. is that none of these OS's really fulfills all of these criteria - what we have now are different sets of compromises in different OS's.
 

auero

macrumors 65816
Sep 15, 2006
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I just find it humorous that so many people make the complaint about the build and look of the iphone and s3. They're similar devices and a majority of users lock their phones in a case. There is an exception where some dont use a case but I think it's fair to say a majority do.
 

jvpython

macrumors 6502
Aug 25, 2011
284
0
New Zealand
With respect, your idea of downloading files in the background while doing another task (real multitasking) is not possible in iOS. Apple pauses apps. For example, go to any music or video website in Safari and download the mp3 or avi file to your movie or music folder and while that is downloading go play a game, watch a video or use Word and create a document. Now go back and check on your download. Has the download progressed? In iOS the answer would be no, however, it may be possible within a 3rd party app's archetecture, but again if you leave the app, the RAM dedicated for that app is stopped, ergo no download in the background.

As for uploading any file to dropbox with iOS, this is also incorrect, simply because iOS doesn't allow any file type and you do not have access to a file system to upload directly. In iOS you have to hope an app you are using can send to dropbox. Or do some work around like email true file to yourself, then go to a pc and upload it to dropbox. Android is more like a PC, so the need for a real PC is almost non existent. And we certainly don't want to be chained to a pc with a crappy program like itunes.

But even simple things like multiple attachments to emails is impossible without a jailbreak. or how about going to a site like imageshack to upload an image for them to host. Impossible on iOS, because you can't access your file system, so the 'upload image' button on the webpage remains greyed out. iOS can be extremely limiting and frustrating in what it can't do, more than what it can do.

Not sure all the things you mentioned still apply with the latest iOS. For example you can now upload picture directly from safari on websites as of iOS 6. And i think for most people an iPhone / iPad with all the right apps can really be used as an independent device without relying on a PC. But I won't deny Android is a lot more flexible with the file system for sure.
 
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