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munkery

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Dec 18, 2006
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And here is a great article discussing Apple's lax security measures on peripherals.

That has nothing to do with malware.

That is about preventing the reverse engineering of a cable to prevent third parties from producing alternatives.
 

apierrec

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Sep 18, 2012
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It doesn't take a genius ... Less is more!

/iWins end thread

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Some interesting points to note, but I would definitely rename the video to 50 features that the S3 has, and completely drop the notion that it is "better than" the iPhone 5.



There are always going to be valid points, but the majority here that I left alone would be easy enough things to fix with the iPhone. Except for the ability to add additional memory via the use of SD cards. That being said, I always hated having to carry around SD cards and never know where my stuff was or who, ultimately, would be responsible to support that SD card with my phone.

The best features that iPhone has that no other phone seems to understand, is that less is more and the simplicity and responsibility with everything being "call Apple" is easier to understand in terms of who supports what.

Yep.
 

layer8

macrumors newbie
Oct 16, 2012
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90% of the interface in that video was disgusting. The Play Store is lacking, in numbers and quality. Developers still clearly favor the App Store to this day, and it's not hard to see why. And when I talk responsiveness, I'm talking how well the software tracks your finger. Jellybean improved responsiveness, but it's still behind iOS. For such a rudimentary task, you'd think Google would be on top of this. Google is more concerned with functions/tech stuff than the user experience.

With Android's continued smashing of iOS in marketshare in Q3 of 2012 (around ~47%, as opposed to ~19% for iOS), you really think that developers are preferring the lesser used OS? Agreed, both OS' make a funk load of cash for developers, but it's a bit far-fetched to assume that any major release of an App will be only iOS based.

I have never struggled to find any application on the play store. I'm not saying every application on iOS is available on the playstore, but ****. You're splitting hairs here.

Take to this thread just your opinion, there's no need to spout rubbish.

This is coming from a very happy Galaxy S3 owner, and a heavy user of iOS 5 on an iPod touch.
 

zbarvian

macrumors 68010
Jul 23, 2011
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With Android's continued smashing of iOS in marketshare in Q3 of 2012 (around ~47%, as opposed to ~19% for iOS), you really think that developers are preferring the lesser used OS? Agreed, both OS' make a funk load of cash for developers, but it's a bit far-fetched to assume that any major release of an App will be only iOS based.

I have never struggled to find any application on the play store. I'm not saying every application on iOS is available on the playstore, but ****. You're splitting hairs here.

Take to this thread just your opinion, there's no need to spout rubbish.

This is coming from a very happy Galaxy S3 owner, and a heavy user of iOS 5 on an iPod touch.

Yes. Developers have been vocal about preferring iOS. Tiny Wings, native Facebook, Apple's essential iLife apps that I need, Infinity Blade, Temple Run, there are so many big apps and games that are iOS exclusives for a long time. It's a much more profitable platform, and the amount of piracy on the Play Store, coupled with the difficulties of making attractive apps, results in a strong preference and devotion to the App Store. I'm not splitting hairs. I've browsed the Play Store in the last week, and it's sorely lacking. It stopped being a numbers game when both stores hit like 400,000 apps, IMO.
 

Sensamic

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Mar 26, 2010
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Last week I tried the iPhone 5 for the first time and I was really impressed. Was fast, light, good size, great screen, etc.

But today I went and tried it again and I've got to say I became a little bit bored after playing with it for 10 minutes or so.

I like the polished ios and the apps, but the boredom is mainly due to the restrictions. The gallery app is still horrible compared to android, and I miss the file explorer and other stuff from android.

Web pages look really small compared to my 4.8 screen in the sgs3. Yes, is too big. True. But web pages look so much better. The iPhone 5 screen is also not ideal for videos. Movies and YouTube videos on the sgs3 is simply the best experience.

I guess the best choice is a nexus, as to not have to deal with Samsung and other companies. Google is really improving their os with every new update.

I still prefer the notification systems from ios and the polished os and great apps, but I don't know if that is enough to make me go back. Apps is not that big of a deal right now because with android I can have certain apps I would never have on ios and other apps like dropbox allow me to upload any type of file.
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
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Your market share numbers appear to be wrong.

http://www.netmarketshare.com/mobile-market-share

Is that only for phone sales in that quarter?

Does it include iPad sales?

This data is no where near accurate for actually how many handsets are in peoples hands. They weigh per country (there FAQ even uses Brazil as an example they double the data). The iPad has larger market share then the iPhone? Even Apple themselves don't claim that.

Asia doesn't get much weight for it actual population which is probably a huge factor.
 

munkery

macrumors 68020
Dec 18, 2006
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This data is no where near accurate for actually how many handsets are in peoples hands. They weigh per country (there FAQ even uses Brazil as an example they double the data). The iPad has larger market share then the iPhone? Even Apple themselves don't claim that.

Asia doesn't get much weight for it actual population which is probably a huge factor.

Ok, here are some better stats. It shows Android with a slight lead but it also shows the trend of how Android market share has only rumped up recently.

These market share numbers don't justify the enormous difference in the amount of malware affecting iOS vs Android given the market share trends.

The difference is due to Android being a much easier target.

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cnev3

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Sep 13, 2012
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A few reasons why the iPhone is better than the Galaxy S3...


Swordigo, Chinatown Wars, Pocket Planes, Street Fighter Volt, Fairway Solitaire, Beat Hazard Ultra, Infinity Blade II, Bike Baron, Gesundheit, Monkey Island 1-3, Groove Coaster, Starfront Collision, Aralon, Rage HD, Matching with Friends, The World Ends With You, Scribblenauts, Avengers Initiative, Back to the Future, Battle Academy, Zuma's Revenge, Touchgrind, MVC3, New Puzzle Bobble, SF vs Tekken, Ultimate MC3, Rayman Jungle Run, Wild Blood, Walking Dead, Final Fantasy Tactics, Final Fantasy Chaos Rings, Bastion, Skate It, Chrono Trigger, NFS Shift 2, Iron Man 2, Prince of Persia, Tom Clancys Hawk, Mirrors Edge, Hero of Sparta, Phoenix Wright, Limbo, Rock Band, Tiny Wings, Zombie Gunship, Eternal Legacy, Ticket To Ride, Sid Miers Pirates, Sid Miers Civilization, Garageband, FL Studio, Animoog, Filtratron, DJay, Figure, Nano Studio, iKaossilator, DM1, Multitrack DAW, ReBirth, Ampkit, Tab Toolkit, Amplitube, etc...

And an OS that is stable and not cluttered with far too many menus.
 

cnev3

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Sep 13, 2012
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Here's one example of things that annoy me about Android, and how clunky it is compared to iOS:

If I want to uninstall an app, I go to settings>applications>manage applications>select app>press uninstall

On iOS you hold down on the apps icon, and press the X.


If I want to clear up memory and stop services to make my phone run better:

Go to my Task Manager icon, select RAM tab, press Clear Memory button.
Then go to Settings>Applications>Running Services>Select the service to stop>Press Stop Button> Repeat last 2 steps with every service. Note that some services have a process which you also have to stop. Also note that some services after you click Stop, are still there in the menu. Trying to stop it multiple times won't do anything.

On iOS you press home button twice. Hold down on the app you want to cancel. Press X
 

smellysox8

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Oct 5, 2012
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Here's one example of things that annoy me about Android, and how clunky it is compared to iOS:

If I want to uninstall an app, I go to settings>applications>manage applications>select app>press uninstall

On iOS you hold down on the apps icon, and press the X.

Go to app drawer. Press and hold desired app. Drag to uninstall option.
 

Sensamic

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Mar 26, 2010
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Here's one example of things that annoy me about Android, and how clunky it is compared to iOS:

If I want to uninstall an app, I go to settings>applications>manage applications>select app>press uninstall

On iOS you hold down on the apps icon, and press the X.


If I want to clear up memory and stop services to make my phone run better:

Go to my Task Manager icon, select RAM tab, press Clear Memory button.
Then go to Settings>Applications>Running Services>Select the service to stop>Press Stop Button> Repeat last 2 steps with every service. Note that some services have a process which you also have to stop. Also note that some services after you click Stop, are still there in the menu. Trying to stop it multiple times won't do anything.

On iOS you press home button twice. Hold down on the app you want to cancel. Press X

I'm not sure if you're being serious or being funny...

Right now I'm laughing with a horror look in my eyes :what::what::what:
 

sc4rf4c3

macrumors regular
Oct 10, 2012
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Here's one example of things that annoy me about Android, and how clunky it is compared to iOS:

If I want to uninstall an app, I go to settings>applications>manage applications>select app>press uninstall

On iOS you hold down on the apps icon, and press the X.


If I want to clear up memory and stop services to make my phone run better:

Go to my Task Manager icon, select RAM tab, press Clear Memory button.
Then go to Settings>Applications>Running Services>Select the service to stop>Press Stop Button> Repeat last 2 steps with every service. Note that some services have a process which you also have to stop. Also note that some services after you click Stop, are still there in the menu. Trying to stop it multiple times won't do anything.

On iOS you press home button twice. Hold down on the app you want to cancel. Press X

You don't know how to use Android, even my 60 yr old neighbor who has an old Android device knows to long press the app to delete. To kill an app you long press the home button and clear away.
 

globtroter

macrumors newbie
Oct 18, 2012
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That Rocks!
Galaxy S3 software update ALPHA now with SPLIT SCREEN/ MULTIWINDOW feature(like Note2), processor boosted-1.6 GHz and many more!
Link:
http://apkgalaxy.com/android-news/galaxy-s3-alpha-runs-jelly-bean-with-built-in-multi-window-support.html
 

cnev3

macrumors 6502
Sep 13, 2012
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You don't know how to use Android, even my 60 yr old neighbor who has an old Android device knows to long press the app to delete. To kill an app you long press the home button and clear away.

Not on my phone. Holding down home brings up recent apps, and a button to task manager, which I already have a shortcut to on my home screen.

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I'm not sure if you're being serious or being funny...

Right now I'm laughing with a horror look in my eyes :what::what::what:

Well i'm glad I could put a smile on your face, but you still can't refute my point that android is cluttered with way too many menus, while iOS is intuitive and sleek.

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Go to app drawer. Press and hold desired app. Drag to uninstall option.

When I press and hold the apps icon, I have the option to remove the shortcut, I don't have the option to uninstall it other than the way I described.

ANYWAYS, the fact that iOS is a better designed OS than Android isn't the reason why I won't be choosing an android phone for my next phone. It's because of content.

The Zune HD had a handful of really cool features that the iPod Touch didn't have, but it flopped. Why? Because it didn't have the content that the iPod Touch had. Aside from making calls, and browsing (which iOS does better) what you have in your hands is a means to use apps. I'm going with the platform that has not the most, but the best apps. If Android ever surpasses iOS in that regard, i'll gladly switch back over.
 
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matttye

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Not on my phone. Holding down home brings up recent apps, and a button to task manager, which I already have a shortcut to on my home screen.

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Well i'm glad I could put a smile on your face, but you still can't refute my point that android is cluttered with way too many menus, while iOS is intuitive and sleek.

On ice cream sandwich or later based ROMs, you long press home to bring up a vertical list of recent apps and can swipe them to the left/right to kill them.

With some launchers you can drag an icon/widget to an "uninstall" button to uninstall the app.

However, this experience is not consistent across devices and setups, so your point is still a valid one.
 

cnev3

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Sep 13, 2012
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Don't get me wrong. I think the S3 is a sweet phone, and a lot of those features are awesome, but still many android phones don't have a lot of those features. If I was going to stay with Android and sign a new 2 year contract, I'd definitely choose the S3.

Also another reason why I prefer iOS is because i'm a musician, and iOS has way more music production apps than Android. Android doesn't have anything that can rival Garage Band, and many music companies like Moog, and Roland, don't have android version of their programs. If you're a guitarist, and you've used Amplitube, you'll understand.

Also, my android phone does a lot of funky things. The brightness mysteriously adjusts from the very highest, to the very lowest for no reason. An app will crash at least twice a day. I find myself always restarting it. And thats annoying how it runs a virus scan every time I restart it, unplug it from USB tethering, or I re-insert my MicroSD card. I want to uninstall the virus scanner, but then I have to worry about getting a virus, and if thats what's causing issues.

Worst of all it does this thing where all the icons on my home screen disappears, and it looks like the phone is going to shut down, then the icons re-appear, and it does this in a cycle, sometimes 5 or 6 times in a row. WTF. And I always have the latest firmware, and it's not hacked.

And because there are so many different android headsets, with different levels of hardware, you don't have the same assurance that an app will run with acceptable performance like you do with an iOS device. My phone is only a few months old, and I spent $7 on Modern Combat 3, and the game is simply unplayable. Unfortunately I didnt know how ridiculously brief the refund period was, and the $7 is wasted.

When FF Chaos Rings came out on iOS and the app had no voiceover sound, I got a refund from Apple and I still was able to keep the $14 game, and I re downloaded and played it when the devs fixed it.
 
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wikus

macrumors 68000
Jun 1, 2011
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Planet earth.
I'm not even a fan of the S3, but if it was Apple that first introduced some of its features or if it was the iPhone to have it while others didn't, iOS-devotees would be the first to let you know how wonderful it is.

But, you know, if a non-Apple competitor does it first or has a feature the iPhone doesn't have, "who needs it?" or "the world isn't ready for it."

Yet, when Apple introduces new technologies or features (Thunderbolt port, anyone?), they're labeled as innovators pushing the frontiers.

Love the consistency.

Too bad Thunderbolt is a bigger failure than firewire.

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Here's one example of things that annoy me about Android, and how clunky it is compared to iOS:

If I want to uninstall an app, I go to settings>applications>manage applications>select app>press uninstall

On iOS you hold down on the apps icon, and press the X.


If I want to clear up memory and stop services to make my phone run better:

Go to my Task Manager icon, select RAM tab, press Clear Memory button.
Then go to Settings>Applications>Running Services>Select the service to stop>Press Stop Button> Repeat last 2 steps with every service. Note that some services have a process which you also have to stop. Also note that some services after you click Stop, are still there in the menu. Trying to stop it multiple times won't do anything.

On iOS you press home button twice. Hold down on the app you want to cancel. Press X

LOL, wow.

On my android phone I only have to long press my home button to see if i want to kill any specific apps or kill all with one touch.

Sorry bud, looks like iPhone loses here.
 

F123D

macrumors 68040
Sep 16, 2008
3,776
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Del Mar, CA
cnev3 said:
android is cluttered with way too many menus

I consider those features and options. Customized to make the phone fit your needs.

cnev3 said:
while iOS is intuitive and sleek

Same wall of icons. Simple UI that has gotten stale and boring. To many, simple is a good thing. That is, if you enjoy having apple tell you what you can and can't do.
 

onthecouchagain

macrumors 604
Mar 29, 2011
7,382
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Moving icons in iOS sucks, plain and simple. It used to be cute that you long-press and the icons do their jingle dance, and you move things, and then you hit home key, but that's grown tiresome.

In Android, you just have to long-press whatever you want to move and move it. Then you're done. The other icons/widgets shift accordingly. And you don't have to hit any additional key to say you're done.

I know iOS is renown for being simple and easy to use, but it's gotten to the point where as people become more tech savvy and more Android-knowledgeable, iOS' own simplicity is making it less usable. It takes many more steps to accomplish the same thing. I mean, just try to turn on Private Browsing and count the steps.

Josh Topolsky from the Verge wrote up an excellent "Software" review section for the iPhone 5 review that discusses precisely why it's gotten annoying that Apple still makes users "jump through hoops" to accomplish the simplest of setting changes.
 

b24pgg

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Jan 28, 2009
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android is cluttered with way too many menus, while iOS is intuitive and sleek.
Could you give us an example of what you mean by this?

iOS is an app drawer. Pages of icons and that's it. Android can look however you want it to.
 

sc4rf4c3

macrumors regular
Oct 10, 2012
190
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How is Android a clutter if you can pretty much have no icons or widgets on the screen if you choose to. Like what others have said, iOS is an app drawer.
 

MarcelEdward

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Yes. Developers have been vocal about preferring iOS. Tiny Wings, native Facebook, Apple's essential iLife apps that I need, Infinity Blade, Temple Run, there are so many big apps and games that are iOS exclusives for a long time. It's a much more profitable platform, and the amount of piracy on the Play Store, coupled with the difficulties of making attractive apps, results in a strong preference and devotion to the App Store. I'm not splitting hairs. I've browsed the Play Store in the last week, and it's sorely lacking. It stopped being a numbers game when both stores hit like 400,000 apps, IMO.

I tried the android thing to make an app. But I could not get the test envionment running. After a few hours trying to get the android simulator up and running I gave up, withouth writing one line of code ...
 

paulsalter

macrumors 68000
Aug 10, 2008
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I tried the android thing to make an app. But I could not get the test envionment running. After a few hours trying to get the android simulator up and running I gave up, withouth writing one line of code ...

I am not developer so don't know how hard it is on either platform

but reading the above would make me want to ignore someones apps totally, as they don't sem to want to learn the job of programming
 

cnev3

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Sep 13, 2012
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Too bad Thunderbolt is a bigger failure than firewire.

Why's that?

On my android phone I only have to long press my home button to see if i want to kill any specific apps or kill all with one touch.

Sorry bud, looks like iPhone loses here.

Wait, i'm missing something. Why does the iPhone lose in this regard? Are you saying that killing apps is easier on Android?

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Could you give us an example of what you mean by this?

iOS is an app drawer. Pages of icons and that's it. Android can look however you want it to.

Look at my previous post regarding uninstalling apps.

If I wanted widgets and animated backgrounds to kill my battery life, and eat up my RAM, I could use Cydia.

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In Android, you just have to long-press whatever you want to move and move it. Then you're done.

Ummm, yeah, same with iOS. How's moving icons more complicated?
 
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