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A Fan of Safari 15? Yes/No
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I like it but I have yet to figure out how to get to the downloads screen… it shows me the dot on the share sheet button but single pressing, long pressing, all over the address bar and I gave up and went to Files.
When having multiple tabs open on my iPad, sometimes closing one (tapping X or using Command-W) closes the entire app instead of just the tab. Are other experiencing that?
Yes, this. If you want at that downloaded item, you better act fast because that Download icon will quickly change to the Reader icon. And then back to the Reload icon. You basically just have to know where your downloads are kept and go there on your own. Add it to the long list of deprecated actions all in the name of accessibility.
“But it’s easier to tap on the Address Bar now!”
ppffffttttttt
I have tried Safari in iOS 15 PB4 and quite like the address bar at the bottom, but find it poorly implemented right now.
What about this? Below is the screenshot of Safari in iOS 14:
1) Imagine that we move the address bar as it is (marked A) to the very bottom in full width (with the reader and reload button). As we move along the page, it shrinks, as it does in iOS 14 now.
2) We are then left with the bottom bar (marked B) for extra commands. The left and right arrows are not really needed as we can sweep left or right, while the rest of the commands can be accessed by long-pressing on the bar?
This could be much neater, IMO.
What about this? Below is the screenshot of Safari in iOS 14:
1) Imagine that we move the address bar as it is (marked A) to the very bottom in full width (with the reader and reload button). As we move along the page, it shrinks, as it does in iOS 14 now.
2) We are then left with the bottom bar (marked B) for extra commands. The left and right arrows are not really needed as we can sweep left or right, while the rest of the commands can be accessed by long-pressing on the bar?
This could be much neater, IMO.
Tbh, I like how Safari was on the first beta. Criticism caused Apple to cram the compact address bar with too many buttons.
It was smart for them to add a contextual menu (where it has the reload button) for a long press of the address bar, then using the menu button gives users additional options along with tab button to access tabs. I preferred it that way.. it was straightforward.
I don’t like it because the touchpoints are so small in portrait mode. I consistently hit refresh instead of the actual address bar I want to type in. My eyes naturally look at the top at the search results when typing in the address bar and not looking at the bottom where I’m really typing. When I’m landscape, the address bar is at the top as is always has been, but no refresh option. No indication on how to refresh. I just happened to long press and see it.
iCloud tabs is all the way at the bottom of the page. Have to scroll down, which is annoying. Going in and out of private mode is an extra step or two. Just too many changes just for the sake of change. It’s a crappy update UI-wise.
iCloud tabs is all the way at the bottom of the page. Have to scroll down, which is annoying. Going in and out of private mode is an extra step or two. Just too many changes just for the sake of change. It’s a crappy update UI-wise.
It worked fine until DB4. Also that reload arrow in the center of the bar frustrated me too. I’m so used to tapping the middle of the bar to input a URL. Grrrr.
Indeed. I was happy with the first beta too and I have the same complaints you do.
Sounds similar to a concept I posted a week or so ago, basically keeps the swipeable tabs from Safari 15 but reintroduces the bottom bar for buttons and gives the interface more room. I honestly think Apple won't release Safari as it currently stands with the 'all in one tab' interface either ditched entirely or they'll be a redesign before release. There are just too many compromises with the current interface.
This concept above improves reachability, as everything is at the bottom, but takes up the same amount of screen space? I also think they will tweak Safari more as we progress through betas, there is time.
Yes i believe safari is crashing not really closing. I reported it but you should as well
I find mock-ups like this to be SO much better than what Apple initially introduced with Safari 15, but still… there wasn’t anything wrong with Safari 14. And if simply moving the URL bar to the bottom and then hiding all of the most commonly used features has created this much of a divide on how it should be going forward, it’s just not good overall. Again, for people with Max sized iPhones, it’s not just Safari that has stuff at the top. I personally went BACK to a regular sized iPhone because I felt the Max phones to be a little too big. Safari was not one of the apps giving me fits, though. Now that the URL bar is at the bottom, I’m almost tempted to go BACK to a Max style iPhone this fall. Seems silly for this one change to be this disruptive.
From my experiences, more people tend to wait until the 4th beta release to try out new OS’ like these. So maybe most feedback filed with Apple up until now are from those of us on since Beta 1. Maybe now that we’re further along and more people jump on the betas, there’ll be more feedback filed, and then a more rapid cycle of changes as the weekly beta cycle ramps up. Hopefully.
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I installed iOS 15 beta on my iPad and have been using it for a couple of hours. I have to say that I prefer the compact view than the new standard one. I love tab groups and this will change the way I use Safari. On my iMac I still run BigSur and Safari 14 and I prefer the new design. Having said that, I understand that people are mostly against change and that this new design is controversial.
Someone said that it is difficult to see the current active tab, but this is not true. The current tab is easy to distinguish from all other tabs. The only thing that I would like to see Apple implementing, is an all tabs view, that includes all tab groups. Also the ability to save a tab group and/or export it to file.
Someone said that it is difficult to see the current active tab, but this is not true. The current tab is easy to distinguish from all other tabs. The only thing that I would like to see Apple implementing, is an all tabs view, that includes all tab groups. Also the ability to save a tab group and/or export it to file.
Other than the Start Page in Safari for iPadOS & macOS now requiring you to actually tap/click the Side Bar button to view it, I’m perfectly happy with Safari there. In Safari 14 you’d just see your Side Bar on the left, and could set it to your Reading List or Bookmarks, history.. Then navigate to any page and the Side Bar goes away. Now you have to have the Side Bar on or off full time, regardless of the site you go to. Not sure how that’s better..
My Main gripes with Safari 15, and actually what prompted me to start this poll in the first place, was aimed more towards Safari on iOS 15. It seems like there’s too many features pulled from the iPadOS Version of Safari 15, which in turn is pulling from the macOS version of Safari. A Web Browser on a Phone is going to have different workflows than on a larger tablet, let alone on a computer or laptop…
…But then they started out right out of the gate with a completely minimal version of Safari for iOS. And then have slowly been adding things back to try bringing it up to par. This is exactly what they did with the Mail app in the iOS 13 betas. Break it all down to nothing and then start over by frantically ”fixing“ it through the weekly betas at the end of the cycle, and then even still changing it around for 13.1 because of so many people complaining.
I’d say I’m shocked at how divided this poll still is, but now that I think about it, I’m not at all. We’re all tech folks here. And tech folks have an easier time adapting to change, being more apt to see the good in whatever changes may bring. When iOS 15 comes out to the masses in a month or so, though, get ready to field all the questions/help from friends & family as to why Apple borked Safari. And then prepare for a few releases with some changes. Again.
But there’s two different changes within Safari.. there’s iOS and iPadOS. I’d say iOS has to adapt the most… given the address bar is down below. That‘s a huge fundamental change and it will be controversial once it’s release to the public. And how everything is laid out differently… especially swiping for tabs on iOS 15.
Tbh, I think Safari for iPadOS won’t be as problematic compared to iOS. Apple has given two option for compact or separate, which will alleviate some of the backlash against Safari for iPadOS 15. I don’t have an iPhone… but I used Safari for iOS 15 on one of my family iPhone.
And if I had no knowledge whatsoever of the new design change… it would take awhile to adjust. Yeah, we are all tech enthusiasts here… but the average user will need help.
And IMO, if a large percentage of users (or in this poll's case, around 50%) don't like the changes or need to have things explained to them, regardless of whether people would "adjust", that's bad design. The Web Browser is one of the most used apps on a phone. If not THEE most used app. If everyone's going to need a brief explainer or "how to" when they use their phone's default Web Browser, it's designed badly. And what's worse is that if there is some kind of splash page introduced to explain basic functionality, it'll probably be just like any of the other Apple app's "What's New" pages that come up initially and then are never seen again.
I just want the address bar always hidden until I physically tap on it. I hate that it gets in the way all the time.
Yeah, it jumps around a lot. I've tapped below the floating Address Bar and above the App Switcher white bar at the bottom before, inadvertently opening a number of pages on accident. Just wait until the bad actors come out and make malicious pages that encourage that.
I’m getting a bit more used to it, although I still don’t like it. But I still think it’s quite bad on iPadOS and Monterey. I know they reverted the separated tabs, but the new design is bad (in my opinion) and there are some glitches which where not present before (like dragging a single tab with no other tabs open does not open a new start page).