iPad Pro After releasing the new M1 iPads and WWDC Apple is a spineless and gutless company who can take us for a ride whenever they want.

[rkuo]

Upsell 16gb ram? You're still living in an Intel world stuck at the turn of the last century? Everything uses that ram, that's why they call it 'unified'. It's continually used, on demand; by CPU and GPU alike.

I must be imagining all the reviews and press saying the hardware is underutilized then.

 

[OnawaAfrica]

Apple showed their true colours today, the M1 iPad was nothing more than a easy marketing cash grab.

They basically gave their customers the middle finger, never seen anything more lacklustre than iOS/iPadOS 15, all that hype about the M1 and extra ram was never going to benefit us in the end.

Love my apple products, but I won’t be upgrading as often as I have in the past, it’s time apple started earning our money, leave out new features and hardware that can easily be added to new products, you won’t be getting my money from now on.

Everyone true colours eventually come out, apple showed theirs today in a BIG way.

apple has never said they gonna add extra **** to the m1 iPad neither have they ever said that the M1 iPad is gonna be sperate from the other A SoC iPads. the M1 iPad is for those who do crazy stuff with thair ipads like a thousand layers photoshop image . Yust because Apple put a M1 in the iPad Pro u expect them to make it more like a M1 Mac???

 

[NastyMatt]

Though I have tap-to-click turned on so it’s quiet, I love how solid the trackpad is. It makes the whole keyboard feel substantial, like a real, functional tool.

The backlighting during a movie is annoying and I don’t get how that isn’t a background setting—if Apple TV is open and you’re not searching, the backlights should stay off unless/until you type. It’s a feature request I’ve submitted. The only workaround I’ve found is to detach and reconnect the iPad.

My MK does auto turn off the back lighting. It does it in films plus it does it after not using it for a period of time (I am guessing 30s but not timed it).

 

[laptech]

Seriously?

This was their laziest release to date, people still defend them ?

Your forget sometimes that as far as many members in here are concerned, Apple is God and thus can do no wrong and therefore will be defended to the ends of the earth.

 

[LFC2020]

Your forget sometimes that as far as many members in here are concerned, Apple is God and thus can do no wrong and therefore will be defended to the ends of the earth.

Spot on mate.

 

[maflynn]

I just feel like the software is holding back the hardware with the iPad Pros.

I'm not going to disagree with you and i think there was a collective breath holding this past monday as people were wanting the pro apps to be displayed running on the iPad.

In all honesty, I'm thinking if using LightRoom on the iPad would be better for me then the computer. If anything its a lot easier to use the iPad when I'm traveling

 

[Michael Scrip]

There's all this talk about the iPad Pro being a letdown because it has excellent hardware, but not "pro enough" software.

Well... it's gotta be better than Android tablets that don't have stellar hardware or software...

 

[DMG35]

Seriously?

This was their laziest release to date, people still defend them ?

Someone pointed out earlier and I happen to agree with it that Apple just doesn't have any competition in the tablet space and it is causing them to be a little bit complacent. A lack of competition is really bad for us and in all honesty what we need is a competitor to step up and force Apple to really innovate with their OS. Right now there is no one and Apple knows that and its really bad for us as consumers.

 

[Wando64]

I'm not going to disagree with you and i think there was a collective breath holding this past monday as people were wanting the pro apps to be displayed running on the iPad.

In all honesty, I'm thinking if using LightRoom on the iPad would be better for me then the computer. If anything its a lot easier to use the iPad when I'm traveling

The thing though is that Pro level apps for the iPad already exist.
They might not be the ones people were hoping for, but they exist.

For example, what can you do with Lightroom that cannot be done with Affinity for iPad?

I too would love to be able to use Logic on the iPad, but I definitely would not want Logic to be dumbed down to make it function with the touch interface and the iOS file system.
I'd rather keep the full Logic app running on a Mac instead.

 

[Kylo83]

the iPad will and always will be a blown up iOS iPhone it’s nothing special

 

[maflynn]

Someone pointed out earlier and I happen to agree with it that Apple just doesn't have any competition in the tablet space and it is causing them to be a little bit complacent. A lack of competition is really bad for us and in all honesty what we need is a competitor to step up and force Apple to really innovate with their OS. Right now there is no one and Apple knows that and its really bad for us as consumers.

I don't the lack of pro apps is compliancy - I mean the amount of engineering and work to put the M1 and mini-led into the IPP shows they're really working hard to improve the iPad.

I think too many people are getting worked up because Apple didn't announce the pro apps this week. I love the idea that they split off iPadOS off on its own, and now we're starting to see the fruits of the split, i.e., better multi-tasking. Pro apps will come, just not today.

 

[DMG35]

I don't the lack of pro apps is compliancy - I mean the amount of engineering and work to put the M1 and mini-led into the IPP shows they're really working hard to improve the iPad.

I think too many people are getting worked up because Apple didn't announce the pro apps this week. I love the idea that they split off iPadOS off on its own, and now we're starting to see the fruits of the split, i.e., better multi-tasking. Pro apps will come, just not today.

Totally get your point, and I was talking more from a software perspective. I personally don't have an issue with iPadOS 15, but its to me by no means anything truly innovative over last year. These are welcomed improvements for sure but not really anything truly groundbreaking here (which I realize isn't possible to do every year).

It is hard to argue though that Apple isn't being challenged in the tablet space. I think they still make an incredible product but having a little competition in that space would only make it better.

 

[rkuo]

I don't the lack of pro apps is compliancy - I mean the amount of engineering and work to put the M1 and mini-led into the IPP shows they're really working hard to improve the iPad.

I think too many people are getting worked up because Apple didn't announce the pro apps this week. I love the idea that they split off iPadOS off on its own, and now we're starting to see the fruits of the split, i.e., better multi-tasking. Pro apps will come, just not today.

The issue is Apple hasn't come up with anything really new on the multitasking front in something like 4 years now. Split view multitasking came out of the gates feeling like a hack, and improvements to it have been dog slow and highly incremental / trivial.

It's extremely charitable at this point to think that Apple has some magical touch multitasking UI waiting in the wings that all app developers will then just have to develop for. Based on their current rate of progress, they have nothing that will come close to macOS for decades. It's not even clear if it's possible!

 

[Collywobbles]

I must be imagining all the reviews and press saying the hardware is underutilized then.

Do you mean the idiots who have to be critical in order to try and remain relevant? Talk to EA, Adobe, and a few others about hardware utilization.

 

[Hicksmat1976]

stop buying it and then give apple something to think about. innovation died at apple the same time as Steve did.

 

[Ludatyk]

The issue is Apple hasn't come up with anything really new on the multitasking front in something like 4 years now. Split view multitasking came out of the gates feeling like a hack, and improvements to it have been dog slow and highly incremental / trivial.

What exactly are you looking for with multitasking?

While using iPadOS 15… I like the new multitasking features, shelf for windows… ability to make App Pairing in the App Switcher, um.. the 3 dot menu at the top of each apps. But my only issue.. which I hope they address for iPadOS 16, give users the ability to not be dependent on an app in fullscreen in order to use SlideOver.

For example… let SlideOver stand on its own. Although it might seem odd to have a small window open without seeing anything else. I just rather have that option. I think SlideOver and SplitView are here to stay, it’s all about trying to see how Apple can improve over those features.

 

[gadgetfreak98]

I decided that I am going to return my M1 iPad. Sure, the screen is beautiful, but I was hoping for more new capabilities that would make the M1 experiences potentially materially different from that of my 2018 iPad Pro.

I have really enjoyed CenterStage, which is super cool and genuinely useful. I have also enjoyed the improved screen, but as it stands I'm not getting massive day-to-day improvements in doing my work.

I will be prepared to re-purchase the device if and when there is justification to do so -- and they seem to be in stock at my local Apple Stores. But from what I can tell, everything coming in iOS 15 will also come to my device. I'm sure with time, my beloved 2018 will finally start to feel old. But I'll put the $2k back in my account for now. I'm sure I'll be back in due course, though...

By the way, I may be disappointed that there isn't more good stuff here. But it's my choice to buy the device or not, so not throwing shade on anyone -- Apple or otherwise. Happy to have the right to return it -- sorry for those outside the window though if they too wanted to return.

Update: I returned the iPad yesterday. I gave myself a couple days to reacclimatize to my 2018, which was fine. I also saw that the 1TB/16GB was in stock at most of my local Apple Stores. So I will be ready to pull the trigger again if and when the features on the M1 distinguish themselves.

Just glad I hadn’t chosen to trade my old one in yet!

And by the way, this is no knock on the M1. Clearly a remarkable machine. It’s more a statement that the 2018 was so good that I couldn’t justify the upgrade for my use case (document markups, MS office, email, internet, etc.). It also feels like the limitations of iPadOS means it is like we are driving these exotic machines in a neighborhood with a 25mph/40kmph speed limit. They are capable of so much more and it does not matter that the M1 can go 200mph if my 2018 easily handles 150. We are still stuck at 25 max. That will change — but not yet it seems.

 

[laptech]

Someone pointed out earlier and I happen to agree with it that Apple just doesn't have any competition in the tablet space and it is causing them to be a little bit complacent. A lack of competition is really bad for us and in all honesty what we need is a competitor to step up and force Apple to really innovate with their OS. Right now there is no one and Apple knows that and its really bad for us as consumers.

Apple can be complacent with regards to anything they do because they know their customer base is extremely loyal. They know their loyal customer base will keep on buying Apple products regardless of what faults or delays or lack of occurs. Apple seems to be the only consumer company in the world who can get away with it.

When a consumer is unhappy with a companies product say due to lack of updates or innovation, the usual course of action is not purchase that companies product in the hope sales drop and they are forced to action. This has happened time and time again with clothing companies, footwear companies, car companies, toy companies and they take immediate action when they see customers are not purchasing their products because the consumer is not happy with the way things are being done. This never seems to happen with Apple. Even now people are complaining about lack of innovation in the ipad and the OS but yet people are still buying the ipad. If people keep buying the ipad knowing there is a lack of innovation involved, why should Apple find a need to innovate something that people are still happy to purchase.

If people stopped buying ipads, sales would take a hit and that means less money being taken and a reduction in money would cause Apple to react but that is never going to happen and Apple know it because they know their customer base will still by their products, lack of inovations, faults and all.

 

[Rodan52]

I'm still looking forward to updating my 2015 13" MBPr with a 2021-22 14" MBP with the rumoured Butterfly Keyboard, no Touch Bar, one USB3 port (plus the 2 USB-C ports) and MagLock charging port. We'll see, I guess.

 

[Isengardtom]

What exactly are you looking for with multitasking?

While using iPadOS 15… I like the new multitasking features, shelf for windows… ability to make App Pairing in the App Switcher, um.. the 3 dot menu at the top of each apps. But my only issue.. which I hope they address for iPadOS 16, give users the ability to not be dependent on an app in fullscreen in order to use SlideOver.

For example… let SlideOver stand on its own. Although it might seem odd to have a small window open without seeing anything else. I just rather have that option. I think SlideOver and SplitView are here to stay, it’s all about trying to see how Apple can improve over those features.

I actually don’t mind the current multi tasking options with iPadOS 15. What would maybe be nice is the ability to make the slide over windows wider. Basically stretch them the way you can adjust split view windows
(1/3 - 50% - 2/3)

 

[thefourthpope]

My MK does auto turn off the back lighting. It does it in films plus it does it after not using it for a period of time (I am guessing 30s but not timed it).

Mine does as well. I just wish the backlight were disabled when watching a film, until I type something. It’s for times when I tap the trackpad to see how much time is left, things like that.

Let me be clear that this is nothing more than a minor annoyance. But it’s also one of those little things that I think Apple used to do so well.

 

[thefourthpope]

What exactly are you looking for with multitasking?

While using iPadOS 15… I like the new multitasking features, shelf for windows… ability to make App Pairing in the App Switcher, um.. the 3 dot menu at the top of each apps. But my only issue.. which I hope they address for iPadOS 16, give users the ability to not be dependent on an app in fullscreen in order to use SlideOver.

For example… let SlideOver stand on its own. Although it might seem odd to have a small window open without seeing anything else. I just rather have that option. I think SlideOver and SplitView are here to stay, it’s all about trying to see how Apple can improve over those features.

This is a great idea and would be a leap ahead of widgets. Slide over needs more love. It could be tricky on the Home Screen when using just a finger (right now pull from the right loads the second homepage, from the top right gets control center, and bottom right is now Quick Note) but with MK attached it could be the same push the cursor to the right side.

I’ve only watched the iPadOS 15 videos so haven’t played with the new features at all. Slide over has always confounded me because apps so frequently get moved out of there by the system when they enter full screen. There are like four or five apps that I just always want available in slide over. For me that’s messages, music/sonos, fantastical, todoist. It frustrates me when they get removed automatically.

 

[sparksd]

Apple can be complacent with regards to anything they do because they know their customer base is extremely loyal. They know their loyal customer base will keep on buying Apple products regardless of what faults or delays or lack of occurs. Apple seems to be the only consumer company in the world who can get away with it.

When a consumer is unhappy with a companies product say due to lack of updates or innovation, the usual course of action is not purchase that companies product in the hope sales drop and they are forced to action. This has happened time and time again with clothing companies, footwear companies, car companies, toy companies and they take immediate action when they see customers are not purchasing their products because the consumer is not happy with the way things are being done. This never seems to happen with Apple. Even now people are complaining about lack of innovation in the ipad and the OS but yet people are still buying the ipad. If people keep buying the ipad knowing there is a lack of innovation involved, why should Apple find a need to innovate something that people are still happy to purchase.

If people stopped buying ipads, sales would take a hit and that means less money being taken and a reduction in money would cause Apple to react but that is never going to happen and Apple know it because they know their customer base will still by their products, lack of inovations, faults and all.

What percentage of the overall user community cares about the kinds of innovations talked about in these forums? I'd say the majority of iPad users I know could care less and they will continue to purchase.

 

[krspkbl]

Apple is a multi trillion dollar company.

Take a second to think why that is. Really think about it and then you'll realise you only have yourself to blame if you're disappointed.

edit: for those who can't think for themselves. with the M1 iPad Apple saved and made themself A LOT of money. saved money by not creating an entirely new SoC just for iPad and more importantly made a lot of money from people who will blindly buy an Apple product and specifically one that has a higher number (8vs16) just to brag about it.

it's these kind of decisions that got them where they are.

 

[Ludatyk]

I actually don’t mind the current multi tasking options with iPadOS 15. What would maybe be nice is the ability to make the slide over windows wider. Basically stretch them the way you can adjust split view windows
(1/3 - 50% - 2/3)

Tbh, that defeats the purpose of using SlideOver with no full screen app displayed. Once you get to the point in making SlideOver wider, you should just go ahead and find another app to make into SplitView.

I’ve only watched the iPadOS 15 videos so haven’t played with the new features at all. Slide over has always confounded me because apps so frequently get moved out of there by the system when they enter full screen. There are like four or five apps that I just always want available in slide over. For me that’s messages, music/sonos, fantastical, todoist. It frustrates me when they get removed automatically.

Yeah, I keep certain apps in SlideOver… I believe Apple should allow me to keep those apps in SlideOver without changing anything. That would be a huge improvement for multitasking, perhaps would solve the issue of customers demanding floating windows.

However, it would beg the question… why can we have multiple SlideOver windows displayed? And I know that’s not possible.. because of how the (SlideOver) AppSwitcher is implemented. But IMO, I just rather SlideOver stand on it’s own.