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JonL12345

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I just had one of those eureka moments. The distinction for me is this: if you are seeking predominantly a phone, then the iPhone wins since it is a nicer size to hold. If you want a computer that makes phone calls, go Android, since it can do practically anything and has a larger screen.

Now about the updates being slow to come to the machines. Now really, is this a big deal? Android already is more feature rich than iOS. So to claim it comes 4 months to your phone after an update (whereas the iOS is instant) is silly. I would rather stick with an older Android OS that does more than the brand spanking new iOS that does less.
 

Compile 'em all

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I just had one of those eureka moments. The distinction for me is this: if you are seeking predominantly a phone, then the iPhone wins since it is a nicer size to hold. If you want a computer that makes phone calls, go Android, since it can do practically anything and has a larger screen.

Now about the updates being slow to come to the machines. Now really, is this a big deal? Android already is more feature rich than iOS. So to claim it comes 4 months to your phone after an update (whereas the iOS is instant) is silly. I would rather stick with an older Android OS that does more than the brand spanking new iOS that does less.


You see, the problem with your logic is that Android only until recently has always been garbage. Jelly Bean isn't just some normal upgrade. It turns something that was essentially crap into something, in my opinion, quite okay.
 

JonL12345

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I'm looking forwards, not rooted in the past. Its the same for anyone else who makes a decision on what phone to buy. The "slow to release updates" argument just doesn't hold water anymore.
 

aznguyen316

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I'm looking forwards, not rooted in the past. Its the same for anyone else who makes a decision on what phone to buy. The "slow to release updates" argument just doesn't hold water anymore.

I don't see why this doesn't hold up. Look at the xda threads you'll see the amount of work out into by developers and users on the forum to test builds of jelly bean brought to the s3 bc samsung or Verizon whoever is to blame has yet to bring the current software to it. There is a reason updated software gets released. Bug fixes (see 4.1.2) speed enhancements (butter project 4.1.1) and new features. If there are so many people interested in getting the latest OS via rooting and unlocking methods I feel this should be an argument that can hold ground. If one were to walk into a store and see oh one handset has the latest OS while another has yet to receive it, I believe this was factor into a buying decision when many offer similar hardware features. Especially like the s3 you lose a lot of touchwiz features or camera improvements when upgrading to an aosp rom..

I'm making this argument and not even comparing it to iOS. Just the fact that android has an update yet many handsets don't see these updates until down the line or often times never. Isn't 2.3 still the most popular android OS? That is not as feature rich as 4.0 or 4.1

Yes, sometimes features have learning curves. Doesn't mean they are useless when you and a group of friends haven't learned how.

Disclaimer: I'm not even an S3 fan nor owner of one. Just saying that story proves nothing when it comes to usefulness or not.

Doesn't something need to be used for it to be useful? Isn't usefulness pretty much an opinion for an individual? Apparently no one bothered to learn how to use it bc well no one cared to use it. It was because there was a group of us that had the s3 available and we saw the marketing hype bump to share playlists yeah let's see how this works! I use drop box to share pics but I'm sure many people don't find drop box very useful. Add to the fact some of us were on different roms bc no one wants to speedily update the OS made things difficult.
 
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JonL12345

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My argument was referring to why someone might go iOS rather than Android, due to any time lag before your phone gets the update. What you are referring to is update delays between Android phones. That is something completely different.

The Apple fanboys often use this argument as why iOS is better. But its not, for the reasons I previously stated.
 

onthecouchagain

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Now about the updates being slow to come to the machines. Now really, is this a big deal? Android already is more feature rich than iOS. So to claim it comes 4 months to your phone after an update (whereas the iOS is instant) is silly. I would rather stick with an older Android OS that does more than the brand spanking new iOS that does less.

So this. Very good point.
 

JonL12345

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Or in Apples case, too little too late.

If less is more, why worry about any update lag? Hmmmm....
 

JonL12345

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I loved my iPhone 3GS. It felt lovely in the hand. But Apple has taken their eye off the ball and is left with a stale operating system. I was shocked at how good the Android OS was when I looked a month ago.

Apple are very good at keeping you blinkered and perpetuating myths. If I mainly wanted a phone I would probably get an iPhone 5. But nowadays, "phones" can do so much more. They are exceptionally powerful tools in your pocket - well, at least the Androids are. ;)
 

FlatlinerG

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Some interesting points to note, but I would definitely rename the video to 50 features that the S3 has, and completely drop the notion that it is "better than" the iPhone 5.

A few more reasons:

* Capacitive buttons. Better than hardware buttons. The back button is amazingly useful.
* Video calling to any phone except iPhone. Facetime only works with iPhone, iPad and Mac. iPhone 4, 4S, 5, iPod Touch 4th and 5th gen, iPad 2, iPad 3rd gen, and any mac with a front facing camera running Lion or snow leopard with the FaceTime app. That's a pretty long list.
* Better maps app, better YouTube app.
* Background downloads while you do something else. Does this on iOS 6 too.
* Notifications icons in the status bar.
* Ability to jailbreak (called root) easily from day one. No need to wait months for the jailbreak to be released. Ability to downgrade firmware any time easily also. Subjective, not everyone feels the need to root or jailbreak. This is not a feature..
* Ability to upload any type of file to dropbox, your NAS, etc.
* Download any type of file from internet and being able to use it, like a .rar or .zip and extract its files inside. No need to mention the huge security risks with this ability...
* Weather on lockscreen, news, voice commands, etc. Siri works on the lock screen, and she'll give me weather or any other typical siri function.
* New Google Now and Google voice search.
* Radio FM. IPhone can listen to web radio, but there are places where 3G is not available.
* Ability to install apps that would never be allowed on ios, such as a torrent downloader, emulators, etc. Again with the security risks involved.
* Offline voice dictation on several languages.
* Backups are way more faster to restore with nandroid backup. Works just like an iTunes backup, but takes only 12 minutes for me. Backup time depends completely on the content being backed up. Also, with iCloud backups iOS devices can backup automatically while you sleep. I don't tend to count time while I sleep..
* My 48 GB version cost me 300€ less than what the 16GB iPhone 5 costs. 16GB plus 32GB micro SD. I just can't understand how a 16GB phone can cost 669€ unlocked and 599€ on contract with my voice and data plan.

Nice things, but the phone is too big! :D:D

There are always going to be valid points, but the majority here that I left alone would be easy enough things to fix with the iPhone. Except for the ability to add additional memory via the use of SD cards. That being said, I always hated having to carry around SD cards and never know where my stuff was or who, ultimately, would be responsible to support that SD card with my phone.

The best features that iPhone has that no other phone seems to understand, is that less is more and the simplicity and responsibility with everything being "call Apple" is easier to understand in terms of who supports what.
 

b24pgg

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The best features that iPhone has that no other phone seems to understand, is that less is more and the simplicity and responsibility with everything being "call Apple" is easier to understand in terms of who supports what.
I think everyone understands this, and it is what fundamentally differentiates iPhone and Android.

If you want what Apple gives you, go with the iPhone. If you want total control and customization, go with Android.

That's really what it comes down to.
 

JonL12345

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Less what though? Less options? Less choice? Less features? Such as broad statement as "less is more" means nothing.

"Announcing the new iPhone 6. No new features. In fact, we removed some to follow the mantra that less is more."

News alert! Comparison between S3 and iPhone just released. The results are now in. S3 has more choice, features and options than the iPhone 5. So, the iPhone is the clear winner! lol
 

matttye

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I loved my iPhone 3GS. It felt lovely in the hand. But Apple has taken their eye off the ball and is left with a stale operating system. I was shocked at how good the Android OS was when I looked a month ago.

Apple are very good at keeping you blinkered and perpetuating myths. If I mainly wanted a phone I would probably get an iPhone 5. But nowadays, "phones" can do so much more. They are exceptionally powerful tools in your pocket - well, at least the Androids are. ;)

The OS isn't stale, it does the job. Windows doesn't get a wildly different interface every year and nobody ever says its stale. Why? Because an OS isn't meant to be fun - it's the applications that are meant to be fun.
 

FlatlinerG

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I think everyone understands this, and it is what fundamentally differentiates iPhone and Android.

If you want what Apple gives you, go with the iPhone. If you want total control and customization, go with Android.

That's really what it comes down to.


Bingo. It's what really erks me when it comes to the whole iPhone vs. Every other Android phone out there debate. Not one is better than the other, it is completely and solely dependent on the answer to, do you want choice.

I am very indecisive, iPhone's are heaven to me.
 

Dmaynard83

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Less what though? Less options? Less choice? Less features? Such as broad statement as "less is more" means nothing.

"Announcing the new iPhone 6. No new features. In fact, we removed some to follow the mantra that less is more."

News alert! Comparison between S3 and iPhone just released. The results are now in. S3 has more choice, features and options than the iPhone 5. So, the iPhone is the clear winner! lol

Yet the iPhone got the better ratings. Ironic.
 
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xuselppa

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The OS isn't stale, it does the job. Windows doesn't get a wildly different interface every year and nobody ever says its stale. Why? Because an OS isn't meant to be fun - it's the applications that are meant to be fun.

Given a choice between flying first class or flying coach (both tickets cost the same), you would choose to fly coach? If you had the choice between a BMW M3 and an old Yugo (both cost the same) you would pick the Yugo?

A saying like "it does the job" is just another way of saying you accept mediocrity, because you have no choice. Many iPhone users take this approach for some reason. To me, it is unacceptable.

And Windows phones don't really change because no one buys them. Who is out there to complain the OS is stale?

Lastly, I find the Android OS (in my case it is both ICS and Jelly Bean) to be fun to play with, an enjoyment to customize and make my own, a please to view my unique interface and a challenge if I want to tweak the ROM. You can do none of this with iOS unless you jailbreak (and you can't even do that yet on an iphone 5.)
 
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matttye

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Given a choice between flying first class or flying coach (both tickets cost the same), you would choose to fly coach? If you had the choice between a BMW M3 and an old Yugo (both cost the same) you would pick the Yugo?

A saying like "it does the job" is just another way of saying you accept mediocrity, because you have no choice. Many iPhone users take this approach for some reason. To me, it is unacceptable.

And Windows phones don't really change because no one buys them. Who is out there to complain the OS is stale?

Lastly, I find the Android OS (in my case it is both ICS and Jelly Bean) to be fun to play with, an enjoyment to customize and make my own, a please to view my unique interface and a challenge if I want to tweak the ROM. You can do none of this with iOS unless you jailbreak (and you can't even do that yet on an iphone 5.)

I don't accept mediocrity. I used Android for about three years prior to getting my iPhone 5. I had a HTC Desire, a Galaxy S2 and a Galaxy S3. I've used all versions of the Android OS from Eclair to Jelly Bean, other than Honeycomb. I prefer iOS because it's just so much more well thought out and works better for the things I need from my smartphone.

When I said it does the job, I meant that it works fine and there's no reason to change it drastically. Apple risks alienating their customer base if they change it too much. Evolutionary upgrades seem to be working well.

iMessages, pictures, reminders, etc, are all synced with my iPad. Shared photo streams are awesome. I use geolocation reminders quite a bit - very useful. My phone automatically connects to bluetooth every time I get in the car; Galaxy S3 was hit and miss. Siri is better than S Voice and I use it quite a bit whilst driving or working out. My iPhone can connect to and switch between both bands on my dual band WiFi router; I used to have to toggle WiFi off and on again on my S3 to connect to the 5GHz band. No need to toggle settings on/off to save battery life.
 

macsmurf

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Given a choice between flying first class or flying coach (both tickets cost the same), you would choose to fly coach? If you had the choice between a BMW M3 and an old Yugo (both cost the same) you would pick the Yugo?

Well, with an Android phone, at least I would know where to go and how to get there ;)
 

F123D

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Sometimes less is more.

Less options, less functionality, less features equals less confusion.

It's not really less is more. It's more like less is simple.

Apple has total control over what you can and can't do so you don't have to think.

If you want simple, purchase an iPhone. If you want options and features, purchase an android.
 

munkery

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uhhh, how do you think the iPhone gets jailbroken? Unicorns and fairy dust?

Bootrom exploits used to jailbreak iOS can't be leverage in the same way as the root exploits used in malware in Android.

Of the type of privilege escalation exploits used in malware, android doesn't have a tremendous amount more of these vulnerabilities but over 50% of Android devices aren't fully patched so malware developers can leverage these exploits because the vulnerabilities are known and unpatched in many devices.

https://blog.duosecurity.com/2012/0...ay-over-50-of-android-devices-are-vulnerable/

http://www.csc.ncsu.edu/faculty/jiang/pubs/OAKLAND12.pdf
 
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xuselppa

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Here is more than 50 reasons why iOS is better than Android:



http://www.csc.ncsu.edu/faculty/jiang/pubs/OAKLAND12.pdf

The article is talking about malware.

And here is a great article discussing Apple's lax security measures on peripherals.

Lightning cable may not be so tough to crack after all. A new analysis from the reverse engineering specialists at Chipworks shows that the Lightning does have a special chip that’s designed to implement security measures and thus thwart manufacturers’ ability to create cheap knockoffs. But as far as security chips go, the Lightning’s isn’t all that special as Chipworks found that its “security does not come close to the herculean approaches that are used in… today’s printer cartridges, but resembles the level of effort that cartridge manufacturers used to implement in the olden days.”

Chipworks suspects that this is “a calculated decision by Apple to keep costs to a minimum knowing that their core customer base prefers to shop in Apple stores or for brand name peripherals.” Or put another way, since Apple’s customers are so fiercely loyal and are used to paying higher prices for their products, the company doesn’t have to worry as much about them scouring for cheaper alternatives and can thus provide fairly lax security on its accessories.
 
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