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Dave245

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I'm surprised by the amount of reviews and videos posted about these in September. Apple gave out a few samples to media for a few days as if these were supposed to launch with the iPhone 7...

I'm warming up to the idea though if sound quality is "incredible" as Jony Ive said.

I think Apple have probably delayed them to iron out some problems after hearing feedback from those early reviewers. From what i've read it's the W1 chip that makes them great, connecting to the iPhone is suppose to be really easy as well.
 

AppleRobert

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I think Apple have probably delayed them to iron out some problems after hearing feedback from those early reviewers. From what i've read it's the W1 chip that makes them great, connecting to the iPhone is suppose to be really easy as well.

It is only a matter of a few seconds that my Beats Solo 3 wireless connects to my iPhone when I power them on. Loving that.
 

Dave245

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It is only a matter of a few seconds that my Beats Solo 3 wireless connects to my iPhone when I power them on. Loving that.

That's the point, i think Apple did give a reason to remove the headphone jack. They have improved their Beats line with the Solo 3 and Beats X. Their AirPods will probably be the same. I think the whole headphone jack thing won't be an issue for most people this time next year. They will either have the AirPods, Beats or other wireless headphones.

By the way are the Beats Solo 3 wireless worth it?
 

AppleRobert

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That's the point, i think Apple did give a reason to remove the headphone jack. They have improved their Beats line with the Solo 3 and Beats X. Their AirPods will probably be the same. I think the whole headphone jack thing won't be an issue for most people this time next year. They will either have the AirPods, Beats or other wireless headphones.

By the way are the Beats Solo 3 wireless worth it?

On sale at Costco which I got BB to price match about two weeks ago. I returned them when I first bought them when they were full price about 1 1/2 months ago. The sale price was $225, much better. Are they a keeper? Time will tell but so far so good though I want to check out the Airpods before I decide.

Good isolation, good sound, very good range and quick connection. And the bass is toned down versus other Beats products. They are a bit snug but better than the first set I had.
 
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Ghost31

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All I have to do is sit back and wait. Sooner... Or later... What I said will come to light.

I'm going to be quiet for now. But after Christmas, after January 1st. Then I'll come back... Don't go anywhere. Don't try to hide... Because I'll be coming back to say...


I told you so. Hahahaaa
You must have a remarkable life to care enough about being right in online arguments to come back and angrily say "I told you so". Yeah. Have fun with that buddy. Anything else you'd like to argue about today? I think this thread might be taking up all the time you could be using to tell kids on Xbox live that you slept with their mothers
 

Dave245

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You must have a remarkable life to care enough about being right in online arguments to come back and angrily say "I told you so". Yeah. Have fun with that buddy. Anything else you'd like to argue about today? I think this thread might be taking up all the time you could be using to tell kids on Xbox live that you slept with their mothers

The thing that gets me, is that they obviously can't tell the difference between cancelled and delayed. To say Apple cancelled the Airpods without any evidence or Apple saying the complete opposite, is just downright laughable.
 
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Canyonero

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Typically Cook has a league of advisors who assist in his daily E-mails and a reply directly from him is unlikely, but possible. Also, excellent point,@Canyonero misquoted there own post, it's not "Two weeks", it's weeks as You mentioned.

I asked if it's going to be a month or six months. If it was more than 2-3 weeks, he would have said a month.
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Are you expecting us to take that seriously? because i think the majority of us don't. If that was genuinely from Tim Cook, why wouldn't the email show Tim's email address for a start.

Wow. [SNIP] The Apple Mail app looks like that, if you've never noticed. Does this satisfy you [SNIP]:


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Konsta,

Thanks for your note. Sorry for the delay---we are finalizing them and I anticipate we will begin to ship over the next few weeks.

Tim

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> On Nov 29, 2016, at 8:17 AM, Konsta xxxxxxx <xxxxx.xxxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Give us a release date. I really bought in to the wireless vision you painted. Now I'm stuck waiting with my EarPods but can't charge my 7 at the same time which I need to do at work. Let us know if it's a month or 6 months, because then I'll just buy some other wireless headphones.
>
> Konsta
 
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Dave245

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I asked if it's going to be a month or six months. If it was more than 2-3 weeks, he would have said a month.
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Wow. Way to be an *******. The Apple Mail app looks like that, if you've never noticed. Does this satisfy you :

If genuine then I apologise, but you have to be cynical on the forum, with the amount of people that have claimed certain things that have turned out to be false requires the cynicism. Also the thread itself with it's original name got me cynical. I do hope we start seeing the Airpods soon tho, I want to order some.
 
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KittyKatta

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My conspiracy theory is that they're waiting until the extended holiday return policy ends.

They're going to sell out regardless, so why sell now to people who may end up returning it in a 6 week window when they can just sell it on January where people will have a 2wk window and likely keep it.

Yes. Its a dumb theory but I just can't understand why reviewers got review units back when the 7's launched and it worked fine. But here we are months later and not a single word out of Apple about their "wireless future".
 

AppleRobert

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My conspiracy theory is that they're waiting until the extended holiday return policy ends.

They're going to sell out regardless, so why sell now to people who may end up returning it in a 6 week window when they can just sell it on January where people will have a 2wk window and likely keep it.

Yes. Its a dumb theory but I just can't understand why reviewers got review units back when the 7's launched and it worked fine. But here we are months later and not a single word out of Apple about their "wireless future".

Believe me I thought about that holiday return period and folks getting them to try for six weeks.

Yeah, no theory is outrageous at this point.

Btw, I am at an Apple store now typing this. The holiday display pictures are up on the walls, none for the Airpods so ....
 
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AppleRobert

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And I would not be surprised if there is no release date announced and they just showed up. Better that way than to miss a date and have folks up in arms even more.
 

Korican100

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Would have rolled even more though if a problem was detected by buyers afterward (like Samsung). :)

But is this what Apple is doing now? Touting amazing products to supplement their revolutionary iPhone changes, then completely blundering the release coordination?
They couldn't get it right for Airpods or BeatsX. Just weird of Apple to do that.
 

AppleRobert

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But is this what Apple is doing now? Touting amazing products to supplement their revolutionary iPhone changes, then completely blundering the release coordination?
They couldn't get it right for Airpods or BeatsX. Just weird of Apple to do that.

While we got a set of lightning connector earbuds with the new iPhone, what did folks get buying the Moto Z with no ear/headphone connection at all? :)
 

chriscrowlee

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But is this what Apple is doing now? Touting amazing products to supplement their revolutionary iPhone changes, then completely blundering the release coordination?
They couldn't get it right for Airpods or BeatsX. Just weird of Apple to do that.

It would have been unusual 5 years ago, but now it's the new norm.

2014 - Best Buy had 12" Macbook before Apple Store had a single unit

2015 - Apple "pencil" took months longer than promised to hit the shelves

2015 - Apple Watch delayed 2 months

2016 - Best Buy had 2016 tbMBP on the shelves before many people in first round got their pre-order

2016 - I got my MBP at BBY before any local Apple Store had a unit in stock

2016 - Airpods delayed 1... 2... 3 months and counting?

2016 - Beats X delayed indefinitely

2016 - Single sign on for cable providers promised in September... still waiting in December

2016 - Countless features promised, never delivered

Do you see a trend here? Apple has become a mess. Not sure what's going on over there. Part of me wonders if they've shifted from consumer driven design and utility to bottom line. That didn't work very well for MSFT from 2003-2014, and they're just now digging out of the hole. It took them 10 years and the only reason they've been able to dig out is they have 90% of the world market. Apple can't say the same.

It seems they're spending money on a new corporate campus, and political causes, and products that look great but don't function, or function well but don't look great (maybe why some of these delays\blunders - pencil, watch, headphones, magic mouse, iphone battery case, apple TV, etc). Instead maybe they should be focusing on the basics. Delivering a best-in-industry, innovative product like they used to... lightning? Sleep light? Apple logo? New technologies, etc.

I know many Apple employees, and they say there is zero communication between departments, and often they feel as if there is no strategy of working together towards a common goal. That's DISASTER for a company like Apple. Just look at their job boards and the titles of the positions they hire for. They've become the government of the computer industry while the joke of the party (Microsoft) is taking back their lunch and eating it. Sad to see how it went from such momentum, to such stagnation in so short time.
 

profmjh

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I heard Santa was promised a pair so he could rock them during his xmas deliveries.

Do you really think Santa is going to risk wearing AirPods while riding a reindeer-drawn sleigh through mid-air? There's no way they'd stay in.

He's not an idiot, you know.
 
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