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paulsalter

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Aug 10, 2008
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how is double clicking the home button and then holding down the apps till they wiggle and then hitting the X to stop it intuitive

if I wanted to close an app fully, and didn't know how iOS worked, this would not be my first thought of how to stop an app
 

Markyboy81

macrumors 6502a
Oct 30, 2011
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Why's that?



Wait, i'm missing something. Why does the iPhone lose in this regard? Are you saying that killing apps is easier on Android?

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Look at my previous post regarding uninstalling apps.

If I wanted widgets and animated backgrounds to kill my battery life, and eat up my RAM, I could use Cydia.

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Ummm, yeah, same with iOS. How's moving icons more complicated?

Moving icons on ios isn't complicated but it is frustrating. Like trying to put the icons or folders in a particular order. Pretty much impossible as they just move where they want and I end up chasing them around the screen and from page to page
 

cnev3

macrumors 6502
Sep 13, 2012
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On my android phone, I only use web browsing when its necessary. Its sluggish. The pinch to zoom is choppy. The screen scrolling is choppy. Highlighting small text and selecting fields is less accurate.

I would browse the web on my iPod Touch when I felt like lying in bed instead of sitting at my desk. There's a reason why 65% of mobile web traffic comes from iOS devices when 75% mobile devices are Android devices.

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Instead of having an app in the top left corner of your iPhone, can you explain how to leave that space empty?

Download Cydia and tweak your home screen?

Can you name a dozen must have android apps that aren't on iOS?
 

cnev3

macrumors 6502
Sep 13, 2012
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Moving icons on ios isn't complicated but it is frustrating.

That's frustrating?

Also, my android phone does a lot of funky things. The brightness mysteriously adjusts from the very highest, to the very lowest for no reason. An app will crash at least twice a day. I find myself always restarting it. And thats annoying how it runs a virus scan every time I restart it, unplug it from USB tethering, or I re-insert my MicroSD card. I want to uninstall the virus scanner, but then I have to worry about getting a virus, and if thats what's causing issues.

Worst of all it does this thing where all the icons on my home screen disappears, and it looks like the phone is going to shut down, then the icons re-appear, and it does this in a cycle, sometimes 5 or 6 times in a row. WTF. And I always have the latest firmware, and it's not hacked.

^ this is frustrating

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Seriously, Jailbreaking? Just to move an app? You are funny.

Seriously, complaining to have an empty space in the corner of my home screen?

You are funny.

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Don't need to. All the apps I need on iOS are on Android. Whats your point?

That's because there arent a dozen good apps on Android that aren't on iOS.

You can't miss what you never had.

My point is...

I needed an app that could do what amplitube did, on Android. Couldnt find it. Because it doesnt exist.

I needed an app did what Garage Band does. It doesn't exist on Android.

I was in NYC and I needed to navigate their subway system for the first time, and I needed an app that gave me live turn by turn directions, like iTrans on iOS did. There is no app on Android that does that. I had to spend the extra money for a taxi.

My second trip to NYC I used iTrans on my girlfriends iPhone, and we used the subway system to go to everywhere we needed to go without missing a beat. No taxis or shuttles.
 

sc4rf4c3

macrumors regular
Oct 10, 2012
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Also, my android phone does a lot of funky things. The brightness mysteriously adjusts from the very highest, to the very lowest for no reason. An app will crash at least twice a day. I find myself always restarting it. And thats annoying how it runs a virus scan every time I restart it, unplug it from USB tethering, or I re-insert my MicroSD card. I want to uninstall the virus scanner, but then I have to worry about getting a virus, and if thats what's causing issues.

This paragraph alone shows that you don't know what you're doing.
 

paulsalter

macrumors 68000
Aug 10, 2008
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I was in NYC and I needed to navigate their subway system for the first time, and I needed an app that gave me live turn by turn directions, like iTrans on iOS did. There is no app on Android that does that. I had to spend the extra money for a taxi.

I see a few apps for the nyc subway
for turn by turn could you not use google maps
 

daveathall

macrumors 68020
Aug 6, 2010
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I have never used the NYC subway, but why would one need turn by turn? It's not a facetious question, I am just curious, is it that difficult to find one's way around? What do the people without smart phones do?
 

cnev3

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Sep 13, 2012
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This paragraph alone shows that you don't know what you're doing.

How do you figure that?

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He cant navigate a subway without his phone, that shows that he doesn't know what he is doing.

Insults are what you give when you've lost an argument. Don't be so upset.

I have never used the NYC subway, but why would one need turn by turn? It's not a facetious question, I am just curious, is it that difficult to find one's way around? What do the people without smart phones do?

Ahaha. I love how you guys completely miss/ignore my point about apps that people need and use on iOS that do not only not have an Android version, but do not have a comparable app on Android. Instead you grill me about why I need the app specifically. CLASSIC!!

But I'll patronize your rebuttal...

iTrans tells me exactly where the closest subway station is, where to walk to get there, it tells me what route to take, and in how many minutes it will arrive. If there are any delays or construction closures, it will notify me and give a detour. It tells me when to get off. And it leads me to any transfers needed. Then once I get off the subway, it gives me walking directions to my destination. Super simple, fast, and reliable. Made me feel like a local, and not a clueless tourist.
 

smellysox8

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Oct 5, 2012
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Can you name a dozen must have android apps that aren't on iOS?

1. Google Maps (ooohh burn)
2. Swiftkey
3. Swype
4. Poweramp
5. Tasker
6. Juicedefender
7. Titanium backup
8. Astro File Manager
9. Beautiful Widgets
10. Gaming Emulators
11. Apex/Nova/Go Launchers
12. GoSMS Pro/Handcent

I await your reply that all these apps are useless and that you have no need for them. :rolleyes:

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iTrans tells me exactly where the closest subway station is, where to walk to get there, it tells me what route to take, and in how many minutes it will arrive. If there are any delays or construction closures, it will notify me and give a detour. It tells me when to get off. And it leads me to any transfers needed. Then once I get off the subway, it gives me walking directions to my destination. Super simple, fast, and reliable. Made me feel like a local, and not a clueless tourist.

Google maps does all that for FREE. And does all that for every city that you would have to pay money individually for iTrans. Every time you post shows how large your lack of knowledge of Android is.
 

daveathall

macrumors 68020
Aug 6, 2010
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Ahaha. I love how you guys completely miss/ignore my point about apps that people need and use on iOS that do not only not have an Android version, but do not have a comparable app on Android. Instead you grill me about why I need the app specifically. CLASSIC!!

I addressed your question some posts back;
Don't need to. All the apps I need on iOS are on Android. Whats your point?

The only app I miss from iOS is the Apple TV app, so for me, other than that, there are no must have apps from iOS that I need. How difficult is that to understand?
 

cynics

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Jan 8, 2012
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Can you name a dozen must have android apps that aren't on iOS?

I don't know if I know a dozen but I'll add if I think of any.

1. Swiftkeys keyboard (or any keyboard you prefer)
2. Astro file explorer
3. Google Nav
4. Tasker (very power automation)
5. Nova launcher (or any launcher you prefer)
6. Adobe Flash (I'm trying to keep this off my Android devices but its hard, and yes it's still available in the play store if you know how to find it)
7. GPS Essentials
8. Emulators if you love gaming (this in itself covers 7 - 10 different apps plus apps like USB joystick for plugging your game controller in, or use blue tooth.
9. My data usage (tells you how much data you used and exactly which app used it, this is built into the OS on later versions)

Then there are a lot that are more device specific.

10. Lite Flow for manipulating the notification light
11. Google Wallet
12. NFC task launcher

Then of course other software, don't know if you'd consider these apps or just silly but I use them.

13. Beautiful widgets
14. Wifi analyzer (Analysis of all wifi in your range and what's the strongest, which is the best channel to use, etc)

I'll probably think of a lot more stuff but this is just off the top of my head. Some can argue "that's not 'must have'", but if you say that then technically there is none for iOS either because there are Android users that dont have them. So iOS can't have "must have" apps either.

Fact is all the very important stuff both os's have. The some what important there is at least alternatives. Then there is like to have but can live without, that's where we are at in today. And it clearly goes both ways.

Edit: I see someone beat me too the punch. Lol
 
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cynics

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Jan 8, 2012
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I addressed your question some posts back;


The only app I miss from iOS is the Apple TV app, so for me, other than that, there are no must have apps from iOS that I need. How difficult is that to understand?

There are apps like twonky and doubletwist air sync that are compatible with ATV (not as well as an iOS device). If you have the ATV jailbreak there is an Android remote too.
 

Markyboy81

macrumors 6502a
Oct 30, 2011
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I'm quite happy to accept that ios has more apps and that in a lot of cases the apps are better coded than on Android.
Having said that, the advantages of a more open, customisable operating system, along with more flexible hardware and upgradeable memory means I doubt I'll return to apple. Oh, and there's also the price of iPhones..
 

cnev3

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Sep 13, 2012
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1. Google Maps (ooohh burn)
2. Swiftkey
3. Swype
4. Poweramp
5. Tasker
6. Juicedefender
7. Titanium backup
8. Astro File Manager
9. Beautiful Widgets
10. Gaming Emulators
11. Apex/Nova/Go Launchers
12. GoSMS Pro/Handcent

I await your reply that all these apps are useless and that you have no need for them. :rolleyes:

Of course they're not useless. My point is, there are nowhere near as many must have Android apps that arent on iOS, than vice versa. And almost any app that isnt on iOS has a good iOS counterpart. Example:

1. Maps+ (google maps on iOS)
2. Smart Keyboard
3. Swype is not an app
4. SonicMax Pro
5. Tasker is good. I'll give Android that one
6. Battery Doctor (but saving battery power is def needed more on large screen android phones)
7. Not needed. You can backup within iTunes, or iCloud
8. File manager is for SD cards. Media is managed in iPhoto.
9. Dashboard for Cydia (but I dont kill my battery and ram with widgets)
10. Cydia has emulators for nes, snes, gba, and n64.
11. Dashboard for Cydia again
12. Pinger. Plus a billion other sms/text apps

Name an android app thats as good as garage band, or FL Studio, Animoog, Filtratron, DJay, Figure, Nano Studio, iKaossilator, DM1, Multitrack DAW, ReBirth, Ampkit, Tab Toolkit, and Amplitube.

Or a movie editing app that's better than iMovie.

Or an educational app thats as good as iTunes U.

A word processor that's as good Pages.

And tell me when there will be an android version for:

Swordigo, Chinatown Wars, Pocket Planes, Street Fighter Volt, Fairway Solitaire, Beat Hazard Ultra, Infinity Blade II, Bike Baron, Gesundheit, Monkey Island 1-3, Groove Coaster, Starfront Collision, Aralon, Rage HD, Matching with Friends, The World Ends With You, Scribblenauts, Avengers Initiative, Back to the Future, Battle Academy, Zuma's Revenge, Touchgrind, MVC3, New Puzzle Bobble, SF vs Tekken, Ultimate MC3, Rayman Jungle Run, Wild Blood, Walking Dead, Final Fantasy Tactics, Final Fantasy Chaos Rings, Bastion, Skate It, Chrono Trigger, NFS Shift 2, Iron Man 2, Prince of Persia, Tom Clancys Hawk, Mirrors Edge, Hero of Sparta, Phoenix Wright, Limbo, Rock Band, Tiny Wings, Zombie Gunship, Eternal Legacy, Ticket To Ride, Sid Miers Pirates, Sid Miers Civilization
 

sc4rf4c3

macrumors regular
Oct 10, 2012
190
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How do you figure that?

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You know that most antivirus apps can be disabled to run on startup if you chose to. You installed an antivirus and got annoyed when it does its job. Regarding the brightness could it be that you have your auto brightness and power saving mode on.
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
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Of course they're not useless. My point is, there are nowhere near as many must have Android apps that arent on iOS, than vice versa. And almost any app that isnt on iOS has a good iOS counterpart. Example:

1. Maps+ (google maps on iOS)
2. Smart Keyboard
3. Swype is not an app
4. SonicMax Pro
5. Tasker is good. I'll give Android that one
6. Battery Doctor (but saving battery power is def needed more on large screen android phones)
7. Not needed. You can backup within iTunes, or iCloud
8. File manager is for SD cards. Media is managed in iPhoto.
9. Dashboard for Cydia (but I dont kill my battery and ram with widgets)
10. Cydia has emulators for nes, snes, gba, and n64.
11. Dashboard for Cydia again
12. Pinger. Plus a billion other sms/text apps

Name an android app thats as good as garage band, or FL Studio, Animoog, Filtratron, DJay, Figure, Nano Studio, iKaossilator, DM1, Multitrack DAW, ReBirth, Ampkit, Tab Toolkit, and Amplitube.

Or a movie editing app that's better than iMovie.

Or an educational app thats as good as iTunes U.

A word processor that's as good Pages.

And tell me when there will be an android version for:

Swordigo, Chinatown Wars, Pocket Planes, Street Fighter Volt, Fairway Solitaire, Beat Hazard Ultra, Infinity Blade II, Bike Baron, Gesundheit, Monkey Island 1-3, Groove Coaster, Starfront Collision, Aralon, Rage HD, Matching with Friends, The World Ends With You, Scribblenauts, Avengers Initiative, Back to the Future, Battle Academy, Zuma's Revenge, Touchgrind, MVC3, New Puzzle Bobble, SF vs Tekken, Ultimate MC3, Rayman Jungle Run, Wild Blood, Walking Dead, Final Fantasy Tactics, Final Fantasy Chaos Rings, Bastion, Skate It, Chrono Trigger, NFS Shift 2, Iron Man 2, Prince of Persia, Tom Clancys Hawk, Mirrors Edge, Hero of Sparta, Phoenix Wright, Limbo, Rock Band, Tiny Wings, Zombie Gunship, Eternal Legacy, Ticket To Ride, Sid Miers Pirates, Sid Miers Civilization

2. Isn't smart keyboard for Android?
6. Battery doctor is a joke and COMPLETELY useless as it doesn't DO anything.
8. File managers work on internal and external memory like windows explorer does in windows
9, 10, 11 - All require JB which I can't do to my company provided phone, even if I could its not even possible yet.

I'm not a musician and then I see a list of games (mostly bad) which not only don't I play but my 4S screen is too small to enjoy them anyway. I have dead trigger for both and not only is it more functional for Android since I can just plug in my PS3 controller but the screen is so cramped on my 4S it's just terrible. I'm not an iPhone hater because ill gladly admit the graphics are better on iOS. I just can't see how anyone could make a good argument for iPhone gaming with such a small screen that you need to get two thumbs on from lack of USB hosting support.
 

F123D

macrumors 68040
Sep 16, 2008
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Del Mar, CA
Are we really debating that iOS is better because it has tiny wings?

Jailbreaking definitely has its advantages. I wouldn't use an iPhone if I weren't able to jailbreak. But why jailbreak? One of the main reasons is to add tweaks and features that android has that apple just won't offer.

Even if you want to jailbreak, its becoming more difficult each year. When will a jailbreak even be available for iPhone 5 / iOS6? I'm tired of playing cat and mouse with apple just so I can have a fully functional phone instead of a watered down OS.

If you feel the need to jailbreak, it shows stock iOS is lacking.
 

Markyboy81

macrumors 6502a
Oct 30, 2011
514
0
Are we really debating that iOS is better because it has tiny wings?

Jailbreaking definitely has its advantages. I wouldn't use an iPhone if I weren't able to jailbreak. But why jailbreak? One of the main reasons is to add tweaks and features that android has that apple just won't offer.

Even if you want to jailbreak, its becoming more difficult each year. When will a jailbreak even be available for iPhone 5 / iOS6? I'm tired of playing cat and mouse with apple just so I can have a fully functional phone instead of a watered down OS.

If you feel the need to jailbreak, it shows stock iOS is lacking.

Also, when I jail broke my last iPhone, the battery life really suffered and none of my Internet banking apps worked.
 

xuselppa

macrumors member
Oct 10, 2012
48
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Of course they're not useless. My point is, there are nowhere near as many must have Android apps that arent on iOS, than vice versa. And almost any app that isnt on iOS has a good iOS counterpart. Example:

1. Maps+ (google maps on iOS)
2. Smart Keyboard
3. Swype is not an app
4. SonicMax Pro
5. Tasker is good. I'll give Android that one
6. Battery Doctor (but saving battery power is def needed more on large screen android phones)
7. Not needed. You can backup within iTunes, or iCloud
8. File manager is for SD cards. Media is managed in iPhoto.
9. Dashboard for Cydia (but I dont kill my battery and ram with widgets)
10. Cydia has emulators for nes, snes, gba, and n64.
11. Dashboard for Cydia again
12. Pinger. Plus a billion other sms/text apps

Name an android app thats as good as garage band, or FL Studio, Animoog, Filtratron, DJay, Figure, Nano Studio, iKaossilator, DM1, Multitrack DAW, ReBirth, Ampkit, Tab Toolkit, and Amplitube.

Or a movie editing app that's better than iMovie.

Or an educational app thats as good as iTunes U.

A word processor that's as good Pages.

And tell me when there will be an android version for:

Swordigo, Chinatown Wars, Pocket Planes, Street Fighter Volt, Fairway Solitaire, Beat Hazard Ultra, Infinity Blade II, Bike Baron, Gesundheit, Monkey Island 1-3, Groove Coaster, Starfront Collision, Aralon, Rage HD, Matching with Friends, The World Ends With You, Scribblenauts, Avengers Initiative, Back to the Future, Battle Academy, Zuma's Revenge, Touchgrind, MVC3, New Puzzle Bobble, SF vs Tekken, Ultimate MC3, Rayman Jungle Run, Wild Blood, Walking Dead, Final Fantasy Tactics, Final Fantasy Chaos Rings, Bastion, Skate It, Chrono Trigger, NFS Shift 2, Iron Man 2, Prince of Persia, Tom Clancys Hawk, Mirrors Edge, Hero of Sparta, Phoenix Wright, Limbo, Rock Band, Tiny Wings, Zombie Gunship, Eternal Legacy, Ticket To Ride, Sid Miers Pirates, Sid Miers Civilization
Interesting that you bring jailbreaking and cydia apps into this debate. Please show us a screenshot from an iPhone 5 or any device running ios6 with these tweaks. You can't, because iOs6 isn't jailbroken. Nearly everything listed by other people is available to any stock Android phone right out of the box.

And I am curious why you think games are important, because gaming on iOS is a pathetic joke. Game with an S3 or Galaxy Nexus phone/tablet and you can play with a PS3 or Xbox 360 controller. Games like Modern Combat 3 (plays just like Call of Duty: Black OPS) Dead Trigger, Mass Effect 3, or go old school and play nES, SNES, N64 games (any game ever made), or maybe some PS1 games, if you like?

As for the games you mentioned, just off the top of my head, I know the following are in the Play Store (maybe you forgot to look?)
Solitaire, Pocket Planes, Rayman Jungle Run, Tiny Wings, and Prince of Persia (the actual original classic game). Infinity Blade is unique to iOS but you might as well play the 1980's classic Dragon's Lair. It's basically the same thing, with prerecorded moves that need to be timed.
That said, those FPS games I mentioned for Android and using a PS3 controller is like having a mini console with you at all times. I got tired of always trying to use virtual buttons on the iPad and iPhone. Just wasn't a very pleasant experience. Hence, my opinion that gaming on iDevices sucks.

P.S. icloud and iTunes is not the same thing as using Titanium Backup or ROM Toolbox with all your apps and system files backed up right there on your phones SD card. And managing files on an unjailbroken iPhone is impossible (since you aren't allowed because there is no file manager) and file management with a unjailbroken iPad or iPhone is rudimentary at best, on the device. And I will take having the ability to use, edit and email Word, Excel and PowerPoint files over having a simple word editing app like Pages. Android trumps iOS in all of these categories, will iOS is much better in music creation and movie editing. I have never used or seen iTunes U, so can't comment.
 
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