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mib1800

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but the software is where all these android phone lose me and I hate using it. A two step process on ios can take 4 or 5 steps to do the same exact thing on Android. Most of the stuff is buried so deep in differnt menus and options that its crazy.

The above best describes iOS than Android.

- 2 press to call up Task Manager. 1 press on Android
- 2-3 times more swipes to scroll the small amount compared to android
- waste time to move and stretch your thumb to top left for back button
- Many steps just to toogle wifi & select different network compared to 2 or 3 on android
- Pain in the behind many steps to access app settings compare to one press in Android

and many more...
 

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This isn't a hater post but rather a genuine question, what do people find the pen useful for?
I love my apple pencil with my iPad pro but it is much larger and feels like an actual pen. on something so small it feels like typing would just be easier.
Writing quick notes without waking the phone.
 

MarkB786

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You'll be back. I said the same thing once..tried Android and was back with an iPhone in less than a week. Nothing compares to iOS and the fluidity of iPhones. I can care less about customizing screens etc. It felt like I cheated on my wife and had to ask for forgiveness when I came back to the iPhone. It felt like I was back home.

It all depends on the user's needs and work flow. So far, I am very happy with my ability to cistomize the phone, as well as with numerous other features that make life easier (such as the pen, options to keep the screen unlocked at defined locations, multiple ways to get to app short cuts). Already have my mac email address working and my Gear 3 watch up and running. Has taken me a few hours to figure out Android, but really feeling unfettereed from Apple's strict and stifling user interface. Zero regrets after a day...
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The above best describes iOS than Android.

- 2 press to call up Task Manager. 1 press on Android
- 2-3 times more swipes to scroll the small amount compared to android
- waste time to move and stretch your thumb to top left for back button
- Many steps just to toogle wifi & select different network compared to 2 or 3 on android
- Pain in the behind many steps to access app settings compare to one press in Android

and many more...

Agree. I am pushing way fewer buttons on the Note 8 than my ip7+. In addition, I'm really liking the 'keep unlock' feature. I put a dot on my home and work, and my phone stays unlocked if I choose until I go outside the geofence. Don't need to mess around with the fingerprint sensor all day long.

'Force touch' on the Note is also better than iOS. More options come up, and the screen is just more responsive. The Always On screen (with clock) lets me see the time and other things without touching my phone.

I am also no longer double-swiping my screen to get the phone to respond. The Note screen is very smooth and responsive.

And loving the pen. Take it out and take a quick note without unlocking the phone. The ios 11 attempt at this on the ipad is nowhere near as smooth or easy to use.

App switching is much easier, and the Snap and split display modes have been coming in handy. With Snap, I can pin a part of an app's screen so I can reference it while using another app.

Common apps between the two platforms look almost identical.

So far, the Note is better for productivty for the way I work.
 
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Italianblend

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Yes, because what a truly life changing feature that would be.
I'm glad you agree with me. I also feel as if in 2017 we can have some customization. Staring at green/blue text bubbles for 10 years now...you'd think we'd get a say in what we see. What would be the harm in letting us change the bubble color?
 

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There are apps such as Join that push your notifications to the desktop. It's not as slick as iMessage. But you can get ANY notification pushed to your computer.

Not sure about iPad as I just use that as a separate device. I don't use it for messaging really.

Or you can just use iMessages that is completely seamless across all Apple devices.
 

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I'm glad you agree with me. I also feel as if in 2017 we can have some customization. Staring at green/blue text bubbles for 10 years now...you'd think we'd get a say in what we see. What would be the harm in letting us change the bubble color?
No harm, I just don't personally feel it would make that much of a difference, to that many people.
 

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I hate all of the extra verizon crap added. It is 2017 verizon, we don't need your crap apps. It reminds me of the pre 2007 days of phones.

My goodness, Android devices still come with crapware and bloatware? No thanks.
 

dallas112678

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That's true it feel more secure on iphone than android specially business/banking thing.

There are monthly security updates and google scans the playstore daily.

Basically, don't download an app that just got onto the store, looks sketchy, and has very few downloads. You aren't going to get malware from any remotely popular app that's been around for a few weeks.

If you are really worried about it, I suggest you don't go on the internet at all, I mean you might fall for a Nigerian scam e-mail or something like that :O.
 
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Hustler1337

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Just came from a Samsung store today and been fiddling around with the Note 8 as I'm looking to buy it in the next month. I've been an iPhone user for 8 years and over the last year or so, I've been tempted to switch. I thought I'd wait out and see what Apple has to offer with the iPhone X but like many, it's been pretty disappointing for me. The price is also ridiculous in terms of added value.

Back to the Note 8 and my experience of playing around with in the store, my impressions of the phone and it's design was great. The screen quality looks amazing and I can see myself using the S-Pen in day-to-day tasks, it's good to have it as an accessory. The fingerprint reader wasn't as bad as I though it would be in terms of being able to reach it with my smaller hands. It's still accessible, but will definitely require 2 hands. I guess I could work around that with a PIN/Pattern lock for one-handed use, so it shouldn't be as much of an issue for me. The size of the Note 8 is pretty much the same size as my 6 Plus, so there's no real difference in terms of overall physical space, which I'm pleased about. The screen however is a lot bigger, and the tallness of the display can seem a bit odd, but once you use it, you definitely feel the benefits of the taller screen, being able to see a lot more without having to scroll. I appreciate that the iPhone X now has a larger screen, but overall, i'm struggling to justify the insane price of the iPhone X compared to added value.

Waiting for a good deal to come by for the Note 8 and will be placing my order soon. :)
 
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dallas112678

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So take the pen from its storage and write on a blank screen? With no way to view what you're actually writing? Is that really easier than typing?

Oh, god, of course you can see what you're writing. The whole point is the entire screen doesn't turn on, only the pixels that you actually write on, you know, the same type of thing you'd expect if you were writing on a piece of paper.

Yes, taking the S-Pen out and immediately writing on the screen and then tapping an icon to keep the note pinned on the screen so you can view it at all time IS much easier than unlocking your iPhone, opening a notes app, typing the note, and then have to go through the same unlock, open notes app just to view the note you took.

Guys, if you are going to bash the Note 8, maybe you should actually spend 2 minutes to see how it actually works. If you don't, you'll just look stupid and fanboyish like the poster I am quoting.
 

deany

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10 years with an iPhone as well also Apple watch, iPad Mini 2, rMBP 2015 13".

Looked at the Samsung Galaxy S8 today...WOW, just WOW!!.
I'm not jumping ship yet, the discounted offer in UK which is compelling is on for the whole of Sept.
Didn't think I'd be interested in the S8+ but its the same size as my weighs a ton mophie iPhone 6 and the S8+ has a duel sim capability for same price as standard S8+ (must buy from Samsung UK for duel sim in seems).

I was on the fence, but after today I'm 75% jumping ship.

Tomorrow I look at all iOS apps I use and sync functionality iCloud etc and work out whether the extra 25% is going to be viable.
Also need to buy this liquid screen protector first.

ps
I also looked as Note 8, absolutely gorgeous, but not on offer as only launched yesterday.
 
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MarkB786

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Writing quick notes without waking the phone.

The phone knows when the pen is removed. In one day, i have already used this to capture phone numbers and quick reminders. Syncs the the cloud. The phone even sounds an alarm when you walk away with the phone but leave the pen behind.

Ives and company, IMHO, have become too caught up in aesthetics and have lost sight of productivty. Yes, the iphone is a tight, well-designed unit, but not as practical (for me) as the Note.
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10 years with an iPhone as well also Apple watch, iPad Mini 2, rMBP 2015 13".

Looked at the Samsung Galaxy S8 today...WOW, just WOW!!.
I'm not jumping ship yet, the discounted offer in UK which is compelling is on for the whole of Sept.
Didn't think I'd be interested in the S8+ but its the same size as my weighs a ton mophie iPhone 6 and the S8+ has a duel sim capability for same price as standard S8+ (must buy from Samsung UK for duel sim in seems).

I was on the fence, but after today I'm 75% jumping ship.

Tomorrow I look at all iOS apps I use and sync functionality iCloud etc and work out whether the extra 25% is going to be viable.

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I also looked as Note 8, absolutely gorgeous, but not on offer as only launched yesterday.


Have been happy. Just be ready for a few hours of mild frustration as you adjust to Android. Not a negative, but you're going from a system that thinks for you to one where you have many more customization options. Lots of hints and tips onlIne.
 

Surfer13134

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Just came from a Samsung store today and been fiddling around with the Note 8 as I'm looking to buy it in the next month. I've been an iPhone user for 8 years and over the last year or so, I've been tempted to switch. I thought I'd wait out and see what Apple has to offer with the iPhone X but like many, it's been pretty disappointing for me. The price is also ridiculous in terms of added value.

Back to the Note 8 and my experience of playing around with in the store, my impressions of the phone and it's design was great. The screen quality looks amazing and I can see myself using the S-Pen in day-to-day tasks, it's good to have it as an accessory. The fingerprint reader wasn't as bad as I though it would be in terms of being able to reach it with my smaller hands. It's still accessible, but will definitely require 2 hands. I guess I could work around that with a PIN/Pattern lock for one-handed use, so it shouldn't be as much of an issue for me. The size of the Note 8 is pretty much the same size as my 6 Plus, so there's no real difference in terms of overall physical space, which I'm pleased about. The screen however is a lot bigger, and the tallness of the display can seem a bit odd, but once you use it, you definitely feel the benefits of the taller screen, being able to see a lot more without having to scroll. I appreciate that the iPhone X now has a larger screen, but overall, i'm struggling to justify the insane price of the iPhone X compared to added value.

Waiting for a good deal to come by for the Note 8 and will be placing my order soon. :)

Dont forget the IRIS scanner as well. Just look at the phone and it unlocks for you =)
 
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My goodness, Android devices still come with crapware and bloatware? No thanks.

With which you simply disable the app you don't want and you won't ever see it again. My S7 Edge came with a few Rogers (my carrier here in Canada) apps and first thing I did was disable them. Done. They don't run ever, and I don't see them. Simple stuff really.
 

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Oh, god, of course you can see what you're writing. The whole point is the entire screen doesn't turn on, only the pixels that you actually write on, you know, the same type of thing you'd expect if you were writing on a piece of paper.

Yes, taking the S-Pen out and immediately writing on the screen and then tapping an icon to keep the note pinned on the screen so you can view it at all time IS much easier than unlocking your iPhone, opening a notes app, typing the note, and then have to go through the same unlock, open notes app just to view the note you took.

Guys, if you are going to bash the Note 8, maybe you should actually spend 2 minutes to see how it actually works. If you don't, you'll just look stupid and fanboyish like the poster I am quoting.
As much as critics bagged on the original Note for having a stylus, I think even Apple has admitted to the usefulness of a stylus with their Apple Pencil. The key is that the stylus is not necessary to use the phone (the oft quoted line from Steve Jobs was probably a criticism of both older UI design and resistive touch technology found in stylus-based devices like Palm was making in 2007)-- in this case (meaning, on the Note series), the stylus adds additional usefulness / functionality. And what you just described sounds like Apple has adopted a similar functionality on the iPad Pro in iOS 11-- touch the Apple Pencil to the lock screen and it opens a new note without unlocking the device. Credit to Samsung for doing it first (and while I haven't tried either, it does still sound like the Samsung Note route is more efficient-- sounds very cool based on your description).

Perhaps we'll eventually see an iPhone XL some day with a mini Apple Pencil mimicking Samsung some more ;) (I know a lot of people still wish they could use the pencil on iPhone even today.)
 
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Hustler1337

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The phone knows when the pen is removed. In one day, i have already used this to capture phone numbers and quick reminders. Syncs the the cloud. The phone even sounds an alarm when you walk away with the phone but leave the pen behind.

Pretty neat feature, never knew that. Small things like this is what makes a good device great. Unfortunately, it seems Apple have lost its way over the years and it's the competition that are picking up their slack.
 

mwhals

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$20 says you'll be back. Nothing wrong with the Note 8 except for Android. On their own, the latest Samsung models are amazing hardware-wise.

I don't know hardly anyone who didn't switch back to iOS within 1 year if not sooner. I think I know 1 person who stuck with Android after leaving iOS.
I will admit you don't know me, but I have been away from iOS for almost two years so far and see nothing to compel me to come back.
 

rumz

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Pretty neat feature, never knew that. Small things like this is what makes a good device great. Unfortunately, it seems Apple have lost its way over the years and it's the competition that are picking up their slack.
I think the truth is that it's competition that drives things forward. It'd be interesting to see what the world looked like with only Android, since you still have multiple vendors deploying various implementations of Android to try to sell their hardware.

But as it stands, iI think both platforms are better for having competition. Even if Apple appears to be lagging behind in many respects.
 
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I think the truth is that it's competition that drives things forward. It'd be interesting to see what the world looked like with only Android, since you still have multiple vendors deploying various implementations of Android to try to sell their hardware.

But as it stands, iI think both platforms are better for having competition. Even if Apple appears to be lagging behind in many respects.

Yep, it is competition that's the ultimate driver of innovation the consumers ultimately benefit from it. But lately I've not seen much in the way of innovation from Apple like they have been in the past. Hopefully they'll realise that soon when people start shifting over to the other side and vote with their wallet.
 
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The phone knows when the pen is removed. In one day, i have already used this to capture phone numbers and quick reminders. Syncs the the cloud. The phone even sounds an alarm when you walk away with the phone but leave the pen behind.

Ives and company, IMHO, have become too caught up in aesthetics and have lost sight of productivty. Yes, the iphone is a tight, well-designed unit, but not as practical (for me) as the Note.
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Have been happy. Just be ready for a few hours of mild frustration as you adjust to Android. Not a negative, but you're going from a system that thinks for you to one where you have many more customization options. Lots of hints and tips onlIne.

Hi
I have used a Moto android £40 'spare phone'
A few things I dont like-
• as you say getting used to it!
• the keyboard
• the copy and paste with those side things

There is a video(s) on youtube "how to make android like iOS"
but a bit weary of that, wonder if things would slow down.

I have a 10 device Norton anti virus sub which allow the app free. I notice that over the years andriod gets a bashing for security on MR, so with Norton app (good reviews on Play store) should be okay.
Also been Google Play Music subscriber for 3 years
Ironically I use Bing as my default search engine on iPhone.
 

Surfer13134

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I will admit you don't know me, but I have been away from iOS for almost two years so far and see nothing to compel me to come back.

Agreed! The only thing I miss is iMessage. I did miss Facetime, However FB messenger is picking up the slack for that.
 
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