You need to look at how polls and research studies are done because both only use a very small fraction of the population but yet the results are used to predict how the public as a whole would have acted. Therefore, in this forum, looking at the number of threads and comments about the ipad, there are more members complaining about the ipad than there is supporting it, therefore the probability is that there will be a large portion of the public who care about lack of innovation than there is who do not.
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iPad Pro After releasing the new M1 iPads and WWDC Apple is a spineless and gutless company who can take us for a ride whenever they want.
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Don't be condescending - I know how polls are done. I don't buy it. Polls are a random selection of the population whereas forum members tend be enthusiasts and are not representative of the entire population of owners.
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I agree with your assessment. I think people want the iPad Pro to be a touch screen Mac so badly that they haven't accepted it to be what it is: the best tablet, period. If you are able to accept the iPP for what it is, then, like myself, you see iPadOS 15 as upgrades that make you appreciate your device that much more. It seems that far too many people are trying to make the iPad fit their own lifestyle usage, and that's where so many disappointments are occurring. I don't take a motorcycle when I need a pickup truck.
At first, iPadOS was a subpar attempt on Apple to differentiate it from iOS, but I now truly see iPadOS as its own thing and love what they're doing. I've stopped blaming Apple a long time ago for the iPad and now it's just up to the third party developers to get on track with what the iPad can do.
Here's the thing, everyone is different, and I can only speak to my posts. I found value and use for the iPad, so in a very real sense the winner is me. Yes, Apple makes a profit, but what company doesn't strive to make profits.
The joy of being a free market is, you are free to choose to buy a product or not. Don't think that the iPad is worth it, great, don't buy it. But just because you fail to see the value means its a worthless product that apple has successfully fooled people into thinking they need it. I use mine every day, and my kids do as well
As Apple users.. we are looking at the iPad in the lens of a Mac, which is unfair to the iPad. The Mac has had years upon years of refinement and revisions. With Me, I try to remove the Mac from the equation.. just judge the iPad on it’s on merit.
After sitting with iPadOS 15 a few days, I’m enjoying it. The new multitasking improvements, new keyboard shortcut layout, App Library (as much as I was indifferent to it on the iPhone), widgets (still undecided on final layout) and the new look Safari.
It does seem that way but that won't and never lasts. Look at Research in Motion (BlackBerry). They had one of the most die hard loyal fanbases in the history of technology and the got passed by with better products from other companies because they chose to be reactionary and stopped innovating. They got stuck in the past and refused to move forward until it was too late and now that company is merely a security company trying to hang on.
No company is infallible as history has shown us time and again. Apple does seemingly seem invincible, but a lot of other companies have thought that throughout history and they ended up going out of business. Apple has to keep making great products or there will come a point when someone else will make something that make people second guess their next Apple purchase.
My two cents on this post - what if Apple had put the A15X chip in this iPad? It would still cost exactly the same (Extra $100 compared to last two gens for the screen). You're getting an extremely powerful chip for the same price as the previous two generations that is definitely better. Are you able to push an iPad like you are a Mac? No! However, that's not what the iPad was designed to do. I'm slightly disappointed too, but I still think its an amazing device for the price you pay!
A hypothetical A15X would be more powerful than the M1. If Apple switches to a yearly schedule with these chips, then that would probably be equivalent to the M2.
Your example shows just how emphatically loyal and possibly guilable Apple's customers are. Research in Motion (BlackBerry) customers saw a lack of innovation going on and they hit the company where it hurts, not buying their products. The company failed to innovate, sales dropped, the product ceased. In the real world that is how it happens but Apple seem to be imune to this real world issue because even when people on forums like this complain of the lack of innovation going on with certain Apple products, people still purchase those products.
As i said before, if the above happens to any other company, production ceases or ends up out of business because customers do not purchase the products but with Apple, even when they are not innovating, people still purchase their products. It's something that has baffled experts for years. Why do people stop buying products when a company fails to innovate but when Apple does exactly the same thing, people still purchase the product!!!
Because people still like their products and at least on the tablet side, the competition is poor (I speak from experience as an owner of 6 Android tablets from multiple vendors). On the phone side where there is more competition, Apple still lags Android on overall world sales.
Probably! Either way, the first year that Apple actually tells us how much RAM you’re getting… everyone is immediately disappointedA hypothetical A15X would be more powerful than the M1. If Apple switches to a yearly schedule with these chips, then that would probably be equivalent to the M2.
I'm not sure where you draw the line between innovating and not, but I think the bigger picture with Apple isn't solely upon one product, but the ecosystem of products that only they have successfully integrated at this level of success. I used to be a Blackberry user myself. And yes, when something better came along for my one product (smartphone), I switched. But with Apple, my iPad usage is connected with my iPhone, Mac Mini, MBP, AirPods, etc...
Look at what they showed for iPadOS. It may not have been the Mac crossover that people wanted, but look how well they showed the connectivity between devices. To copy one file on an iPad and to bring it over through a MBP to an iMac? I mean, maybe a singular BlackBerry product is not the greatest comparison between what Apple is doing with its ecosystem?
How exactly is Apple not innovating?
I get the argument of there's still static apps unable to move freely on the iPhone/iPad since the introduction of the devices. But is that a reason to not buy a product because I want my apps in certain areas? Tbh, not trying to defend Apple here... but look at that Universal Control feature as @ejin222 mention... as much as I'm not interested in that feature. Name me one company that can do something like that.
You are very clearly misunderstanding not only how Apple operates, but also how normal, non-techie gadget users view Apple. If the iPad suddenly started to suck, nobody would buy it. Blackberry went down because their products sucked. Apple's products don't suck. And specifically for iPad, I'd be willing to bet that less than 5% of iPad users even know there was a keynote this week. Most just use the iPad, update whenever, and if they notice a new feature is there and find it useful, then great. If not, they're none the wiser and life goes on. They'll buy a new iPad at some point when they break their current one or the battery starts to die permanently.
This idea that Apple users are just a bunch of dumb sheep that eagerly lap up whatever Apple puts out because they've been somehow brainwashed by a dude that died 10 years ago--it's just silly and was never accurate. People will vote with their dollars if a product is not hitting the mark. Exhibit A: the original HomePod. The iPad is not the original HomePod. It's a well established product that people love. The iPad Pro is a niche fork of that product category that most Apple users don't even own. If you classify that as "lack of innovation" then it seems like you just need to ignore the iPad and use something else. The only other option is to ride it out and see what comes next. This isn't a complicated thing.
Blackberry failed not becuase they stopped innovating, they failed because someone out-innovated them and invented a new product category.
Nobody has invented this product yet.
Yep. For most, the choice is just budget, size, style, capacity and color. Then just use until it becomes too slow, storage fills up, battery goes bad, device breaks or develops some other issue. Rinse and repeat.
For the most part, the iPad's main alternatives are either cheapie Fire tablets on the low-end or Surface and other Windows 2-in-1s. There are Android tablets but they're not on most people's radar. iPad has pretty much become synonymous with tablet.
Really, it's kind of the same thing with non-techies and PCs. They just buy whatever Windows laptop/desktop is on sale that meets their requirements. Sure, those who can afford it may switch to Mac. However, most are more likely to remain on Windows than switch to Linux.
When you think about the fact that Apple sells more iPads than HP sells laptops… than Dell sells laptops… the competition isn’t tablets, it’s all mobile computers and Apple is excelling with mobile computer customers in a pretty big way.
Only half the iPads sold per year are to repeat customers. They will likely continue to sell huge numbers to folks that have never used an iPad before because that experience is what very many people TODAY prefer.
And, MacRumors isn’t even a significant percentage of the ENTIRE population of owners.
The point is rather that Apple continually resets and focuses on the “today” customers, the customers that have the longest purchase future ahead of them. I’d say that the fact that you see posts about “Apple having lost their way”, or “This isn’t the same Apple I grew up with” is PROOF of that. Apple hasn’t lost their way, they’ve found a NEW way and those folks are very likely not part of it.
Newton MessagePad.. Now that was a bit of disappointment. I gave up, eventually, on them ever getting a good synching solution with Windows productivity apps. But, I'm completely over it now!
Right--if Apple were still the Apple I personally grew up with, they'd be out of business by now. It's 2021. The competition is fierce and fast-moving. The firms that don't adapt will simply die.
Ain't that the truth. When I asked my nieces (one starting college, one starting high school) what they wanted, they both said iPad.